General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Fighting wave of misinfo, YouTube bans false vaccine claims

Video-sharing platform YouTube has announced sweeping and immediate bans on false claims that vaccines are dangerous and cause health issues like autism, cancer or infertility.

apnews.com

Seems a bit late. Damage already done.

 

[Stigbob]

Fighting wave of misinfo, YouTube bans false vaccine claims

Video-sharing platform YouTube has announced sweeping and immediate bans on false claims that vaccines are dangerous and cause health issues like autism, cancer or infertility.

apnews.com

Seems a bit late. Damage already done.

The far right have been getting booted from YouTube for a while now, given all the crossover with anti-vaxxers it was already happening. They already have a new home on the internet anyway.

Parler is rife with misinformation, including a stream of baseless allegations of voter fraud. The platform has become a hub of Trump-backed conspiracy theories casting doubt on the election of President-elect Biden. Accounts with swastikas as their profile pictures and disgusting racist posts are not hard to come by on Parler. Members of the Proud Boys, adherents of conspiracy theory QAnon, anti-government extremists and white supremacists all openly promote their views on Parler, according to an ADL report.
"Holocaust denial, antisemitism, racism and other forms of bigotry are also easy to find," the ADL said.

Parler: Everything you need to know about the banned conservative social media platform

Parler, the alternative social network popular with conservatives, has been banned by Apple, Google and Amazon.

edition.cnn.com

 

[Stigbob]

Anti-vaxxers are circulating fake vaccination consent forms around schools in the UK. The anti-vaxxers claim to want to protect children whilst deliberately trying to put them at risk. This is worse than the anti-vax posters with razorblades on the back.

Here's an article debunking all the claims in it :

MSN

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Don't have the patience for this nonsense.

Health workers once saluted as heroes now get threats

Health care workers who were once saluted for saving lives in the COVID-19 outbreak are now being issued panic buttons and ditching their scrubs before going out in public to avoid harassment.

apnews.com

If stuck in such a backward place, I'd simply go do something else and let the problem self correct.

Edit:
Found a quote to help with this.

“What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People really need help but may attack you if you do help them. Help people anyway. Give the world the best you have and you’ll get kicked in the teeth. Give the world the best you have anyway.”

-Dan Mazzola, fitness guy.

 

[metatheurgist]

I honestly think healthcare workers should be making a register and denying care to those idiots.

 

[Wotthe Dickens]

Who gets paid most in our societies?
Who gets paid least?
Seems topsy-turvy to me.

 

[Stigbob]

I honestly think healthcare workers should be making a register and denying care to those idiots.

To quote James O'Brien "compassion for the conned, contempt for the conmen".

It's a struggle though.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Vox ran a piece on understanding antivaxer behaviour.

“For these folks, facts mean nothing; membership and identity, everything,” Bernstein said over email. “Groupishness, in-/out-group differentiation ... is much stronger on the right.”

While the psychology might be accurate, there's no mention of the underlying structural abnormality needed to deny reality, poison yourself, and treat out-groups as a mortal threat while ignoring and dying en masse from the actual threat.

We can't make any headway (pun intended) until that is addressed honestly. In the meantime they need training wheels( ICU's) to stay upright because tribalism is not logic and it has no answers at all, just anger and incompetence. Classic example is Alex Jones, the antivaxxer, now losing a third straight court case for failing to provide documentation: the hallmark of the make-believe angry fraud that characterizes the movement.

 

[metatheurgist]

Apparently, just before being hooked up to life support is too late for the vaccine, whoda thunk.

Victoria records 1220 new Covid-19 cases overnight, three dead

A Melbourne nurse has described patients “begging” for the coronavirus vaccine when they’re about to be put on life support as Victoria considers whether to fly in help from interstate.

www.news.com.au

And being 30, a fit tradesman with no history of medical problems doesn't mean jack to a virus. Again, whoda thunk?

Oh, right facts and science!

 

[Stigbob]

Vox ran a piece on understanding antivaxer behaviour.

While the psychology might be accurate, there's no mention of the underlying structural abnormality needed to deny reality, poison yourself, and treat out-groups as a mortal threat while ignoring and dying en masse from the actual threat.

We can't make any headway (pun intended) until that is addressed honestly. In the meantime they need training wheels( ICU's) to stay upright because tribalism is not logic and it has no answers at all, just anger and incompetence. Classic example is Alex Jones, the antivaxxer, now losing a third straight court case for failing to provide documentation: the hallmark of the make-believe angry fraud that characterizes the movement.

The law suits were about him pushing the Sandy Hook "truther" conspiracies. Here's a programme on the effect they had on the bereaved families.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczrIkBGD3M&t=7s&ab_channel=Newsy

 

[Stigbob]

Classic example is Alex Jones, the antivaxxer, now losing a third straight court case for failing to provide documentation: the hallmark of the make-believe angry fraud that characterizes the movement.

Anyone who wants to hear Alex Jones wiggle here's a podcast from three years ago (funny and worth a listen) dedicated to debunking him analysing his Sandy Hook court deposition (episode 279 ) :

#279: Formulaic Objections

<p>Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the recent deposition that Alex Jones had to give in his Sandy Hook lawsuit. Does Alex admit he still thinks there's something fishy about Sandy Hook? Does Alex's lawyer pick a fight with opposing council as a distraction? Does Alex accidentally reveal that he...

player.fm

And here's an interview with the prosecutor from the same case and podcast a few days ago after he was found guilty (episode 602) :

#602: Sandy Hook Response

<p>Today, Dan and Jordan discuss Alex Jones' response to the news that he lost multiple court cases. Also, the gents chat with Mark Bankston, lead counsel for the Sandy Hook family members who sued Alex.</p>

player.fm

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Drugs didn’t help her depression. Brain-zapping did

For decades, scientists have unsuccessfully tried to prove that zapping the brain can treat depression. The results of an ongoing deep brain stimulation trial hint that it could work

www.wired.co.uk

Brain implant successfully corrects depression, first time reported. Eliminating risk of self harm by suicidal impulse.
Getting closer to solving other brain dysfunction everyday.

There's one for memory .

Memory-boosting brain implants are in the works. Would you get one?

Neural prostheses look promising in new studies, though there's still a lot of work to do.

www.nbcnews.com

And one for Parkinsonism, OCD and epilepsy.

Only a matter of time before we can fix the impulse to drink poison, huff deadly gas, inject bleach, or surrender to plagues instead of doing the obvious. . Looking forward to the day they can finally fix stupid.

 

[Stigbob]

Talking of trying to fix stupid :

"The COVID-19 patient's health was deteriorating quickly at a Michigan hospital, but he was having none of the doctor's diagnosis. Despite dangerously low oxygen levels, the unvaccinated man didn't think he was that sick and got so irate over a hospital policy forbidding his wife from being at his bedside that he threatened to walk out of the building.

Dr. Matthew Trunsky didn’t hold back in his response: “You are welcome to leave, but you will be dead before you get to your car,’” he said.

Doctors grow frustrated over COVID-19 denial, misinformation

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Facebook is down.
Many lives may be saved.

Edit:

BuzzFeed News has reached out to Facebook to ask if they have tried turning it off and on again.

 

[Stigbob]

Facebook is down.
Many lives may be saved.

Edit:

I may have listened to too much Alex Jones because I immediately thought of the recent whistleblower exposing them as very naughty indeed triggering backlash.

Facebook whistleblower says company incentivizes "angry, polarizing, divisive content"

An internal Facebook study obtained by 60 Minutes stated: "The current set of financial incentives our algorithms create does not appear to be aligned with our mission."

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Stigbob]

Somehow it always gets worse.

Jeffrey Burnham, the Cumberland man charged with killing his brother, sister-in-law and an elderly family friend, allegedly wanted to confront his brother Brian Robinette, a pharmacist, because he believed the government is “poisoning people with COVID vaccines,”

Jeffrey Burnham, Maryland Man Charged In 3 Murders, Believed His Brother Was 'Killing People With the COVID Shot'

Jeffrey Burnham, the Cumberland man charged with killing his brother, sister-in-law and an elderly family friend, allegedly wanted to confront his brother Brian Robinette, a pharmacist, because he believed the government is "poisoning people with COVID vaccines."

baltimore.cbslocal.com

 

[metatheurgist]

I wonder if there's grounds for a class action to prosecute people spreading misinformation.

 

[Stigbob]

I wonder if there's grounds for a class action to prosecute people spreading misinformation.

Unfortunately there's a lot of money to be made in the conspiracy theory industry "Muh first amendment right is to spread dangerous gubbins whist scamming people to buy prepper stuff from my online store or my book or vote for/do something demonstrably insane."

We might see some progress since Facebook have had the whistle blown on them for destabilising democracy. It doesn't get much worse than that in terms of dangerous outcomes.

Facebook harms children and is damaging democracy, claims whistleblower

Frances Haugen says in congressional testimony Facebook puts ‘astronomical profits before people’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sunyavadin]

Unfortunately there's a lot of money to be made in the conspiracy theory industry "Muh first amendment right is to spread dangerous gubbins whist scamming people to buy prepper stuff from my online store or my book or vote for/do something demonstrably insane."

We might see some progress since Facebook have had the whistle blown on them for destabilising democracy. It doesn't get much worse than that in terms of dangerous outcomes.

Facebook harms children and is damaging democracy, claims whistleblower

Frances Haugen says in congressional testimony Facebook puts ‘astronomical profits before people’

www.theguardian.com

Unfortunately, all the "solutions" being proposed immediately by every single senator there are literally word for word the regulation Facebook wants in order to cement itself as the only business with enough money to meet the compliance demands.

 

[shreddog]

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We might see some progress since Facebook have had the whistle blown on them for destabilising democracy. It doesn't get much worse than that in terms of dangerous outcomes.

"Whistleblower"