The Formidine Rift - Part 2

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Erimus Kamzel

Erimus Kamzel
Dommarraa said:
Looking at the new map gives me more hope, and for me, restricts the search area very nicely.
CoR Patrol zone is pretty much centered on the RR-Line, so that can remain the center of any search area.
The Patrol zone covers about 7 degrees either side of the RR-Line, so the search area could be restricted to within that. You don't set a forward observation position when the enemies normal movement would flank you. Personally I will be looking within 5 degrees at most, it is still a vast area, but a lot smaller than 20 degrees or so that was previously under consideration to include for the Bovomit crew.

The fact that the Patrol area is pulled back from the Wall/Rift by a good distance, suggests (only suggests) that the source is in or close to the far side of the Rift. It would be a lot more efficient to Patrol the very edge of the Rift as there are a lot less stars, and not to do this implies it would be a little close to the enemy in case of any movement.
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The current patrol zone is only phase 1 though, phase 2 (approximations marked on the map) covers a much larger area, almost triple by the looks of it. Still centered on the RR line though. We're not sure what Phase II is all about except at some point a doubling of the initial patrols may be required to cover a wider area. I guess it all depends on how the story unfolds.


Edit: also the blue markers not only stretch along a pretty straight line, they gradually drop deep below the galactic plane too. I think wp 2 is 200-300 LYs above wp 7, with a gradual decline along the route.
 
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Baron von Schnellenstein

Baron von Schnellenstein
CHOPP3R said:
You can try my all singing, all dancing, go anywhere, do anything Exploraconda build if you like! My scientific research vessel that can actually punch its way out of a paper bag and still do 33LY jumps.

All on a decent budget ... [SNIP]. We come in peace.. Shoot to kill.

DoraTheConda
http://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda/...ZlA=.MwBhCYQRjK-hiqhKK5iSkA==?bn=DoraTheConda
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+1 Rep @CHOPP3R! Thanks for the advice. I like the versatility of that build, esp the fuel limpet transferrer - shame on me from omitting it from the 35ly build!

I'm still a bit touchy about range, but I've settled on this:
http://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda/...BD5wsALMBaxort2cQA===?bn=BvS_Exp_Anaconda_MkV

It will go 33ly on a full tank and carrying 8T limpets in case someone friendly needs a top-up. It'll sneak in for 35.5ly on a half-tank, so I suppose I get to 'keep' my 35ly ;)

"We come in peace, 'they' go in pieces"!?
 

Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Erimus said:
I don't know what Qohen's doing to be honest. Is it linked to the current Rift survey that's going on out there, set up by Dommaarra? I've been too busy to follow this thread closely, but will try and catch up :)


The actual dimensions of the Rift will never be known. I doubt even Drew knows. He gave us a clue of where it was, the rest he has left to the community to fill in the blanks and create a whole mythos around it. But as far back as March & April last year, when CoR went out there, I created the initial Rift map for them and described it on the original Formidine Rift thread set up by Thorn (CoRs founder), and Drew pretty much acknowledged it was in the right place.

If I had to guess, I would say the Poseidal Wall is the heart of the Rift, and the Rifts near border is where Salomé has referenced the border patrol markers (the blue numbers), or it possibly stretches into the Perseus arm as far as the Wayfarers Graveyard (considering the number of salvageable wreck signal sources you find out there). The southeastern edge of the rift probably stretches all the way until the Outer arm fades into intergalactic space (i.e. the Outer Arm Vacuus on the mapping project thread). The Rifts northwestern borders I would say stretches around the interarm void, and probably fades somewhere between Bovomit and Sidgoir. The far border could be anywhere from the near edge of the Outer arm and out to the galactic rim. These dimensions are all speculation of course, and mainly based on my belief that Bovomit could have a role to play one day with the Rift mystery.

Whatever its dimensions, there are millions of star systems out there and to find the right one, and then recognize whatever "it" is within it is going to take years of coordinated effort. The story will be well and truly over and done with by then. We need more clues, more Galnet articles, or its never going to happen imho.

Anyway, I'll be adding regional borders to the Rift map that will give it more structure. Once done, I'll ask Drew if it looks right but I don't expect a straight answer from him! :)
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Erimus, I think you should talk to Qohen.

He and a few other CMDRs are already doing a LOT of work mapping areas of the Rift. It would benefit the overall project immensely and would probably save duplication of effort.
 

Erimus Kamzel

Erimus Kamzel
Genar-Hofoen said:
Erimus, I think you should talk to Qohen.

He and a few other CMDRs are already doing a LOT of work mapping areas of the Rift. It would benefit the overall project immensely and would probably save duplication of effort.
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Ok, I've read up on it and they're two completely different projects. The work on EDSM is taking the old data from the Galactic Mapping Project and transferring it into the interactive map. It covers the whole galaxy and the history of exploration POIs submitted by players since February last year. Its something Corban, Finwen, and myself talked about months ago but delayed due to Distant Worlds. It'll mark out the galactic highway, famous travel routes, and historic locations, as well as all prominent POIs from around the galaxy. Its an on-going project for the exploration community to submit POIs to and have them added to the maps.

What Qohen has started doing is excellent, but its specific to one location and one event, and it goes into a far more detailed level than what is needed for the community mapping project. I think the search area he's marking out could be added at some point as an overall POI with a history statement of what happened there and why. But there's not much the mapping team can add from the Rift quest at the moment.
 
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Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Erimus said:
Ok, I've read up on it and they're two completely different projects. The work on EDSM is taking the old data from the Galactic Mapping Project and transferring it into the interactive map. It covers the whole galaxy and the history of exploration POIs submitted by players since February last year. Its something Corban, Finwen, and myself talked about months ago but delayed due to Distant Worlds. It'll mark out the galactic highway, famous travel routes, and historic locations, as well as all prominent POIs from around the galaxy. Its an on-going project for the exploration community to submit POIs to and have them added to the maps.

What Qohen has started doing is excellent, but its specific to one location and one event, and it goes into a far more detailed level than what is needed for the community mapping project. I think the search area he's marking out could be added at some point as an overall POI with a history statement of what happened there and why. But there's not much the mapping team can add from the Rift quest at the moment.
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So that mapping project above isn't specifically to do with this Formidine Rift mystery, thread, and the related discussion? Just asking because I'm genuinely confused now :)
 

Dommarraa

Dommarraa
Genar-Hofoen said:
So that mapping project above isn't specifically to do with this Formidine Rift mystery, thread, and the related discussion? Just asking because I'm genuinely confused now :)
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Erimus's Project is not Rift related, although the resulting maps will surely be useful
Qohen's Project IS Rift related.
 
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Erimus Kamzel

Erimus Kamzel
Genar-Hofoen said:
So that mapping project above isn't specifically to do with this Formidine Rift mystery, thread, and the related discussion? Just asking because I'm genuinely confused now :)
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Correct :)

This is the Mapping Project. Link : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=116450

Its been on going since February last year, and up until the end of Distant Worlds it had been a one man team collating all the submitted data and marking them on the maps. But now there is a team bringing the old 2D maps and all the data they contain into ANthorNet's EDSM. Basically a total revamp of the old way of doing things.

The Formidine Rift mystery has nothing to do with the mapping project, and vice versa.

I posted a sneak preview of EDSM on here to show how much it'll differ from the old style 2D map I posted of the Rift region earlier.
 
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Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Erimus said:
Correct :)

This is the Mapping Project. Link : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=116450

Its been on going since February last year, and up until the end of Distant Worlds it had been a one man team collating all the submitted data and marking them on the maps. But now there are a team of us bringing the old 2D maps and all the data they contain into ANthorNet's EDSM. Basically a total revamp of the old way of doing things.

The Formidine Rift mystery has nothing to do with the mapping project, and vice versa.

I posted a sneak preview of EDSM to show how much it'll differ from the old style 2D map I posted of the Rift region earlier.
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Phew cleared up at last!

Thanks ;)
 

Muetdhiver

Muetdhiver
DrewCarnegie said:
To be fair, 'without any reasonable and logical backup' applies to pretty much this entire thread
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Indeed.

It would be good to put up only testable* hypothesis and go at it. It would increase the Signal over Noise ratio manyfold.
Instead, we got a few interesting ideas burried into heaps of "I got an idea leading to no workable hypothesis" posts.

*testable as : go out there, survey. cross from the list if does not pan out.
 
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Dommarraa

Dommarraa
Rudolphus said:
I say it again to get access to Bovomit systems is the way to go
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The best argument for Bovomit, is that it would be really cool. Cos it would.
However, thats it. Apart from being unknown and in the same quadrant as the current unknown in question, it has no evidence either circumstantial or otherwise linking it to the Rift.

Its a shame, I would love to gain access
 

Arjin

Arjin
As I have quickly found out, logic does not apply to this particular mystery. I therefore officially recant all of my previous theories.
 
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frostypaw

frostypaw
I think Bovomit is a mislead. As earlier I think the rift wasn't meant to point us towards locked suspicious areas - way too easy and inaccessible when we have word this was reachable since gamma.

I think we need something geometric - the system naming is too awkward to be shoehorned in and the coordinates are denied us, however we have some good landmarks.

There's the RR line and then once in the Rift there's very very little to see apart from clouds of dust. So I figure this cannot be the location - we've been told you can see the galaxy just hanging there and frankly in spots it's very dark. So I think we need to be above or below the plane

You can see one visual landmark - NGC 7538 is visible as a black dot from anywhere above the plane then it occurred to me - what if...
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That'd give us an intersection. Shall go try and line these up after exhausting these dead ends I think.
 
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CHOPP3R

CHOPP3R
Baron von Schnellenstein said:
+1 Rep @CHOPP3R! Thanks for the advice. I like the versatility of that build, esp the fuel limpet transferrer - shame on me from omitting it from the 35ly build!

I'm still a bit touchy about range, but I've settled on this:
http://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda/...BD5wsALMBaxort2cQA===?bn=BvS_Exp_Anaconda_MkV

It will go 33ly on a full tank and carrying 8T limpets in case someone friendly needs a top-up. It'll sneak in for 35.5ly on a half-tank, so I suppose I get to 'keep' my 35ly ;)

"We come in peace, 'they' go in pieces"!?
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Looks good! I tweaked the power management a bit and put you a cargo scanner in there. If you do come across a weird ship you can check what it's carrying for science then if you need to. Put you a faster fuel scoop in too which saves you 20 mil, and an SRV bay that takes two SRVs.. You never know. :)

Doesn't change the range too much.

http://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda/...hCYzBGW+896hMR5jRNIA=?bn=BvS_Exp_Anaconda_MkV
 
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Dommarraa said:
The best argument for Bovomit, is that it would be really cool. Cos it would.
However, thats it. Apart from being unknown and in the same quadrant as the current unknown in question, it has no evidence either circumstantial or otherwise linking it to the Rift.

Its a shame, I would love to gain access
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Wait until the Great Threat comes out to chase the Rifters; maybe they'll leave the door open!
;-))
 

Qohen Leth

Qohen Leth
Don't want to add to the stuff, but having spent some time in the Rift, I noticed a couple things that make me think I may be onto something here.
RUNNING OUT OF TINFOIL ALREADY?
WHAT A SHAME!
 
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