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THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)
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Can I ask a silly question.
So I'm at Hawkin's Gap, or so I thought, the green icon is me...
Been exploring all round here but just been looking at maps, this isn't *actually* Hawkin's Gap?
It's even outside what you might consider to be the entrance to Hawkin's Gap, I seem to be in an area called Lip-Shu Hollow? (you can just see the text on the image)
And in fact the settlements may be just a halfway point, a base camp, for where the expedition was heading?
So?
So I'm at Hawkin's Gap, or so I thought, the green icon is me...
Been exploring all round here but just been looking at maps, this isn't *actually* Hawkin's Gap?
It's even outside what you might consider to be the entrance to Hawkin's Gap, I seem to be in an area called Lip-Shu Hollow? (you can just see the text on the image)
And in fact the settlements may be just a halfway point, a base camp, for where the expedition was heading?
So?
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You make a very fair case, and I agree completely, looking back on it.
I guess I just figured that 33 years ago, technology would still be primitive-ish, and it'd be less like it is today.
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I am finding this hard to understand.
Could you provide me with a quick explanation?
He's suggesting the UA evolves into a flower ship like Pokemons.
The rest of today's itinerary:
Chi Orionis: Nothing to report but community-submitted content from Cmdrs Jaiotu & Corrigendum ("Metadrive Receives Counter Offer" 09 Sep 3302, "Sirius Accusations" 26 Sep 3302, "Cassiopeia Project Shares Results" 28 Nov 3302).
Ega: Nothing at all.
HR 6421: Nothing but community content submitted by Rifters and/or Children of Raxxla members.
So the full list is: Arcturus, Reorte, Riedquat, Persephone (sys.), Avalon (Persephone Stn.), Prism, Ishtar, Eshksomething, Zearla, Chi Orionis, Ega and HR 6421 checked for in-space POI (I don't have access to Horizons) and local news articles.
Chi Orionis: Nothing to report but community-submitted content from Cmdrs Jaiotu & Corrigendum ("Metadrive Receives Counter Offer" 09 Sep 3302, "Sirius Accusations" 26 Sep 3302, "Cassiopeia Project Shares Results" 28 Nov 3302).
Ega: Nothing at all.
HR 6421: Nothing but community content submitted by Rifters and/or Children of Raxxla members.
So the full list is: Arcturus, Reorte, Riedquat, Persephone (sys.), Avalon (Persephone Stn.), Prism, Ishtar, Eshksomething, Zearla, Chi Orionis, Ega and HR 6421 checked for in-space POI (I don't have access to Horizons) and local news articles.
About the Guy in alioth Raan Corsen right? The last video he released after the fall showed him well, and with ship, I think he is not there, maybe he is already flying around, just a matter of time until someone finds him.
This is an interesting theory, but my answer is that if this is true, it's laughable.
A. The compound is much too small to hold 1000 tons of anything inside all the buildings, much less 3.3 billion full-grown people. They'd need to spread out across a massive chunk of land. One on these colonies was halfway down a cliff. Not ideal environments for growing, raising, and housing a few dozen, much less a few billion people. Also, there're only (we think) 2 agricultural colonies for each expedition. Not enough food, in the slightest. They'd run out of food within seconds.
B. They're so far away from humanity it's ridiculous. Transporting 3.3 billion eggs is one thing, but 3.3 billion people is a heck of a lot harder. They'd need fleets of capital-class ships for each of these colonies, and people would notice what was going on when roughly 50-100 thousand of these things go flying off in three different directions from the bubble.
C. Why raise them so far away? Raise them in society, and make them blend in. It also keeps them closer to the people, allowing them to strike more efficiently because people could learn to trust them.
All in all, I think that this would not be the case.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks.
Safe travels cmdr
Zach
I had a list of ELWs searched/unsearched before kenworth posted his, I've added those of his to mine, less the one's already searched, link still in sig
Not that it is within 200LY, but you can check Eafots NN-Q d6-0 off the list. Will at least save someone from that trip. Description below.
Well, just for kicks I did go check out the ELW in Eafots NN-Q d6-0. This is a neutron star system with one ELW, and a water world with a landable moon. The last jump to this system is over 95LY. There is another neutron star I was able to get to with just my 42LY jump range at Eafots TO-O d7-2. Used that one to supercharge to get to this system. Anyway, nothing of interest around the ELW. Will finish checking out the rest of the system later.
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Alright, it's been said. Let's get crackin'.
I was wondering if anybody else noticed this.
All the missions to Hawkin's Gap seemed to be successful. As in, the missions were all completed. Every last one of those telemetry logs talk about coming home. While people did die in one of them (apparently killed for talking about the code the probe was giving off), and it was implied that a captain had been killed for getting too involved with the probes, the missions overall were finished, and everything was deployed.
For the Formidine Rift, it appears that only one of the four missions succeeded. It is possible, of course, that both missions where they were forced to land on a habitable planet were completed before being forced to land, but it is only recorded that one of them is finished.
For the Conflux region, well, we don't know. It seems like the one log we found was from a successful mission, where there was no recording of anything odd going on other than some guy thinking that he saw something in witchspace. It'd be interesting to see how many others were successful, of course.
I, for one, am wondering why the missions in the Formidine Rift failed so much. Alpha mission was killed by a lunatic, while others were going crazy around him. Beta was hyperdicted, and their hyperdrive was rendered useless, scrubbing their mission permanently. It still remains unclear about whether the ship made it to the planet or not, and if it did, how it could land. We also don't know if the scanners were functioning properly, if the hyperdrive was messed up. Also, there's the problem of the telemetry report being messed up due to a power failure. We don't know whether the colony had a power failure, or if it was the ship. If it was the ship, there's a chance that they had the same fate as Delta mission, where the ship was destroyed. (Maybe it could be the same as Delta mission?) If the ship wasn't destroyed, how could they land safely on the planet? Then, we have the Gamma mission. Gamma mission was successful, but they picked up a strange heat signature. Delta mission was destroyed, and the lone survivor was forced to go to a habitable planet. The same problems the Beta mission had arise for her, because we do not know if she ever actually made it there, how she could have landed, or if her scanners could be functioning improperly due to the power failure, and there was never an actual ELW in the area.
It seems fairly evident that all the missions were being stalked and attacked. It's clear that we can conclude that Alpha mission would have been attacked if they hadn't been killed by one of their own, and Gamma mission might've been attacked if they had hung around for a while longer.
So why didn't this happen for Hawkin's Gap? Why did they succeed so easily, and why were their missions fairly uneventful?
Another thing to point out is the Conflux mission. While we've only discovered the one, the mission clearly experienced a hyperdiction. Then, they see something, which we can probably conclude is one of these "flower ships". And then the guy never talks about it again. He never explains what happened, he never gives a theory, he never talks about what the other crew members are thinking.
Based on this, and the activity in the Formidine Rift, I'd like to propose a conjecture. Because the Hawkin's Gap mission experienced no ill will, absolutely no malevolent activity whatsoever, and the missions in the Formidine Rift were constantly being interrupted and destroyed, I think that the missions in the Conflux region will follow a pattern of non-violent involvement of whatever there is that's out there. The mission log that we've found has some sort of strange involvement in it, and then there's no more mention of it again. I have a (tinfoil-y) theory that whatever is out there is possibly brainwashing or memory-wiping the people on-board, to erase as much evidence as possible of their existence. Perhaps they just didn't realize there was a telemetry signal going out, or they couldn't figure out where it was going to. I further believe that the fates of these missions depends upon how much they infringe upon the territory of the "lurking evil"/"thargoids"/"guardians"/"Architects"/"god?", and they will be dealt with according to how close they are to something.
Hawkin's Gap is pretty far away from the Formidine Rift. It makes sense that anything out there would be left alone, if something closer to the Rift is being guarded. The Conflux Region is closer to the Rift, but only longitudinally. So they get involved (erase memories?), but don't kill you. Go too close to whatever they're guarding though, and they'll kill you (or try, anyways). The Bubble is alright because it's not aligned longitudinally with what they're guarding. It's also not far enough "out"/"down" to be a problem like the Rift is. However, there is enough "involvement" that we can guess that there's something out there from the crashed ships, barnacles, artifacts, and probes.
So, what are they guarding?
My guess would be something specific in the Outer Arm or the Formidine Rift area, possibly the area to the "west" of that.
I think it's odd that the amount of involvement and the intensity of it increases as humanity goes in a specific direction.
It's worth a bit of thought.
This isn't a bit of tinfoil. This isn't a hat of tinfoil. Not even a sombrero of tinfoil. This is an entire warehouse of tinfoil. Just so you know before you read more.
Alright, it's been said. Let's get crackin'.
I was wondering if anybody else noticed this.
All the missions to Hawkin's Gap seemed to be successful. As in, the missions were all completed. Every last one of those telemetry logs talk about coming home. While people did die in one of them (apparently killed for talking about the code the probe was giving off), and it was implied that a captain had been killed for getting too involved with the probes, the missions overall were finished, and everything was deployed.
For the Formidine Rift, it appears that only one of the four missions succeeded. It is possible, of course, that both missions where they were forced to land on a habitable planet were completed before being forced to land, but it is only recorded that one of them is finished.
For the Conflux region, well, we don't know. It seems like the one log we found was from a successful mission, where there was no recording of anything odd going on other than some guy thinking that he saw something in witchspace. It'd be interesting to see how many others were successful, of course.
I, for one, am wondering why the missions in the Formidine Rift failed so much. Alpha mission was killed by a lunatic, while others were going crazy around him. Beta was hyperdicted, and their hyperdrive was rendered useless, scrubbing their mission permanently. It still remains unclear about whether the ship made it to the planet or not, and if it did, how it could land. We also don't know if the scanners were functioning properly, if the hyperdrive was messed up. Also, there's the problem of the telemetry report being messed up due to a power failure. We don't know whether the colony had a power failure, or if it was the ship. If it was the ship, there's a chance that they had the same fate as Delta mission, where the ship was destroyed. (Maybe it could be the same as Delta mission?) If the ship wasn't destroyed, how could they land safely on the planet? Then, we have the Gamma mission. Gamma mission was successful, but they picked up a strange heat signature. Delta mission was destroyed, and the lone survivor was forced to go to a habitable planet. The same problems the Beta mission had arise for her, because we do not know if she ever actually made it there, how she could have landed, or if her scanners could be functioning improperly due to the power failure, and there was never an actual ELW in the area.
It seems fairly evident that all the missions were being stalked and attacked. It's clear that we can conclude that Alpha mission would have been attacked if they hadn't been killed by one of their own, and Gamma mission might've been attacked if they had hung around for a while longer.
So why didn't this happen for Hawkin's Gap? Why did they succeed so easily, and why were their missions fairly uneventful?
Another thing to point out is the Conflux mission. While we've only discovered the one, the mission clearly experienced a hyperdiction. Then, they see something, which we can probably conclude is one of these "flower ships". And then the guy never talks about it again. He never explains what happened, he never gives a theory, he never talks about what the other crew members are thinking.
Based on this, and the activity in the Formidine Rift, I'd like to propose a conjecture. Because the Hawkin's Gap mission experienced no ill will, absolutely no malevolent activity whatsoever, and the missions in the Formidine Rift were constantly being interrupted and destroyed, I think that the missions in the Conflux region will follow a pattern of non-violent involvement of whatever there is that's out there. The mission log that we've found has some sort of strange involvement in it, and then there's no more mention of it again. I have a (tinfoil-y) theory that whatever is out there is possibly brainwashing or memory-wiping the people on-board, to erase as much evidence as possible of their existence. Perhaps they just didn't realize there was a telemetry signal going out, or they couldn't figure out where it was going to. I further believe that the fates of these missions depends upon how much they infringe upon the territory of the "lurking evil"/"thargoids"/"guardians"/"Architects"/"god?", and they will be dealt with according to how close they are to something.
Hawkin's Gap is pretty far away from the Formidine Rift. It makes sense that anything out there would be left alone, if something closer to the Rift is being guarded. The Conflux Region is closer to the Rift, but only longitudinally. So they get involved (erase memories?), but don't kill you. Go too close to whatever they're guarding though, and they'll kill you (or try, anyways). The Bubble is alright because it's not aligned longitudinally with what they're guarding. It's also not far enough "out"/"down" to be a problem like the Rift is. However, there is enough "involvement" that we can guess that there's something out there from the crashed ships, barnacles, artifacts, and probes.
So, what are they guarding?
My guess would be something specific in the Outer Arm or the Formidine Rift area, possibly the area to the "west" of that.
I think it's odd that the amount of involvement and the intensity of it increases as humanity goes in a specific direction.
It's worth a bit of thought.
This particular part caught my eye in your wall of text, it's a bit of a coincidence that i was thinking about searching west from the sites in the Rift, but bare with me here.... I got this idea from Bitstorm's post about not actually being in hawkin's gap.. but the sites being situated before it, as you can see from his post, the sites are located near the beginning of Hawkin's area.
And i would upload screenshots... but we all know how that would go down! So if anyone can put up screenshots from what i'm about to say, it will be much appreciated, and easier to understand.
So first off if you take a look at the community made galaxy map outlining all areas of the galaxy (Formadine, Conflux, Hawkin's, Outer Arm, Perseus Arm etc etc) you can kind of comprehend how far away the Formadine Rift is, obviously from a bird's eye view..
Now taking a look in the Galaxy map in game and panning out towards where the Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta sites are, if you replicate the bird's eye view and compare the two maps together, you can see that the Formadine Rift is slightly more west on the community map
Now i have had a little browse to find roughly where the 'middle' of the Rift might be... and i have come to the conclusion that this 'middle' might be at the EAFORDS area. If you type in this, you should zoom to a place called EAFORDS AA-A G0, and again replicate the bird's eye view of both maps... it's pretty much roughly the same area. I also remember the Dev's saying that we are "broadly" in the area of the Formadine Rift.
Just my take on the situation.. thank's to Bitstorm for pointing it out in the Hawkin's area.
And yes this maybe a little tin-foily.. but as Adamrs has said, it's worth a bit of thought.
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Well just to repost then because I'm confused by it, was hoping someone could shed some light. Is the conclusion that the community map is wrong?
Green icon is where I am at the Hawkin's Gap settlements. But look where Hawkin's Gap is.
It seems the settlements are actually more in "Lip-Shu Hollow" (that bit of text you can barely make out under the green icon).
I'm just confused by it and don't know what to think, I am trying to explore the area, but does this imply the settlements are just a base camp and the actual expedition went waaay further? The base camp may even have just been a halfway point. Or is it just the map is incorrect?
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Yeah, Hawkin's Gap looks around 2000/3000 ly off, maybe more! I'm err... hoping the map isn't wrong, i have been using that map a lot! I cant say for sure though whether it's wrong or not... It's a long way off as well to go having a look around where it says Hawkin's Gap.
Hang on... i thought it was Hawkin's?? not Hawking's? Don't matter o.0 i will just get my coat and leave.
Hang on... i thought it was Hawkin's?? not Hawking's? Don't matter o.0 i will just get my coat and leave.
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The Formidine Rift bases aren't in the Formidine Rift, so why should the Hawking's Gap bases be in the Hawking's Gap?
Think of them as base camps for expeditions further into the 'mysterious' areas.
Aren't they Rally Points, not final destinations
Hah good spot.
Any idea how these names came about?
So it's feasible the expeditions went much deeper into actual Hawkin(g)'s Gap territory. Hmm, I'm happy to head in there, but without clues....
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So are we done for now and waiting for another content update from FD? Or is there actually still additional content to be discovered?
Specific questions for Drew:
- Are there more beacons in additional systems?
- Are there more outposts?
- Were these "rally point" outposts just staging areas for activity further out, or were they the endpoint of their expeditions?
- Are there more clues to find, or are we missing something in the existing clues (Galnet, books, logs, beacon data, etc.)?
I personally find it extremely discouraging to not know whether additional time spent exploring for clues is futile or not. And I think none of the mystery is lost when players are given guiding answers to questions like those above. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Specific questions for Drew:
- Are there more beacons in additional systems?
- Are there more outposts?
- Were these "rally point" outposts just staging areas for activity further out, or were they the endpoint of their expeditions?
- Are there more clues to find, or are we missing something in the existing clues (Galnet, books, logs, beacon data, etc.)?
I personally find it extremely discouraging to not know whether additional time spent exploring for clues is futile or not. And I think none of the mystery is lost when players are given guiding answers to questions like those above. Quite the opposite, in fact.