Thargoid Map Theory

[Ned Flandalorian]

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Since the topic came up today in another thread as a tangent...
... has any progress been made on this one?

It's all been solved a long time ago.

The "bottom" grid planet is the "source" where you put a probe, sensor and link into a thargoid machine and get two or three unknown messages.
When you play each of these messages in space with a link nearby, it will play chirps that decode into 3 distance measurements (shown by the "((" symbols) to a fourth location (the "top" grid planet, although it's really a system). The three distances combined are used to triangulate the destination.

 

[Kayvan]

Okay then, if it's been solved, which system does it point to?
I've been googling but with no success.

 

[Ned Flandalorian]

The "map" is just a key showing how to use the three items. It's generic instructions.

The structures are what point to individual systems, via the unknown messages you get when you activate the machine in them.
Some of them point to other structures (both active and inactive), some point to human systems that once were attacked, some point to other systems relevant to the thargoid storyline (e.g. barnacles or eagle eye). But they all seem to be "stuck" - the locations pointed to by each structure have not changed in several years, even with the events of HIP 22460 and the Titans arriving.

I guess you could say in a way, the map points to COL 70 FY-N c21-3 since that was the "unknown" system shown on the right being used for triangulation.

(This could even all be irrelevant now, since the map isn't even in the game any more - the audio that produced it when you scan the thargoid machine no longer plays.)

 

[Yure]

bump
Since the topic came up today in another thread as a tangent...
... has any progress been made on this one?

Note: first time I'm really looking at this, so pardon me please if some of my assumptions and questions seem daft.

Just from looking at it, I wouldn't associate the 1 - 2 - 3 binary code (if it's that) with a distance. Can't be sure, but I would think that it's a numbering of the steps.

Now the ((( and (( I would interpret as units of distance -- maybe the amount of "standard thargoid hyperspace jumps"?

What are the theories what the grid circles at the bottom and top mean? Two separate systems; one of them maybe the Thargoid homeworld? Then what is the other one?
And what about the "centre" of the map? Does that denote HIP 14909, the place of the map room? Would make sense to me.

If that's correct, we'd be looking for 1 system that is both 3 "jumps" away from both Merope and COL 70 SECTOR FY-N c21-3, and HIP 14909.
and another 1 system that is 2 "jumps" away from each these 3 systems.
(Where "jumps" can mean any unit of distance)

That shouldn't be too difficult to triangulate, if it's geometrically possible at all.

Hey man, its cool you are taking an interest in this. While yes, most people believe the Thargoid Probe, and Link have been full solved. Not all of us believe that. But we are at a standstill. So if you are interested in just doing a peer review on the issue, I would highly encourage it. In the Canonn website we have instructions on how to trasnlate the Thargoid Probe. What is particular about the Probe is that it points to Merope 5c.... we have zero idea why. Some people have said that it is because it is where the first barnacle was found. Except barnacles don't make a planet special. Someone pointed that out and Michael Brooks state that that was good thinking.

If you do a spectrograph of the probe instead of relying on the player drawn version you will also notice other "images" which some people like to claim that they are echoes. Which they might be. I don't think they are because those echoes don't look exactly like the things in the image. Also if you take a spectrograph of the Thargoid link you will notice that some of those same "images" appear, despite the main image being different.

I highly encourage anyone that wants to review and re-theorize. For the record, I am not saying that what is known is wrong. All I am saying is that there is plausibly more.

 

[Vurrath]

not seeing where you got the numbers from,
and if it's a claimed cracking of their code, i would be doubtful it is as cracked as some claim. When you're starting to decrypt/crack something, and you only have a small number of discoveries that do-correllate, do check out to-seem to match the theory, not only can you turn out to be wrong about WHY it matched, but you are still with mostly an incomplete picture

By memory, the communication networks messages followed used Blackflight? neo-INRA? Azimuth? someone's sorry i forget for the moment,.. ongoing monitoring and tracing of thargoid stuff throughout the galaxy,.. with pre-existing HUMAN measurements of time & distance,..

... so while many of the messages and locations times, dates, and locations SEEM to be well-measured and using reliable numbers,

i don't think any? actually used any thargoid-numbers-SYSTEMS, if that is indeed what we're looking at, FROM, anything written in tharg symbolisms.

so in other words, i don't think we've TESTED what we THINK we know, of their characters.



The DIRECTION, and timING, of the signals to merope, was calculated by someone manually, wasn't it?

i.e. one could've done that with ANY numbers/symbols system/alphabet.

I don't think we USED tharg numbers/symbols/letters, to track down Merope. It was some weird directional anomoly with the systems-scanner, wasn't it?

like when the early "noise" of the maelstroms while they were en-route, caused a weird twisty-distorted sound?

prrrrrety sure.

 

[Vurrath]

Personally/instinctively, I think we should be speculating on it's INTUITIVE aspects.

i.e. it looks simplified, with automation working out distances bio-organically, if we can assume that they SUBLIMATE automation of things like their equivalent of computer-programs that measure space, time, whatever,
then it could be that a lot of their systems are interpreting the operator's desire/thought relative to already programmed to be recognised objectivities ,

i.e. already neurally or brainwave or something,.. INTEGRATED,.. and so the bio-mechanical responses to conscious desires, ends up being whichever machine in Q.s sort of ... best-efforts to match the operator's desire, with it's capacities?

have i lost you?



I'm saying that, because if the individual thargoid operator might not need to keep in mind details like LYs, LSs, and similar,.. that they might have such a intuitivly-GROWN, literally, system, that things like computational distance are well & truly so-integrated within-the-whole ... as mad as it might seem ... that they do not bother to write it down / have it displayed all over the place, like we do.

Having said that, ordering might still be useful in terms of conscious planning, especially if need-to-know intelligence / orders from their queens, are not STORED inamongst their client/slave bio-systems.

so literally, the difference between 1, 2, 3,... and 1st, 2nd, 3rd...

or perhaps variations on little differences like that ;

last, 2nd-last, 3rd last ( and the first character does not SEEM numeric? )

 

[Vurrath]

Like if you will... something out of Star Trek - instinct, indirectly fusing, combining, with conscious control of the craft, when it comes to things beyond local-perception/conceptualization - meaning,.. that one can conceive, of a solar system, but as the SCALE of the universe gets larger and larger, you need more and more experience, to be able to consciously create a MENTAL MAP of it. look them up, if you don't know what a mental-map is ... so if you presume that for a moment, i see no reason to assume that one particular terminal system, would necessarily NEED small details like numbers - if it is already seamlessly designed to work with bio-organic circuitry, putting pressure on the organism, INSTEAD of relying on bio-cybernetics,.. errr bio-mechanical sort of cross-over,.. of what we would call cybernetics,.. then it is liekly incredibly well TUNED, you might say, to the operator. That is, instead of needing to depend, on cybernetics, to convert/export conscious desire INTO something a computer can understand and interpret.

so to dramatise that,.. if you THOUGHT about wanting to go somewhere, something in your head, that could translate, convert that, into data that a system you're plugged into, in cybernetics,.. requires stuff in your head, to be installed / configured, yeah?

Well in advanced bio-mechanical tech like the thargoids have, the much larger system, can perhaps more easily/efficiently, interpret natural thought/signals, withOUT much cybernetics , if any at all, or whatever their equivalent is.

OK, Vurrath, what are you saying that again?

OK,.. ... i'm saying it, because if their communication is also already adjusted to the efficiencies OF-that,

then they would likely have no NEED,.. for consciously needing to input / or perhaps even remember, DETAILS,
of systems beyond their identifiers - names of systems, catalogue number of them,.. whatever.

So what i'm saying is,.. although no doubt their ships/motherships have all kinds of integrated bio-encoding to process numbers and whatever else, names, details of planets, whatever,

CONSCIOUS number-/calculation- -handling, should not be assumed.

We're talking about a sentient bio-circuitry advanced civ, that has been going around for literally MILLIONS of years,
not just a few thousand.

I'd say THAT's a reason to be hesitant to assume ANYthing, of numbers NOR the equivalent of letters of alphabets,
at ALL.

They might have a kind of legacy/backup communication memory in terms of their biological origins, that is sort of antiquated / matured-OVER,
but that's no reason to assume that their SHIPS, which are grown moreso? than designed, you might say,
were ever designed to RELY, on pardon the rudeness, 'human-error' .... 'thargoid-operator error'

if you had millions of years to tweak and re-tune, and re-sensitivize your ships systems,
woudnt you 'make it as hassle-free, as possible, so you can get back to your insect orgies and whatnot?
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[Vurrath]

potentials of reconciliation aside,

the globular, smooth shape in the symbols denoting something on interceptors, could correspond with deployment regimentation - Galatic ARMS, seems obvious to me - the interstellar gases that accumulate from Galaxial rotation / distortions, and arguably facilitate the only connective structure that galaxies can be argued to have,.. and-so also therefore something that defines,.. delimits,.. SPACE, within galaxies?

i remember reading that somewhere in a sci-fi novel or something.

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as in ... it's only the lines on a football field, that stop players from running ANYwhere outside it. perhaps there's some indirect reason for PROPORTIONISING deployments of spacecraft based on what occurs in or near, or perhaps outside of, galatic-arms?

nebulae accumulations? free-floating mineral/metal / other resources?

simple visibility?
( i.e. they can monitor what goes on OUTside of galactic spiral arms, but their long range sensors get blurring / interference inside galactic arms? )

 

[Vurrath]

if THOSE were correllated with where the local galaxial arms ARE,.. in our Galaxy, we might discover something too - the Ram Tah research in Guardian records OF thargoids, is itself a million? 3 million? years old, so it's quite ludicrous to assume that records that old, are neccessarily still current.

it could be the entierly new deployments, breakaway social structure, and who knows, completely UNlike the social structure at the TIME, new social order exists within thargoids.

It's a big part of the reasoning for the thargoid peace projects / squadrons / PMFs.