Newcomer / Intro The Dark Wheel *SPOILER* (kinda)

[Thatchinho]

When a game gives me story based context of any kind, I don't know what else to treat it as. Maybe we have a different understanding of lore. Anyhow, thanks a lot for the other helpful replies, it's all pretty interesting.

No problems!

And yeah, it might just be a slightly semantic thing on the meaning of lore.

Some would interpret lore as the definite history (and/or future) and characteristics of the setting of the game. It's the information which a Games Master, Dungeon Master, or equivalent would have.

That exists for ED, but is out-of-game, and most of us don’t see it. The authors of the ED books were provided with lore guides (with a few topics kept out for FD’s own use).

A key point really is that in ED we’re just random members of the public, and rank and file members of the Pilots Federation. And the ED universe is one in which deception, manipulation and propaganda are rife, as are different perspectives on things. In general things are largely not clear cut, black and white, but rather all in shades of grey.

In this context, knowledge of lore would essentially be god-like knowledge.

The information you get in game is all through that filter - you are receiving information within the context of what players are within the ED universe. You aren't being given information as an out-of-game entity.

Personally I wouldn't constitute info of that nature as lore, as it could be deliberately misleading, manipulation, propaganda, wrong, just opinion, one perspective on a multi-perspective situation, a small part of info which when viewed from the full set appears completely different, and so on and so forth.

 

[Metjammer]

No problems!

And yeah, it might just be a slightly semantic thing on the meaning of lore.

Some would interpret lore as the definite history (and/or future) and characteristics of the setting of the game. It's the information which a Games Master, Dungeon Master, or equivalent would have.

That exists for ED, but is out-of-game, and most of us don’t see it. The authors of the ED books were provided with lore guides (with a few topics kept out for FD’s own use).

A key point really is that in ED we’re just random members of the public, and rank and file members of the Pilots Federation. And the ED universe is one in which deception, manipulation and propaganda are rife, as are different perspectives on things. In general things are largely not clear cut, black and white, but rather all in shades of grey.

In this context, knowledge of lore would essentially be god-like knowledge.

The information you get in game is all through that filter - you are receiving information within the context of what players are within the ED universe. You aren't being given information as an out-of-game entity.

Personally I wouldn't constitute info of that nature as lore, as it could be deliberately misleading, manipulation, propaganda, wrong, just opinion, one perspective on a multi-perspective situation, a small part of info which when viewed from the full set appears completely different, and so on and so forth.

I get what you're saying. As a new player that was my only source, though, reliable or not. I guess I won't put in enough time to figure out all shades of grey. It's a game after all and the "reality" might be a disappointment in the end. Also, that's an interesting and big task IRL as well, isn't it...

 

[[PS4] Filthymick420]

I get what you're saying. As a new player that was my only source, though, reliable or not. I guess I won't put in enough time to figure out all shades of grey. It's a game after all and the "reality" might be a disappointment in the end. Also, that's an interesting and big task IRL as well, isn't it...

As a new player you should know, what fdev says and does don't often match up

 

[Metjammer]

As a new player you should know, what fdev says and does don't often match up

Lol, yes, I've heard about that. Truth is, I didn't have much contact with their announcements and development so far simply because I don't care too much about them. I play Horizons only and don't own Odyssey, and the game I'm playing seems to work okay (if not more). I posted another thread today on how I see the game after the time I've spent playing and even to a newbie like me it's pretty clear they don't do so much as they maybe could. The engineer descriptions for example all say that they give you new contacts if you treat them well which obviously isn't true for all of them. It's insanely lazy to not delete a single sentence out of said descriptions that make players level them up and have a bad surprise and, as in my case, wonder if there's a bug occuring. There are more examples but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
After CP2077 I don't care much about such stuff anymore because I realized they all don't care about their own products, let alone about us. It's all money printing, as sad as it is...

 

[Thatchinho]

I get what you're saying. As a new player that was my only source, though, reliable or not. I guess I won't put in enough time to figure out all shades of grey. It's a game after all and the "reality" might be a disappointment in the end. Also, that's an interesting and big task IRL as well, isn't it...

Yeah, that’s completely fair enough about it being the only source of info. And it’s totally valid to use it as a starting point. It was really just a pointer for you on how it works within ED. It’s actually a fairly significant layer to the game when you look into it. (Though as a word of warning, although the base game has been out for a while, ED is still a game that’s in development and will be for years to come. Some things effectively hit roadblocks as a result, until further things are developed and released.)

Anyway, in case you’re not up to speed on the current major arc, here’s the story so far thread from FD:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-azimuth-saga-the-story-so-far.585804/

Enjoy! o7

Edit - And on the IRL front, yes, very much so!

 

[[PS4] Filthymick420]

Even though I'm disgruntled with fdev as a company, I'd definitely recommend the books 'the Dark wheel' by Robert holdstock which can be found free online if you don't mind reading it off your screen. Other real good books are 'And Here the Wheel' by John Harper and of course all of fellow forumite Drew Wager's books 'Reclamation' and 'Premonition' I also have a few others but haven't gotten to them yet as sometimes my adhd still keeps me from reading too much too often