General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

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The Prime Minister is reportedly considering throwing England back into the same restrictions imposed last spring - where indoor hospitality was banned, according to the Sun. It emerged a day after Mr Johnson appeared to rule out any more restrictions before Christmas.

But he warned things were "finely balanced" amid a surge in the number of cases of the Omicron Covid variant.

There has already been widespread disquiet in the Conservative Party over the prospect of restrictions.

Earlier this month more than 100 backbench Tory MPs rebelled against the Government's Plan B - forcing it to rely on Labour's backing to pass the bill.

In an effort to stave off more humiliation, Mr Johnson has reportedly dispatched top doctor Sir Patrick Vallance to brief MPs on the dangers of Omicron in an apparent effort to persuade any thinking of against opposing the introduction of more measures.
 
Unfortunately there's a tendency to delay acting until after the impacts that were predicted have already begun to become visible. Had we followed SAGE's advice and gone into a week-long lockdown from the 14th, we'd have reset the clock to a degree on its spread, and had more time to implement measures post-xmas for keeping it under control. As it is, they're not going to act until we can already see the consequences, a few weeks on, of the current spike in cases, in hospitalisations and deaths.
 
14 days Covid positive case "coughing up blood" sought to gain access to our ICU while I was trying to sleep... Presented a negative PCR test done yesterday, and claimed it's totally not Covid.

It's a matter of time before one of them succeeds. I need 13 more days, though.

I'm tired of this neverending cycle. Israel is already on dose 4. Solution is ahead though...

Universal Vaccine vs coronavirus:
Walter Reed scientists “expect to announce that they have developed a vaccine that protects people from COVID-19 and all its variants, even Omicron, as well as from previous SARS-origin viruses that have killed millions of people worldwide.

It's a polyvalent vaccine, and owned by US Govt. Not a drug house. NO profit margin. Old time style vaccine dev.
Might want to sell your Pfizer shares, as comparative cost combined with universal global demand will crush them. Protection vs Coronavirus Family, not just this one, is going to become a standard basic vaccine, for everybody.

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Anni Sternisko presented findings of a paper she coauthored on DW today:

- in which susceptibility to conspiracy theory beliefs were strongly linked to "National Narcissism", a new term for me. Data from 56 countries. It isn't a cognitive problem as such

This supports a lesion in the right vmPFC, a severe societal threat, and major cause of death under the present circumstances.
 
Unfortunately there's a tendency to delay acting until after the impacts that were predicted have already begun to become visible. Had we followed SAGE's advice and gone into a week-long lockdown from the 14th, we'd have reset the clock to a degree on its spread, and had more time to implement measures post-xmas for keeping it under control. As it is, they're not going to act until we can already see the consequences, a few weeks on, of the current spike in cases, in hospitalisations and deaths.
If the whole world took a 4 week holiday at the start of this mess we'd already be laughing about the overblown pandemic like we laugh about Y2K. Hindsight is pretty good, especially when you aren't wearing glasses with dollar signs over the lenses.
 
If the whole world took a 4 week holiday at the start of this mess we'd already be laughing about the overblown pandemic like we laugh about Y2K. Hindsight is pretty good, especially when you aren't wearing glasses with dollar signs over the lenses.
This is also the reason we're not in lockdown now, Xmas season is a big earner for business. It's also the reason they delayed lockdown till after Ascot and the football game earlier in the pandemic with predictable results 🤦🏼‍♂️
 
I'm sure it'll be fine, we have all those great monoclonal antibody treatments which work super well, so we should be able to handle increased hospital admissions, right?



Oh.
 
Anti-vaxxers get the wrong house........again. This time they went after a guy who used to be a footballer, those well known members of the deep state.

His stance led anti-vaccination protesters to film themselves on Wednesday outside an address near Newcastle which they believed to be his family home.
In the video they shared on social media, three men and a woman, plus someone recording the scene, gathered outside a gated property and after pressing an electronic buzzer, one of them posted documents into an external letterbox.

It is unclear what the papers contained, but anti-vaccination protesters routinely share templates of supposed legal documents which they film themselves depositing.

Lawyer Adam Wagner, a human rights expert and commentator on Covid legislation, poured scorn on the anti-vaccination protesters’ claims of using the law.
The Doughty Street barrister said: “It is difficult to overemphasise how spurious it all is.
“It is wrong and should not be indulged by anyone.
“This is so far down into the depths of legal fantasy, people should not be doing it, no-one should be sharing it.
 
Want to do something positive: let's start with a pretty pic

NextStrain published a nice radial pic of virus phylogenetics: organized by family. Delta is aqua, Omicron is orangey-red.

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Where are we with vaccines now?
Moderna reported this week that a half-dose booster of its mRNA vaccine raised antibody levels against omicron 37-fold, while a full dose raised antibody levels 83-fold compared to just the two initial doses. That echoes a report from Pfizer that a third dose of its vaccine made it just as effective against omicron as the initial doses were against the original virus.
So that looks OK.

How about O-AZ?
Dec 21 (Reuters) - AstraZeneca Plc (AZN.L) said on Tuesday it is working with Oxford University to produce a vaccine for the Omicron coronavirus variant, joining other vaccine-makers who are looking to develop the variant-specific vaccine.
So I'm fine with getting the mRNA booster instead. By the time they get this off the ground, we probably will be onto the next variant.

And their antibody?
Dec 16 (Reuters) - AstraZeneca (AZN.L) said on Thursday a lab-study of its COVID-19 antibody cocktail, Evusheld, found that the treatment retained neutralising activity against the Omicron coronavirus variant, showing promise for wider use of the therapy.
So although Pfizer's Regeneron won't work well, they still have something to use in the First World where it is breaking away. ( I'm not there )

What's South Africa doing?
In South Africa, we’ve seen a delinking of cases from hospital admissions. With the delta variant, the hospitalization rate links closely to the case rate. When we look at the omicron surge, we have more cases compared to hospital admissions. In South Africa, there are fewer hospital admissions, fewer deaths, and ICUs are under control.
~JHU.
We have had sufficient time to see the 2 week impact, and it is not that bad. Overall, it might be better for an individual to catch the new one. Especially if fully 3X vaccinated.


Denmark just published figures on myocarditis rates from mRNA vaccines:
About two people per 100,000 who received an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine experienced myocarditis or myopericarditis afterward, according to a new study from Denmark.

Researchers found these rare cardiac conditions occurred more frequently after Moderna vaccines than Pfizer-BioNTech and most cases were mild.

It's unclear whether this is meaningfully any more than the myocarditis rates in the unvaccinated genpop. As people simply live, some get myocarditis. So these are pretty good numbers, especially as they mostly happened in young men, who tend to survive better.

Most cases of myocarditis were mild. Researchers also found people infected with SARS-CoV-2 had a 14-fold higher risk of cardiac arrest or death compared to people who were not infected.
BMJ reference: https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068665

We got a young guy in the ER a week ago, vaccinated 2 weeks prior, who had a chest pain, and found some ECG abnormalities. He had no biochem markers for myocarditis.
The Cardiologist identified the problem as WPW syndrome, a whole other thing, not caused by vaccines. Sent him to the Electrophysiologist to do ablation, full recovery expected.
 
It's a shame that we're going to need to wait until the summer for a preliminary idea of how omicron cases translate into long covid, since that's been seen in plenty people who were otherwise asymptomatic but tested positive for infections.
 

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To all the participants in the two Covid threads a personal note from your very own Covid thread moderator - have a pleasant and safe Christmas!

I had my booster shot yesterday and had a rough night - very painful arm, ice cold feet woke me up, headache and muscle aches, sleeping in half hour periods. Generally felt quite ill, but after a long hot shower and a couple of paracetamol this morning feeling much better.

For the second year in a row I'm unable to travel to England to be with my family for Christmas so my daughter and I are coping by having loads of chocolate and wine! :p
 
To all the participants in the two Covid threads a personal note from your very own Covid thread moderator - have a pleasant and safe Christmas!

I had my booster shot yesterday and had a rough night - very painful arm, ice cold feet woke me up, headache and muscle aches, sleeping in half hour periods. Generally felt quite ill, but after a long hot shower and a couple of paracetamol this morning feeling much better.

For the second year in a row I'm unable to travel to England to be with my family for Christmas so my daughter and I are coping by having loads of chocolate and wine! :p
Cheers, and ditto for the sentiments! Keep well everyone, good luck for the new orbit around the sun!
 
To all the participants in the two Covid threads a personal note from your very own Covid thread moderator - have a pleasant and safe Christmas!

I had my booster shot yesterday and had a rough night - very painful arm, ice cold feet woke me up, headache and muscle aches, sleeping in half hour periods.
Yeah, I've compared my experience last night and today with my booster to the Trial of the Grasses, forget 5G powers, I deserve to come out of this a Witcher. The total immunity to disease would be pretty useful right about now.
 
To all the participants in the two Covid threads a personal note from your very own Covid thread moderator - have a pleasant and safe Christmas!

I had my booster shot yesterday and had a rough night - very painful arm, ice cold feet woke me up, headache and muscle aches, sleeping in half hour periods. Generally felt quite ill, but after a long hot shower and a couple of paracetamol this morning feeling much better.

For the second year in a row I'm unable to travel to England to be with my family for Christmas so my daughter and I are coping by having loads of chocolate and wine! :p
Same to you Ian and everyone else.

I've just had my turkey dinner as I'm working tomorrow and Mrs Stigbob is going to be home alone, I've got the whole family to do a drunken zoom quiz with her tomorrow afternoon and showered her with morale boosting chocolate. She's missing the German half of the family for the second Christmas running.
 
To all the participants in the two Covid threads a personal note from your very own Covid thread moderator - have a pleasant and safe Christmas!

I had my booster shot yesterday and had a rough night - very painful arm, ice cold feet woke me up, headache and muscle aches, sleeping in half hour periods. Generally felt quite ill, but after a long hot shower and a couple of paracetamol this morning feeling much better.

For the second year in a row I'm unable to travel to England to be with my family for Christmas so my daughter and I are coping by having loads of chocolate and wine! :p

Thanks, all the same to you and everyone else 🥂

Got my booster shot one week ago, at noon.
By the evening the only discomfort was a sore arm. By midnight when i got to sleep, the arm pain was nasty enough to not let me sleep on that side
At 2am i woke up due to rather strong chills and shivers, but managed to slip back into sleep in about 30-40 minutes.
Next morning i was ok, no discomfort except the sore arm which continued to be a pain for about 2 more days.

All in all much easier than dose no2 which besides chills and a sore arm also gave me a headache for about a full day.
 
To all the participants in the two Covid threads a personal note from your very own Covid thread moderator - have a pleasant and safe Christmas!

I had my booster shot yesterday and had a rough night - very painful arm, ice cold feet woke me up, headache and muscle aches, sleeping in half hour periods. Generally felt quite ill, but after a long hot shower and a couple of paracetamol this morning feeling much better.

For the second year in a row I'm unable to travel to England to be with my family for Christmas so my daughter and I are coping by having loads of chocolate and wine! :p
me too mr phillips. 2nd jab no aching arm. just felt cold.and a few sniff's of what felt like a cold come on.woke up this morning feeling a lot better,oh it could of been the motorcycle ride i had to get to the covid center.....:D
 
Thankfully all my side effects had worn off by this morning apart from tenderness in the arm and some residual joint pain.
Luckily I am the only one in the house who gets knocked completely on my back by the vaccine, so I had someone to take care of me yesterday.

Spent the morning with the two of us here opening presents, with a nice meal planned for a bit later, and then a good bit of STAYING AT HOME for the foreseeable future.
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Just wondering if everybody got the same vaccine? I look like a fiddler crab or a lopsided hunchback, with one deltoid about double sized. Man, a second dose of booster on the other side would turn me into achey Captain America.

Working alone in the ER last night. :)
It's a good way to spend time helping out people, and this job is close to home, so it's not bad.

Other staff has Covid. Just one foreign nurse operational. No specialist cover: the Cardiologist is isolated with Covid. Looks like an outbreak at our rival hospital has also taken place.

Came home for a bit to inject a ham with filtered pine juice & brown sugar solution. Baked it, cut it up, and gave away sections to neighbours. Next year maybe inject it with rum? That should go over well.
 
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