General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

[Patrick_68000]

European Covid Certification to take effect July 1st to facilitate travel within the European Union.

As we know, this health pass contains several options

1) Vaccination
2) Negative PCR test
3) Negative antigen rapid test
4) Antibodies

For option # 4, a person can provide a positive PCR test proving the infection.

Serological tests are not yet considered reliable enough to attest to this immunity, but an evaluation is planned on this subject in the first four months of application of the regulation.

The system will apply in 30 countries (the 27 Member States of the Union, plus Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein (now I don't know where I'm going to go on vacation ).

The regulation establishing the digital certificate will come into force on July 1, for a period of one year.

The European Union is in talks with a number of third countries, including Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States, but also with international organizations such as the WHO and air transport associations for mutual recognition and interoperability of the systems put in place.

Well, the single vaccination passport is permanently buried.

 

[Patrick_68000]

May 19, 2021 in Paris

No panic in the face of an emergency health situation that is not catastrophic. Serious but not catastrophic.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Well seen.

Vaccination removes responsibility from people, not all, but many.

Many irresponsible vaccinated people represent a significant risk vector for the community.

More antivaxxer rubbish.

The unvaccinated are the irresponsible ones.
The risk doesn't come from immune people. It's spread by the unvaccinated carriers.

A person who is not vaccinated will tend to be much more careful and responsible. And will be a much lower risk factor for the community.

Again, antivaxxer rubbish. The opposite is the truth. Is anybody else fed up with this?

Maybe one day, if the epidemic becomes really very serious, I will take the vaccine with sufficient hindsight on these substances and their side effects.

Yeah yeah yeah. Sure. As if anybody would vaccinate someone with anaphylaxis. As we have repeatedly noted. You will never get past the vaccine screening. It's perpetual pretending.

More concern trolling.

K, I am done. Muted.
Good riddance.

 

[Patrick_68000]

People who die of pollution are persecuted by others as are many that die of COVID now.
I don’t think anyone here denies that the death of a person from one thing is worse than another so all people are trying to tell you is that brushing away 3 million COVID deaths by pointing at another catastrophe doesn’t really wash as an argument
Stick to saying that they could have saved themselves by following guidance and isolating from everyone else

I am glad that at last one person here recognizes the irresponsibility of many people on this planet concerning the pollution.

Regarding the 3 million deaths from the Covid of which you speak, they are not all victims of persecution on the part of other people but are very often the first responsible for their situation.

I know many, many people who abuse food, tobacco, alcohol and who become the first victims of Covid. I do not feel responsible myself for the fate of these poor people who conscientiously and unrestrained provoke their comorbidities which make them more vulnerable that others in the face of the pandemic.

Moreover I do not see how you manage to deduce that I eliminate 3 million people by pointing to another disaster. I don't eliminate anything at all, I put it in perspective, it's not the same thing.

Believe me, I am fully aware that the 3 million deaths are real.

It is not for this reason that I will cry at the end of the humanity.

 

[Stigbob]

I am glad that at last one person here recognizes the irresponsibility of many people on this planet concerning the pollution.

Regarding the 3 million deaths from the Covid of which you speak, they are not all victims of persecution on the part of other people but are very often the first responsible for their situation.

I know many, many people who abuse food, tobacco, alcohol and who become the first victims of Covid. I do not feel responsible myself for the fate of these poor people who conscientiously and unrestrained provoke their comorbidities which make them more vulnerable that others in the face of the pandemic.

Moreover I do not see how you manage to deduce that I eliminate 3 million people by pointing to another disaster. I don't eliminate anything at all, I put it in perspective, it's not the same thing.

Believe me, I am fully aware that the 3 million deaths are real.

It is not for this reason that I will cry at the end of humanity.

If you think covids victims are to blame for their own deaths where does that put someone who dies after refusing a vaccine on your casualty blaming spectrum ?.

Personally I think it's a tragic loss either way, even more so when it's so easily avoidable.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Lovely!

Yes a beautiful achievement.

This library (among other things) is also heir to the royal collections established since the Middle Ages, it has one of the richest collections in the world.

The Library itself (not this site of course) was created in 1461.

The photo represents only one of the sites of the library.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Looks like the docking slot of a Coriolis station.

Well seen.

If you come to Paris and wait a few hours in front of the library, you might see a ship coming out.

And even give it a sign to take you to Hutton Orbital.

 

[Patrick_68000]

The risk doesn't come from immune people. It's spread by the unvaccinated carriers

It is also spread by vaccinated people through the nasal cavity, for which the vaccines are ineffective.

 

[Stigbob]

It is also spread by vaccinated people through the nasal cavity, for which the vaccines are ineffective.

Anti-vax rubbish.

 

[Patrick_68000]

If you think covids victims are to blame for their own deaths where does that put someone who dies after refusing a vaccine on your casualty blaming spectrum ?.

Personally I think it's a tragic loss either way, even more so when it's so easily avoidable.

I never said that these people are to be blamed. Never.

I said that I don't have to feel responsible and feel guilty about the abusive behavior of many of these people who are the main people unfortunately to catch this damn virus

I don't feel that these people are sick because they have been persecuted by other people, as it was said before.

Concerning your question, if a person refuses a vaccine without serious reasons, she take her responsibilities freely as permitted by the law. If she dies of the disease, she will be partially responsible for her sad fate.

However, this victim can also be partially the victim of vaccinated (or not vaccinated) people who are unruly and do not respect the barrier gestures, and who believe themselves to be invulnerable because they are vaccinated (or not vaccinated).

 

[Patrick_68000]

Anti-vax rubbish.

Not at all it's a scientifically proven fact

There are two contaminations with the Covid.

The 2nd is the deep contamination which is located in the lungs

The 1st is the top contamination, located in the nasal cavity and against which vaccines are ineffective.

For the anecdot, I did not know that the anti-vaxxers used this argument. This shows that occasionally (rarely), they say true things.

 

[Gortron]

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Not at all it's a scientifically proven fact

There are two contaminations with the Covid.

The 2nd is the deep contamination which is located in the lungs

The 1st is the top contamination, located in the nasal cavity and against which vaccines are ineffective.

For the anecdot, I did not know that the anti-vaxxers used this argument. This shows that occasionally (rarely), they say true things.

My understanding is that it incubates in the nasal cavity before travelling down into the lungs where is when it causes you to become ill.

If you have antibodies then will be attacked my your immune system whether it is in your nose or lungs.

There are treatments in the works to prevent incubation in the nose and also to vaccinate via nasal spray.

https://www.royalholloway.ac.uk/abo...-causes-covid-19-is-being-trialled-in-the-uk/

AstraZeneca partner takes nasal COVID-19 vaccine into phase 1

The University of Oxford has begun a phase 1 clinical trial of a nasal spray formula | The University of Oxford has begun a phase 1 clinical trial of a nasal spray formulation of its AstraZeneca-partnered COVID-19 vaccine.

www.fiercebiotech.com

 

[Patrick_68000]

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My understanding is that it incubates in the nasal cavity before travelling down into the lungs where is when it causes you to become ill.

If you have antibodies then will be attacked my your immune system whether it is in your nose or lungs.

There are treatments in the works to prevent incubation in the nose and also to vaccinate via nasal spray.

https://www.royalholloway.ac.uk/abo...-causes-covid-19-is-being-trialled-in-the-uk/

AstraZeneca partner takes nasal COVID-19 vaccine into phase 1

The University of Oxford has begun a phase 1 clinical trial of a nasal spray formula | The University of Oxford has begun a phase 1 clinical trial of a nasal spray formulation of its AstraZeneca-partnered COVID-19 vaccine.

www.fiercebiotech.com

Exactly.

And also I had heard Americans are trying to create a nasal spray to kill the virus, there are already a few months.

 

[Stigbob]

I never said that these people are to be blamed. Never.

This is blame Patrick.

And I prefer spend 200 euros in a pair of running shoes to do my 20 kilometers daily, than going to fill my stomach with fat and alcohol in a restaurant and pub

It is for this reason that I have no real compassion for the majority of Covid victims (for people not too old), who are mainly linked to commorbidity problems resulting from excessive consumption of fat and alcohol.

You feel no compassion for the majority of covids victims because you think their own fault.

 

[Patrick_68000]

You mix everything.

It is not because I do not have compassion for people who are excessive in their behavior that I blame them.

Besides I do not see in my post of the time where I blame these people. To tell the truth, I don't care.

I do not blame them, I note, it is not the same thing.

They are adults who do what they want with their bodies. It's their problem, not mine.

If they live in excess, alcohol, fat, tobacco, and after are weakened and are more vulnerable to the virus or other pathologies, it is not my problem and I do not feel responsible of their excesses. I have enough to do with my own problems of daily life and in addition you tell me about people that I have never seen, that I do not know.

There are health professionals and volunteers like you to take care of these people. The intervention power of the state and associations, huh ?

Be serious.

You should stop interpreting the things as it suits you.

 

[Arry]

You mix everything.

This is how you define, selfishness.

A case of, "I'm alright jack and to hell with everybody else." May your god, treat you accordingly.

 

[Stigbob]

You mix everything.

It is not because I do not have compassion for people who are excessive in their behavior that I blame them.

Besides I do not see in my post of the time where I blame these people. To tell the truth, I don't care.

I do not blame them, I note, it is not the same thing.

They are adults who do what they want with their bodies. It's their problem, not mine.

If they live in excess, alcohol, fat, tobacco, and after are weakened and are more vulnerable to the virus or other pathologies, it is not my problem and I do not feel responsible of their excesses. I have enough to do with my own problems of daily life and in addition you tell me about people that I have never seen, that I do not know.

So you don't blame them, just think it's their fault due to lifestyle and don't care about them.

There are health professionals and volunteers like you to take care of these people. The intervention power of the state and associations, huh ?

Be serious.

You should stop interpreting the things as it suits you.

The state are intervening through lockdowns, giving out advice on masks/social distancing and a vaccination campaign. You'll note that the state prioritize people with comorbidities for help.

 

[Patrick_68000]

This is how you define, selfishness.

A case of, "I'm alright jack and to hell with everybody else." May your god, treat you accordingly.

Selfishness ? Be serious.

I am a very generous person because I pay taxes each year to ensure the functioning of hospitals and the salaries of health professionals.

Having said that, I'm flattered that you are interested assiduously to my person.

But frankly I think you should refocus on the topic of this thread. There is much more interesting news than my modest person.

We are not here to talk about us, is not it ? But vaccination and Covid.

Right on Cmdr, and back to more constructive and interesting things for the community that makes me the honor of participating in my thread.

 

[Patrick_68000]

So you don't blame them, just think it's their fault due to lifestyle and don't care about them.

I replied to Cmdr Arry, please, read my previous post.

Right on Cmdr

 

[Synkreto]

So, has this thread come to any conclusion yet ? Is there a case to be made for mandatory vaccination against COVID19 ?

To me it seems the question has been posted a some kind of rhetorical question . It also seems there is a lot of differing opinions about many points conneected with the Issue .

What do you guys think, we talk about these things again ?