THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)

Indeed, nothing about what has been uncovered explains why the permit locking of such a swathe of space. It's not over by any stretch of the imagination.

Possibly permit locked so players don't see what's being set up before the event, rather than a lore-friendly permit lock?
 
INRA had the cure (the took it from another human group) and in turn it was stolen from them. Eventually it was smuggled to the Thargoids by members of the newly founded Alliance.

If that is still lore (which I am doubtful of, I took the lore from Drew's Thargoid lore page) you are basing that on the end of FFE right? 3255. Still 15 years before the contingency project.
 
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If that is still lore (which I am doubtful of, I took the lore from Drew's Thargoid lore page) you are basing that on the end of FFE right? 3255. Still 15 years before the contingency project.

3255 is the year the genocide conspiracy was put out. I know Drew's lore page doesn't mention the cure being passed on to them by humans. It does mention multiple factions of Thargoids. If it wasn't human's than maybe one faction eventually found a cure for the other? How long have humans been looking for cures to even the most mundane illnesses? I don't think it's out of the question that the Thargoids would spend a 100 years curing and rebuilding what was lost before risking another such assault.

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Fairly new to Elite, and I'm already looking into this Formidine Rift stuff. Thinking of flying over there, although I'm currently nose deep in the Coalsack nebula doing some exploration out here. Not sure where to start, should I head over to the Zukara? (That's the Megaship's name, right?). I got a DBX, kitted it out and will be returning home to Shamo system to get an FSD upgrade. Soon I should have 35ly jump capability, and I have materials required to boost that with Injections. Is that enough to get me over there?
With a class a jump drive and G5 FSD jump range mod you'll easily get 45ly's, even with a heavy explorer build and a poor roll. I've got 53ly range on mine with weapons and G4 shields. You should be fine!
 
3255 is the year the genocide conspiracy was put out. I know Drew's lore page doesn't mention the cure being passed on to them by humans. It does mention multiple factions of Thargoids. If it wasn't human's than maybe one faction eventually found a cure for the other? How long have humans been looking for cures to even the most mundane illnesses? I don't think it's out of the question that the Thargoids would spend a 100 years curing and rebuilding what was lost before risking another such assault.

What if they just naturally developed a resistance to it like we do to antibiotics?
 
Fairly new to Elite, and I'm already looking into this Formidine Rift stuff. Thinking of flying over there, although I'm currently nose deep in the Coalsack nebula doing some exploration out here. Not sure where to start, should I head over to the Zukara? (That's the Megaship's name, right?). I got a DBX, kitted it out and will be returning home to Shamo system to get an FSD upgrade. Soon I should have 35ly jump capability, and I have materials required to boost that with Injections. Is that enough to get me over there?

Upgrade you FSD as much as possible, you can do better then 35ly - I'm just flying there in my DBX now, but the range is 49ly, no problem whatsoever, you should be fine with 35 as well, it will just take longer. I think Zukara is a good start, you can as well check the abandoned bases in Formidine on your way there, and check in one of Heart and Soul asteroid bases just in case ;)

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Something occurred to me about the logs and our timeline.

Unless I am mistaken, there has been something of an assumption that the terraforming project carried out by Exodus (or Dynasty - whatever the project was called), was as a contingency again Alien Invasion of the home worlds. However, if one looks at the timeline, that does not stack up.

3200 or thereabouts: INRA supposedly released the mycoid virus to force a Thargoid retreat.
3270: The Exodus project takes place.
3302: New *apparent* Thargoid hyperdictions/sightings/'presence'.

My contention is - 70 years is quite a time to leave after the war is 'over' to set up a contingency plan out in an unknown area. Moreover, if that contingency was put into play because "someone" felt an impending threat of Thargoid invasion, then why was there no sign of them for another 30+ years. And having developed the 'mycoid' that worked so well before, why would human's be afraid (yes I accept that they may have wondered if a resistance had evolved, but as a base, mycoid could be used to develop a new virus surely?)

It leads me to strongly suspect that the Exodus project had little or nothing to do with Thargoids. I think it may have been a contingency against something else, perhaps homegrown in the bubble.

The 'weird noises and ghosts' in the Rift logs suggest some odd presence in that region, but it cannot be that presence that was being mitigated against. Not unless there were some terribly dumb people running the show: our contingency is to set up shop where the weird noises and ghosts are rather than somewhere else. No, I suspect that those noises and so on are a coincidence or just space madness. However, they may very well have been the reason for the terraforming to have failed/have been abandoned.

Which leads us back to the central questions. Who set up the project? Why? - what was the threat? - has another (successful) contingency been set-up elsewhere following this failure? Or has the threat passed/been superceded?

Didn't the old lady say that whatever she encountered was even worse than the Thargoids?
 
Fairly new to Elite, and I'm already looking into this Formidine Rift stuff. Thinking of flying over there, although I'm currently nose deep in the Coalsack nebula doing some exploration out here. Not sure where to start, should I head over to the Zukara? (That's the Megaship's name, right?). I got a DBX, kitted it out and will be returning home to Shamo system to get an FSD upgrade. Soon I should have 35ly jump capability, and I have materials required to boost that with Injections. Is that enough to get me over there?

Same as what Denali said.

My DBX has a 49ly range, and that is fully kitted out as well, couple of lightweight mods here and there (scanner, guns etc) your best bet would be to get the jump range increased at Felicity Farseer, provided you have Farseer at level 5 and try and get a good roll on optimised mass, around 50% should be good, anything over 50% is a bonus. With a 50Ly jump range you are looking at roughly Three and a half hours travel time to the abandoned bases situated in the Rift. Then add an hour give or take from the bases to the Zurara.

And don't forget to stop in at one of the new bases within either the Heart or Soul Neb, or both if you need to.

System's are HEART SECTOR IR-V B2-0 and SOUL SECTOR EL-Y D7

Good luck CMDR!
 
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Fairly new to Elite, and I'm already looking into this Formidine Rift stuff. Thinking of flying over there, although I'm currently nose deep in the Coalsack nebula doing some exploration out here. Not sure where to start, should I head over to the Zukara? (That's the Megaship's name, right?). I got a DBX, kitted it out and will be returning home to Shamo system to get an FSD upgrade. Soon I should have 35ly jump capability, and I have materials required to boost that with Injections. Is that enough to get me over there?

In a DBX 45Ly should now be possible without a really good roll. Since you already have mats it will safe you quite a detour. Got there with 47 and only 4 injects. (though 2 of them lvl3) And the base in Heart Sector actually has all the mats in system, if you want to stock up. Btw, the base in Heart is 1500Ls away from arrival. The one in Soul 140k Ls. ;)
 
With a class a jump drive and G5 FSD jump range mod you'll easily get 45ly's, even with a heavy explorer build and a poor roll. I've got 53ly range on mine with weapons and G4 shields. You should be fine!

What's a G5 FSD Jump Range mod? Is this something you get from engineers? I have only met Felicia once, and didn't have any Meta Alloys for her so I haven't actually gotten any upgrades from her yet. I'm actually still passively looking for where I can get them -- keeping an eye out if I spot them on my travels. I don't know if it's a Material I can just scoop up or if it's full on cargo I'd have to carry over to her.

Upgrade you FSD as much as possible... ...and check in one of Heart and Soul asteroid bases just in case ;)

My DBX has a 49ly range, and that is fully kitted out as well, couple of lightweight mods here and there (scanner, guns etc) your best bet would be to get the jump range increased at felicity farseer, and try and get a good roll on optimised mass, around 50% should be good, anything over 50% is a bonus. With a 50Ly jump range you are looking at roughly Three and a half hours travel time to the bases situated in the Rift. Then add an hour give or take from the bases to the Zurara.

And don't forget to stop in at one of the new bases within either the Heart or Soul Neb, or both if you need to.

System's are HEART SECTOR IR-V B2-0 and SOUL SECTOR EL-Y D7

Good luck CMDR!

Thanks for the system names. I think I should head over to those systems as a first stop, then to Zurara and anywhere else.

My ship is mostly D-rated kit, purely for the lighter weight of it and the longer range. At the moment I'm doing 22-ly jumps -- Which isn't that far. I got that (almost - 18-19LY) out of my Sidewinder before upgrading to the DBX, but I have a mining laser and a refinery on board because I was wanting to check out how that works and never bothered take them off before heading out of the bubble. I'll be selling these and hopefully my exploration data can net me a better FSD. I think at the moment I have a 5C one, but I'm not sure. I haven't been to civilization in a while.
 
Something occurred to me about the logs and our timeline.

Unless I am mistaken, there has been something of an assumption that the terraforming project carried out by Exodus (or Dynasty - whatever the project was called), was as a contingency again Alien Invasion of the home worlds. However, if one looks at the timeline, that does not stack up.

3200 or thereabouts: INRA supposedly released the mycoid virus to force a Thargoid retreat.
3270: The Exodus project takes place.
3302: New *apparent* Thargoid hyperdictions/sightings/'presence'.

My contention is - 70 years is quite a time to leave after the war is 'over' to set up a contingency plan out in an unknown area. Moreover, if that contingency was put into play because "someone" felt an impending threat of Thargoid invasion, then why was there no sign of them for another 30+ years. And having developed the 'mycoid' that worked so well before, why would human's be afraid (yes I accept that they may have wondered if a resistance had evolved, but as a base, mycoid could be used to develop a new virus surely?)

It leads me to strongly suspect that the Exodus project had little or nothing to do with Thargoids. I think it may have been a contingency against something else, perhaps homegrown in the bubble.

The 'weird noises and ghosts' in the Rift logs suggest some odd presence in that region, but it cannot be that presence that was being mitigated against. Not unless there were some terribly dumb people running the show: our contingency is to set up shop where the weird noises and ghosts are rather than somewhere else. No, I suspect that those noises and so on are a coincidence or just space madness. However, they may very well have been the reason for the terraforming to have failed/have been abandoned.

Which leads us back to the central questions. Who set up the project? Why? - what was the threat? - has another (successful) contingency been set-up elsewhere following this failure? Or has the threat passed/been superceded?

Let's do some crazy speculation just as a mental exercise.

I believe that Sirius used alien probes on the rift

More than probes? Which aliens?

There they are, and if ... for UA (and if ...) this technology is not Alien, for Sirius reverse engineering ???

Sirius is a lot crazier than you might think! She did tests with people on a base on a planet with no atmosphere, just to see the effects of isolation. When the first cam died, they sent a cleaning crew to the second cam
They already sent test ships manned by the witchspace knowing they had no back. But did anyway, in order to have the current model of FSD "eggs have been broken"
UA exists since 3200 I believe that Sirius used in the dynasty expedition, because (I believe) it is a type of bussola to locate the Thargoids

Question is, why locate the thargoids?

Prevent a future attack? Only 30 years can confirm the location of your entrance gate (with probes)?

This is the great Sirius asset. Imagine the big secret is that Sirius has always had access to thargoid technology. Not the alliance. (Or have the Alliance in cooperation) that this has been hidden from the community all this time. Just to calm the mood of the community. If Sirius has access to thargoid space she is a pioneer in all hyperospace technology. The pieces fit together. His crazy research makes sense.

The thargoid war will be inevitable if they are being exploited and abducted by Sirius
(Many speculations now kkkkk)
 
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Fairly new to Elite, and I'm already looking into this Formidine Rift stuff. Thinking of flying over there, although I'm currently nose deep in the Coalsack nebula doing some exploration out here. Not sure where to start, should I head over to the Zukara? (That's the Megaship's name, right?). I got a DBX, kitted it out and will be returning home to Shamo system to get an FSD upgrade. Soon I should have 35ly jump capability, and I have materials required to boost that with Injections. Is that enough to get me over there?

One last suggestion. Save all your exploration data. It's easy to get an engineer to grade 2 or 3 without using hard to find stuff. Just do three rolls per level, always with an upgrade at the highest level available. Once you hit grade 4, sell all your exploration data to felicity for a nice boost in reputation. This saves you on higher grade/rarer mats and data.
 
Possibly permit locked so players don't see what's being set up before the event, rather than a lore-friendly permit lock?

Possibly, but the event is recent, the rift mystery pre-dates any Salome effects. We'll know if you are right, as the permit lock should be lifted after the event.
 
If the Event On The 29th involves an escape pod, I wonder if the old cargo duplication bug is still in?
I remember being in an instance with Red Wizzard ages ago when the first UA were discovered, and the UA was multiplied because it had different levels of degradation for different players in the instance. Several copies of Wizzard's single UA ended up sold on markets, destroyed, etc.
So we may end up with Salomé, Kahina and who knows how many more.
 
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Hi gentle folks of the Rift,

I''ll try to be at 46 Eridani on the 29th, with an iCourier if RL lets me... She has 660 boost, 30ly range, 2A interdictor and above average shields. No weapons though! Just to harass people who dare lay a finger on our Lady Kahina!

I think this event will be a total chaos with instancing problems, random PVPers looking to grief anyone who passes by, and players in general wandering around not knowing what to do, like me. But i think it will be fun and worth it!

I also have a couple of thoughts i want to share with you guys:

Not long ago, there was this CG demanding tantalum in the Prism system, and because it didnt reach higher tiers due to lockdown problems, i remember Drew posting something like hoping it's enough tantalum. Enough tantalum for what?
This must be related with the upcoming event for sure. What was all that tantalum for? Well, we know that tantalum is used for FSD drives components.

Also that meteorite that disappeared from somewhere not long ago? Maybe the tantalum was to build a huge FSD drive for it. Maybe it's going to be there at 46 Eridani, or at the final destination, wherever that is...

Somehow i suspect that this all related with the upcoming event.

What you guys think?
 
What you guys think?

I think that it's unrelated to the Formidine Rift. Why would they want us to go out to permit-locked space, hundreds of light-years from where the Zurara was found and the Formidine Rift activity is really happening? It's a little closer to Heart and Soul, and the settlements nearby, sure -- But not really justified at all. Unless there's some major game-changer being planned and unveiled at 46 Eridani, I don't see why it's related or how it even could be. Just because Salami is there and all of her cult followers?

The only logical reason it could be there and yet still be related to Formidine mysterys is because it's closer to the bubble and they want more player interaction and involvement.

If it is indeed a pathway that's being followed, I doubt it would go near to Formidine because of the sheer distance.

If anyone's out that way, what's there that may interest us besides permit-locked systems?
 
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I think that it's unrelated to the Formidine Rift. Why would they want us to go out to permit-locked space, hundreds of light-years from where the Zurara was found and the Formidine Rift activity is really happening?

maybe the place was chosen according to two principles:
1. It has to close enough to the bubble, so enough players can get there in time.
2. It has to be far enough from any station, so rebuying players stay out of the fight for some significant time.
 
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