General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?
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There are really extremes. In Germany a nurse injected people with the equivalent of 5 doses of vaccine at one time.
She was wrong. She must have thought that a vial of vaccine contained a single dose.
And now the laboratories are extending the time between two injections to be able to vaccinate more people.
From three weeks we go to three months. By waving a magic wand ?
Definitely all this news won't improve my confidence.
She was wrong. She must have thought that a vial of vaccine contained a single dose.
And now the laboratories are extending the time between two injections to be able to vaccinate more people.
From three weeks we go to three months. By waving a magic wand ?
Definitely all this news won't improve my confidence.
Yep, he's already in prison and the FBI are looking into him so it's most likely an anti-vax/neo-nazi thing.
Whilst it may seem that way nobody 100% knows where it started for all we know it may have started elsewhere and only because china found it first that it was associated with them. It's all very easy to point the finger at the first conclusion when you stop following the trail
Actually, that virus, or ones similar to it, have been found in the local fauna of that region. Additionally, I would ALMOST be willing to give them a pass if this was the first time an outbreak occurred in China, but it's not. It's just the latest in a string of outbreaks over the last few decades, coming from that region. I think the evidence, while circumstantial, is more than enough to lay the blame on China. This would include, by the way, the incredibly poor handling of their outbreak when it first got started. The physician who first sounded the alarm was threatened with jail time if he spoke out about it. However, I am not interested in laying blame for blame's sake. I am interested in finding ways to protect the people of my nation and the most straight forward way of doing that is to restrict access by people coming from China. ALL THE TIME. Outbreaks can be difficult to detect in the early stages and it does nobody any good to close the barn door AFTER the horse has gotten out. These restrictions could possibly take the form of a mandatory 14 day quarantine upon arrival. ALL THE TIME. If you think it is too onerous, consider all the lives lost across the ENTIRE PLANET and all of the economies tanked across the ENTIRE PLANET. If you still think it is worth taking a risk, then I would conclude you are one hell of an excessive risk taker. By the way, the restrictions I propose would be lifted after a certain period of time in which the people and the government of China cease engaging in these risky practices and become more open about outbreaks.Whilst it may seem that way nobody 100% knows where it started for all we know it may have started elsewhere and only because china found it first that it was associated with them. It's all very easy to point the finger at the first conclusion when you stop following the trail
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So here are the facts.
Covid infections were detected outside China before the outbreak.
U.S. Covid Cases Found as Early as December 2019, Says Study - Bloomberg
The only wild animals the virus has been found in are not in China (the actual virus, not "similar").
First case of coronavirus detected in wild animal - BBC News
Like I said months ago I can't wait for the epidemiological research.
Covid infections were detected outside China before the outbreak.
U.S. Covid Cases Found as Early as December 2019, Says Study - Bloomberg
The only wild animals the virus has been found in are not in China (the actual virus, not "similar").
First case of coronavirus detected in wild animal - BBC News
Like I said months ago I can't wait for the epidemiological research.
It's easy to see why anxiety over future infection would be high.
In the case of New York, genetic tracking identified where it was imported from:
nyulangone.org
Stopping Chinese travel is not the same as stopping infection travel. Middle East Respiratory coronavirus for instance has an important clue in its name.
Pandemics go worldwide, so only complete border closures would work. I like the concept of the 14 day quarantine as a substitute from a medical screening standpoint, but doing it ALL the time would mean pointlessly doing it for ~99 years between the last 2 major pandemics.
In the case of New York, genetic tracking identified where it was imported from:
New York City’s Coronavirus Outbreak Spread from More European Sources Than First Reported
NYU Langone researchers used gene testing to track coronavirus origins and spread in New York and found the virus arrived in late February. Learn more.
Stopping Chinese travel is not the same as stopping infection travel. Middle East Respiratory coronavirus for instance has an important clue in its name.
Pandemics go worldwide, so only complete border closures would work. I like the concept of the 14 day quarantine as a substitute from a medical screening standpoint, but doing it ALL the time would mean pointlessly doing it for ~99 years between the last 2 major pandemics.
Enough of this Nationalist tripe.
I am not allowed to discuss the inadequacies, or incompetence of those great western powers, that has failed to deal with the current pandemic sweeping the planet. There are states that have used common sense, such as New Zealand & South Korea. The actions of which, have saved countless thousands of lives and their economies. Let us all hope, that lessons that have been from learnt now and in the past, will be considered, when dealing with the next global outbreak. Although I doubt it will be the case, as most humans are selfish, greedy and ignorant and never seem to learn, from the past.
If you wish to accredit blame, then understand, that the flu that killed over 50 million people in the 1920s, came from the U.S., which is not something they care to admit and today, any blame for the thousands of deaths each and every nation has had. Can be laid fairly and squarely, with those in control, of said nations. The same can be said, of any hits to their economies. They only have their choices, their actions and their politically influenced decisions, to blame, for any self made problems, they have. Yet: No nation, has been set back decades by this pandemic, that is just dramatic noise, to distract and inflame the masses.
If you want to talk about 'wet markets', then also understand that these places are not exclusive to China, or even Asia; but can be found all over the world, in fact, for example, the U.S. has thousands of them.
And finally. I am British, born in China and proud to say so.
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Number of doses of vaccines administered worldwide. Latest figures known on January 1, 2021
It is extremely likely that travel to Trinidad will require either a vaccine or evidence of medical exemption in the future. Current Admin. is not tolerant of infection risk.
Local Medical Board, Medical Association, and the Medical Council will likely advise this going forward as vaccination becomes available. We will not recognise religious exemptions. They are not currently recognised for other vaccination requirements.
Dr. Fauci added:
Other precautions are probably going to be needed till vaccination is widespread. Based on US numbers, that won't happen till their central control changes hands.
100 million vaccines were promised earlier by now. They did less than 3 million, a 97% shortfall.
The Oxford AZ vaccine will be regionally manufactured once certified, in at least 5 countries, including Latin America, India(notably 1 billion doses at the Serum Inst. In Pune) , Russia and China. We can estimate good world uptake by year end. It may take 2 years to reach everywhere.
Positive steps. It's rare for me to argue against tolerance but I think we've pushed the envelope of freedom for idiots a bit too far. Religious exemptions to vaccination are a bad joke.
France does not seem to be moving towards the establishment of a "vaccine passport" for travel.
The Minister of Transport, rejected the idea on Monday.
“We are in a vaccination sequence. It is (the vaccines) that will allow us to regain our freedom and that is what we must support rather than compartmentalize the population according to whether they are vaccinated or not ”.
The Minister of Transport believes that priority should be given to vaccination campaigns to achieve "international collective immunity".
While some airlines, such as the Australian Qantas, pushes the idea of this passport, which would condition access to transport to the vaccination, the Minister explains that in France, it is "rather no". "In most of the countries, it is illegal", he also specifies.
The Minister of Transport, rejected the idea on Monday.
“We are in a vaccination sequence. It is (the vaccines) that will allow us to regain our freedom and that is what we must support rather than compartmentalize the population according to whether they are vaccinated or not ”.
The Minister of Transport believes that priority should be given to vaccination campaigns to achieve "international collective immunity".
While some airlines, such as the Australian Qantas, pushes the idea of this passport, which would condition access to transport to the vaccination, the Minister explains that in France, it is "rather no". "In most of the countries, it is illegal", he also specifies.
My wife, due to being an educator, is in phase 1B of NY's distribution plan...essentially second in line.
Still not expecting to be able to get vaccinated until March or April.
Prisoners should rationally be some of the first groups vaccinated because prisons are a dangerous reservoir and major exposure risk for the communities they are part of.
Your parents, statistically speaking, are probably able to isolate better, and thus less of a risk, to themselves and others. The epidemiology favors vaccinating prisons early.
No joke. Canaduh eh.
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