The Formidine Rift - Part 2

[Heisenberg6626]

Ran into route plotting anomaly crossing the Heisenberg bridge. My route plotter wouldn't plot from 07. MYOIDEAU GW-N C6-0 to
06. MYOIDEAU CH-D C12-0 but when I got to 06. MYOIDEAU CH-D C12-0, it would plot 06. MYOIDEAU CH-D C12-0 to 07. MYOIDEAU GW-N C6-0. 36 lyr jump range. Odd.

Hm, interesting. Thanks for checking! I myself was running in a ship with only 33 ly jump range max, and my nav computer plotted (slightly different) routes in both directions. Maybe it would be better to add one more star in between 6 and 7 to the list, so that all nav computers can handle the distance easily, in both directions.

Cheers, CMDRHeisenberg6626

 

[pipski1]

Hey Rifter-not-intended-to-be

Interesting map. Check out mine somewhere on page 154, I'd like you input on this. And come to FleetComm.

Cheers!

I spent some time looking at your space math and it looks very sound in terms of your distance across ~680ly. your entry points appear to be ~700 ly to the left and ~500ly to the right of the RR line respectively and your exit point is about 300 lys to the left (reverse that if you are looking from the bubble)

on my recent trip to bypass that region I basically did a 1kly-1kly-1kly ] shaped thing and that didn't require too much single jump plotting.

So definitely somewhere between 680 and 1000 ly should be the max distance to get across the Rift.

I'm a little tied up with RL nonsense this week so I wont be able to make your suggested trip this Saturday, but I will be heading back out in the next couple of weeks.

Your post mentioned doing it in a ship with a 30 ly jump range. That might be tough, I was using a stripped down conda with 39.6ly fully fueled jump range and I still got stuck pretty quickly.

Before jumping back into the rift for a rummage around I'm also gonna stock up on a bunch of jump mats, I hope not to have to use them but sometimes those low fuel 40ly+ jumps are scary!

 

[Belthize]

Hm, interesting. Thanks for checking! I myself was running in a ship with only 33 ly jump range max, and my nav computer plotted (slightly different) routes in both directions. Maybe it would be better to add one more star in between 6 and 7 to the list, so that all nav computers can handle the distance easily, in both directions.

Cheers, CMDRHeisenberg6626

Thanks for figuring out that route. I'd made a half hearted stab at it in my 31.x Asp a few weeks ago. Toodling around with 34 now and will likely make use of it in a week or two once I finished running this area I'm in to ground.

 

[CHOPP3R]

Although we are all guessing here, I am much more convinced that Drew is nudging us towards the original Core Worlds with this quote. If I recall correctly, there was a Galnet post at the time suggesting strange happenings with alien tech around Lave (can't find it now...), the Formidine Rift is defined as being just off the Reorte/Reidquat projected line, the Children of Raxxla's story starts at Tionisla etc. etc.

Drew is an original Elite '84 player who has spent considerable time playing and writing some great fiction in the Oolite universe. Also remember at the time of writing Reclamation the procedurally generated universe was nowhere near finalised. It thus follows that he would've based pieces of his narrative on places that he could guarantee would be there based on canon (Prism system aside, as I imagine it was specially created for Reclamation).

I'm going hunting for clues in the old worlds...

The only unusual post about Lave that I could find using the Galnet search was this. Hope it helps!
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https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/55c879a99657ba093c74acfe
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Following on though there is a Walden entry that mentions Kahina too.
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https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/17-MAY-3301

 

[Jaiotu]

Hm, interesting. Thanks for checking! I myself was running in a ship with only 33 ly jump range max, and my nav computer plotted (slightly different) routes in both directions. Maybe it would be better to add one more star in between 6 and 7 to the list, so that all nav computers can handle the distance easily, in both directions.

Cheers, CMDRHeisenberg6626

I hit the same problem. I had to navigate "down" a few jumps before I could plot a route from 6 to 7. The FuelRat who so graciously saved my butt followed the Heisenberg Passage in an Anaconda with a better jump range then me and he managed 6 to 7 fine but had a problem charting a course from 7 to 8. Seems to be a problem with the Nav computer not the route itself.

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The only unusual post about Lave that I could find using the Galnet search was this. Hope it helps!
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https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/55c879a99657ba093c74acfe
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Following on though there is a Walden entry that mentions Kahina too.
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https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/17-MAY-3301

Oh dear God... Are all of these John Grahams that show up in the different books Walden clones?

 

[Qohen Leth]

I spent some time looking at your space math and it looks very sound in terms of your distance across ~680ly. your entry points appear to be ~700 ly to the left and ~500ly to the right of the RR line respectively and your exit point is about 300 lys to the left (reverse that if you are looking from the bubble)

on my recent trip to bypass that region I basically did a 1kly-1kly-1kly ] shaped thing and that didn't require too much single jump plotting.

So definitely somewhere between 680 and 1000 ly should be the max distance to get across the Rift.

I'm a little tied up with RL nonsense this week so I wont be able to make your suggested trip this Saturday, but I will be heading back out in the next couple of weeks.

Your post mentioned doing it in a ship with a 30 ly jump range. That might be tough, I was using a stripped down conda with 39.6ly fully fueled jump range and I still got stuck pretty quickly.

Before jumping back into the rift for a rummage around I'm also gonna stock up on a bunch of jump mats, I hope not to have to use them but sometimes those low fuel 40ly+ jumps are scary!

I'll update my map tonight with your 'south' limit. Then we'd need only to find the 'north' drop in star density, and we'd have quite a precise location of a -technically speaking- rift in this area. I'm only starting on Saturday though, it's gonna take days to find a way and trilaterate all the systems Tbh, I started yesterday and found about a dozen jumps requiring no more than 31,6ly jump range.

Actually, it seems that Salomé's Clipper never left the dock, and that we just don't know precisely the ship she went there with. So I'll stick to the jump range of a stripped bare 'Conda, which was in game since the release ; but I will only use jump-o to match that range, since the <thing> doesn't require Horizons to be found.

Keeping the thread updated o7

 

[Elementalist]

Actually, it seems that Salomé's Clipper never left the dock, and that we just don't know precisely the ship she went there with. So I'll stick to the jump range of a stripped bare 'Conda, which was in game since the release ; but I will only use jump-o to match that range, since the <thing> doesn't require Horizons to be found.

Keeping the thread updated o7

That is true, but keep in mind that old Rebecca Weston managed to find the <thing> in a Cobra, either a Mk III, a SuperCobra, or a Cobra Courier. At any rate she did mention needing weapons to make it past the frontier in those days, so she probably wasn't using a stripped-down exploration loadout either. Either way if I remember correctly the numbers discussed earlier in the thread, her max jump range was most likely 24 Ly or less, but possibly 27 Ly. An Imperial Clipper could manage either, but only around 24 Ly if it's equipped for potential combat. I'm still of the opinion that Salomé's Clipper was originally intended to be the ship would take on her trip and the prototype modules were a decoy, butshe had to leave it behind due to whatever happened that required her presence on Capitol.

 

[Kleitias]

Maybe this has been brought up before but... *tin foil hat*...

""If you're listening to this it means your smart enough to have bypassed Galcop, Federation, and Imperial security." The woman on the video smiled. "Not bad, but it's nothing compared to what's coming. I'm guessing you'll be pressed for time so I'll be quick. You'll find the co-ordinates at the end of this message. You'll need a tough ship and a good pilot. It's a long way, so make sure you're prepped, no one will be around to help you out. Once you reach the rift you're going to have to plot a way across. There are no stars for dozens of light years and the dark systems haven't been mapped, so take your time, watch your six." The woman leaned in closer to the recording device. "What's there? Wish I could tell you, but they edited my memory pretty good, took me long enough to stitch this lot back together. Whatever it is, it's something that Galcop, the Imps and the Feds don't want us to see. Good luck, and ... right on, Commander."

Drew goes on to say consider the core of the problem...AKA finding the coordinates! ... then finishes with the statement... RIGHT ON COMMANDERS. Tell me this is not the clue we've all been looking for right in front of our bloody noses. It's a code for the coordinates...now just to figure it out.

I am not convinced. Someone in the Discord Rifters group - can't remember who it was - (IMHO rightly and cleverly) pointed out that if you consider the sentences after the video recording --

The holofac faded, leaving them with just the text. Salomé looked at Hassan with a mischievous grin. 'Shall we?'

-- then, if your assumption were right and the coordinates were not displayed clearly but coded in 'Good luck, and... right on, Commander.', Salomé wouldn't just grin and say 'Shall we?' but say 'Where are the damned coordinates? - Oh, they must be encoded somewhere in the message, let's see...'.

Based on this context, it is much, much more plausible to assume that the coordinates were simply displayed after the final words of the message, isn't it?

 

[hiciacit]

Oh dear God... Are all of these John Grahams that show up in the different books Walden clones?

John Graham being in all the books is a nod to the original Elite creators: 'David John Braben' and 'Ian Colin Graham Bell'.

 

[noreply]

The only unusual post about Lave that I could find using the Galnet search was this. Hope it helps!
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https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/55c879a99657ba093c74acfe
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Following on though there is a Walden entry that mentions Kahina too.
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https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/17-MAY-3301

Hey, thanks for doing this! Very interesting, but not the GalNet entries that I was remembering...

It looks like the one I was thinking of ("Wierd science in the old worlds") from 17th April 3301 has been subsequently redacted, but there are still links to it here, here and here.

I have no idea if this is actually a story-related breadcrumb in GalNet, or just some fluff put in to add some intrigue (think Generation Ships...). Likewise, Drew's comment of CMDRs may wish to consider the, ahem, core of the problem. was made a few days before this GalNet post hit. Correlated, or tinfoil?

 

[Jaiotu]

John Graham being in all the books is a nod to the original Elite creators: 'David John Braben' and 'Ian Colin Graham Bell'.

Braben and Bell are Walden clones!?!?!?!? MIND BLOWN.

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

Have any of the chaps out there found/explored any Asterism's?

They seem to be everywhere in the body of text, even Salome was at it (even on the logo thing). I assume they would have to be pretty prominent and easy to spot though as the stars thin out.

 

[SharkBiscuit]

Hey, thanks for doing this! Very interesting, but not the GalNet entries that I was remembering...

It looks like the one I was thinking of ("Wierd science in the old worlds") from 17th April 3301 has been subsequently redacted, but there are still links to it here, here and here.

I have no idea if this is actually a story-related breadcrumb in GalNet, or just some fluff put in to add some intrigue (think Generation Ships...). Likewise, Drew's comment of CMDRs may wish to consider the, ahem, core of the problem. was made a few days before this GalNet post hit. Correlated, or tinfoil?

I've been casually observing this thread, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

Are people remembering there are local galnet news items ONLY visible at a system's starport services? e.g. like at Orrere, there's the anaconda wreck coordinates. The Orrere Herald, carrier signal compromised.

That's my bet for we're we'll find real clues. Around "core" systems local galnets. Not just the galaxy galnet ones.

 

[frostypaw]

I think you're probably right about local news - I've been haunting Alioth (after the disappearance) on my returns to the bubble and included Prism in the last visit but no local news that stood out or interesting missions. I'm hoping the clues aren't morality-locked like F:FE's continuing mission tree

Still - I think it can be worked out with what we've got or I wouldn't be 2/3rds of the way to the rift and starting to develop explorer games.

Might be me?

http://www.edsm.net/user/travel-map/id/6443/cmdr/Taen

And the... sigh... great... thing.. for everybody here is, since my ship got destroyed by a planetary glitch yesterday, I can tell you that about 95% of those stars are undiscovered again. I'm not planning on going back for them. I never backtrack unless I have no choice. Highest jump was around 53ly.

I contacted FDev and although they couldn't restore my discoveries, they did credit their sale and rank value and were able to put my ship back into the system where the incident occurred (Had I rebought this wouldn't have been possible). And I got the opportunity to meet Buzz Aldrin today, so all told I still think I'm coming out ahead.

Damn! That's terrible luck - what happened?

I'll try not to trample your virtual footprints. Did you draw that neat line along the poseidal wall too? Please to forgive my little frosty paw prints if you come back. Dunno if I'll make it to all the same places mind - in an Asp with a comfy shade over 30lys but tonnes of range as wary of whatever it is being defended by unscoopables and thinking if the old lady made it in a cobra etc

We will see. Lots of jumps to go first. Thanks so much for doing it in EDSM so it shows up

 

[Jaiotu]

I've been casually observing this thread, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

Are people remembering there are local galnet news items ONLY visible at a system's starport services? e.g. like at Orrere, there's the anaconda wreck coordinates. The Orrere Herald, carrier signal compromised.

That's my bet for we're we'll find real clues. Around "core" systems local galnets. Not just the galaxy galnet ones.

The problem with that is tracking that news down. I often wonder how many articles get posted in local system news that NEVER gets read by any players. I for one am not going to go flying around to all the core worlds trying to see of any new articles are up. That would be a full time job. Not a job I'm going to do.

What the news feeds need is the ability to subscribe to news from specific systems. When I visit Lave and check the news I should have an option to "opt in" to receive future news from Lave directly in my Galnet feed. There are quite a few systems that I'd love to keep tabs on but ... I'm 7,000Ly outside the Bubble. I'm not going to run back just to check the news feed. Heck ... even 200Ly is too far to travel JUST to check the news.

If Frontier is going to tell a major story arc using local news that can only be read while docked in that system ... they'll likely be telling the story to nobody.

 

[frostypaw]

The problem with that is tracking that news down. I often wonder how many articles get posted in local system news that NEVER gets read by any players. I for one am not going to go flying around to all the core worlds trying to see of any new articles are up. That would be a full time job. Not a job I'm going to do.

What the news feeds need is the ability to subscribe to news from specific systems. When I visit Lave and check the news I should have an option to "opt in" to receive future news from Lave directly in my Galnet feed. There are quite a few systems that I'd love to keep tabs on but ... I'm 7,000Ly outside the Bubble. I'm not going to run back just to check the news feed. Heck ... even 200Ly is too far to travel JUST to check the news.

If Frontier is going to tell a major story arc using local news that can only be read while docked in that system ... they'll likely be telling the story to nobody.

So SO right! I spent my early play time building up rep and getting cozy with er.... some bunch over there, did loads of missions had fun came to care then crossed the bubble..... now a week later can't remember who or what for the life of me. Connection lost, not through intent just sheer weight of names and places - being subscribed to my 'home' system's news would have helped hugely and encouraged me to return and stay feeling involved

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I picked up a large data store in a salvageable wreck POI, but it showed zero galactic value & illegal, so I dropped it. If I'd taken it to a landable planet & dropped it could I have downloaded its data via the SRV datascanner?

 

[Jaiotu]

I picked up a large data store in a salvageable wreck POI, but it showed zero galactic value & illegal, so I dropped it. If I'd taken it to a landable planet & dropped it could I have downloaded its data via the SRV datascanner?

Worth a try. I never thought of that.

 

[SharkBiscuit]

The problem with that is tracking that news down. I often wonder how many articles get posted in local system news that NEVER gets read by any players. I for one am not going to go flying around to all the core worlds trying to see of any new articles are up. That would be a full time job. Not a job I'm going to do.

What the news feeds need is the ability to subscribe to news from specific systems. When I visit Lave and check the news I should have an option to "opt in" to receive future news from Lave directly in my Galnet feed. There are quite a few systems that I'd love to keep tabs on but ... I'm 7,000Ly outside the Bubble. I'm not going to run back just to check the news feed. Heck ... even 200Ly is too far to travel JUST to check the news.

If Frontier is going to tell a major story arc using local news that can only be read while docked in that system ... they'll likely be telling the story to nobody.

Tend to agree. It's certainly not ideal and I'm sure frontier know it, are addressing it. Needle in a huge haystack whether blindly searching the rift, or blindly checking core system local galnets stories. To me, drews hint on the "core" sounds like the latter, plus it fits with a game mechanic thats been in the game for a long time, even if most people aren't aware of it, let alone believe it, e.g. persistent poi, albeit a surface one. (the conda wreck is real, even though many dismissed the Galnet clue as typical frontier fiction not even built in game yet.)
Just my 2c anyway.

 

[Dommarraa]

I picked up a large data store in a salvageable wreck POI, but it showed zero galactic value & illegal, so I dropped it. If I'd taken it to a landable planet & dropped it could I have downloaded its data via the SRV datascanner?

I have heard it several times, sometimes with the suggestion that it has been tried and works. However, always in a 3rd hand manner (just like this), someone reliable needs to test it and say Yah or Nah