yes its suitably enigmatic just like everything else
The Formidine Rift - Part 2
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yes its suitably enigmatic just like everything else
2 points make a perfectly accurate line. You need 3 for an inaccurate line.
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2 points simply make a straight line, but not necessarily an accurate line...
Two points define a precise line. Until we know where *it* is we have no way to gauge it's accuracy.
So for now the RR-Line is as accurate as we get. Whether it's accurate to sub LY or off by 1000LY remains to be seen.
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More deliberations to mull over...
In certain aspects of spirituality, the route to Enlightenment is by casting aside the seven veils: (in order of being discarded)
7: Red - awareness of the self
6: Yellow - Awareness of the other world
5: Pink - Awareness of love
4: Blue - Awareness of the animals and elements
3: Deep Blue - Awareness of Angels and aliens
2: Violet - Awareness of the interconnected cosmos
1: Clear /crystal - Awareness of heaven (death) ..... you have to die to be enlightened....
Anyway, I've looked at Salome - In biblical stories, she is the daughter of Herodias. Herodias married her own uncle, Herod Antipan. John the Baptist wasn't keen on the relationship and was vocal about it. Salome asked for John's head as payment in kind for a dance for Herod, but was prompted by her mother. 7 Veils are not mentioned, and it is suggested that the dance was actually just the antics of a cute kid, rather than a dance ending in nakedness.... the 7 veils dance is a Western invention.
Biblical references:
Matthew 14:6-11
Mark 6:21-28
This biblical story may be a re-telling of the legend of Ishtar - one of the references in that one being the ritual leaving of jewelry. Ishtar is represented by an 8-pointed star. She passed through the 7 gates of the underworld, leaving an item of clothing at each one. Oddly, she was wearing 7 items of clothing.... A Lapis LAzuli flute is mentioned. I think Lapis Lazuli is green... In part of the story, a person can only leave the underworld if someone else takes their place....
Kahina is derived from the Arabic Al-Kahinah, meaning 'fortune teller'.
Tin foil time:
Kahina had to go, so Salome could appear.
'Core of the problem' = CoR = Children of Raxxla
This is like one of those magic eye puzzles.... it will be so damn obvious AFTER we've been told what it is.
In certain aspects of spirituality, the route to Enlightenment is by casting aside the seven veils: (in order of being discarded)
7: Red - awareness of the self
6: Yellow - Awareness of the other world
5: Pink - Awareness of love
4: Blue - Awareness of the animals and elements
3: Deep Blue - Awareness of Angels and aliens
2: Violet - Awareness of the interconnected cosmos
1: Clear /crystal - Awareness of heaven (death) ..... you have to die to be enlightened....
Anyway, I've looked at Salome - In biblical stories, she is the daughter of Herodias. Herodias married her own uncle, Herod Antipan. John the Baptist wasn't keen on the relationship and was vocal about it. Salome asked for John's head as payment in kind for a dance for Herod, but was prompted by her mother. 7 Veils are not mentioned, and it is suggested that the dance was actually just the antics of a cute kid, rather than a dance ending in nakedness.... the 7 veils dance is a Western invention.
Biblical references:
Matthew 14:6-11
Mark 6:21-28
This biblical story may be a re-telling of the legend of Ishtar - one of the references in that one being the ritual leaving of jewelry. Ishtar is represented by an 8-pointed star. She passed through the 7 gates of the underworld, leaving an item of clothing at each one. Oddly, she was wearing 7 items of clothing.... A Lapis LAzuli flute is mentioned. I think Lapis Lazuli is green... In part of the story, a person can only leave the underworld if someone else takes their place....
Kahina is derived from the Arabic Al-Kahinah, meaning 'fortune teller'.
Tin foil time:
Kahina had to go, so Salome could appear.
'Core of the problem' = CoR = Children of Raxxla
This is like one of those magic eye puzzles.... it will be so damn obvious AFTER we've been told what it is.
dynamicbob
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So procedural gen CO-R systems maybe
Just ever so slightly off-topic: I just finished the audiobook version of Reclamation, and it was damn good. Thouroughly enjoyed it. And the voice really sparked some nostalgia in me; he really sounded like Richard Burton voicing The War of the Worlds.
I didn't really take away any hints from it, but then again I didn't expect to, since all clues regarding the Rift from Reclamation have already been posted here, but I really enjoyed the story nonetheless.
It does however make me wonder something. The ending really leaves quite a bit of room for a sequel, and I can't help but ask myself if Drew perhaps is very eager to write a sequel, but he just really can't right now because we haven't found "it" yet, and a sequel would definitely give away way too much.
Ah, the irony of success I guess
Anyway, just wanted to say this whole Rifting business has lead to me undertaking my most ambitious exploration run yet, and had me listen to a beautiful story while doing it as well.
I didn't really take away any hints from it, but then again I didn't expect to, since all clues regarding the Rift from Reclamation have already been posted here, but I really enjoyed the story nonetheless.
It does however make me wonder something. The ending really leaves quite a bit of room for a sequel, and I can't help but ask myself if Drew perhaps is very eager to write a sequel, but he just really can't right now because we haven't found "it" yet, and a sequel would definitely give away way too much.
Ah, the irony of success I guess
Anyway, just wanted to say this whole Rifting business has lead to me undertaking my most ambitious exploration run yet, and had me listen to a beautiful story while doing it as well.VampyreGTX
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Just ever so slightly off-topic: I just finished the audiobook version of Reclamation, and it was damn good. Thouroughly enjoyed it. And the voice really sparked some nostalgia in me; he really sounded like Richard Burton voicing The War of the Worlds.
I didn't really take away any hints from it, but then again I didn't expect to, since all clues regarding the Rift from Reclamation have already been posted here, but I really enjoyed the story nonetheless.
It does however make me wonder something. The ending really leaves quite a bit of room for a sequel, and I can't help but ask myself if Drew perhaps is very eager to write a sequel, but he just really can't right now because we haven't found "it" yet, and a sequel would definitely give away way too much.
Ah, the irony of success I guess
Drew said in the recent Podcast that he has not begun writing a sequel as FDev have not granted any further licenses. Until they do, no-one can write any additional novels.
Well, it ain't EAFOTS CO-R B 18-0... nothing but a lonely T-Tauri here. Interesting placement in that you have to look through the Heart Nebula to see the bubble....
dynamicbob
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Theres thousands of CO-R systems but perhaps mapping all of them could be something someone does over time
Ah ok, didn't know that, thanks. I can imagine FDev want to tread carefully untill they have got a clear picture of how they want to move the multiple storylines forward. That being said, I do get the feeling FDev don't really have a vision about this themselves, they seem to be all over the place regarding different storylines. I might be wrong, but that's the feeling I get. I don't know to what extent Drew has contact with FD, but perhaps it wouldn't hurt shoving some of the storytelling-aspects his way, seeing as that's what he's good at, and FD can concentrate on the developing. I don't know jack-squat about game development though, so perhaps they already have scriptwriters employed. in which case everybody can ignore me
I, for one, will be extremely disappointed if the solution is brute-forceable.
Legacy_LuckyLuke
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We are playing the sequel right now
and yes, the audiobook is stunning. Welcome to the rifters 
Yes, well ... to quote Christoff from the movie The Truman Show, "we accept the reality with which we are presented." If our universe is a simulation and it did have bugs would we recognize them as bugs or would we invent a religion or a scientific theory to explain the bug away?
I can imagine how the explorers in Elite must try and explain how whole patches of stars near the galactic center appear in perfect squares. There must be some science behind it, right?
I was thinking more tongue in cheek. Say for example Donald Trump or the K West bloke.
Can someone please remind me if Drew said anything about a wolf or something?
dynamicbob
Banned
so we can check all the wolf named stars as well as another option ?
I don't recall Drew saying anything about a wolf already or not. However, the Prism system's planets are all named after member of the family of Autolycus. Oddly, Autolycus is missing from the system and his name means "The Wolf Himself". I believe the subject was covered thoroughly in the 1st Formidine Rift thread.
I re-listened to Drew's radio interview and found myself if anything more in the wilderness. Drew had two basic points:
I've personally read every Kahina related galnet article many many 10s of times, pouring over potential meanings so I decided to start fresh yet again with the above factors in mind.
Salome's Story and It
Maybe early on Kahina is just being Kahina and not explicitly looking for It. Viewed in that light the Galnet posts take on a different tenor.
So given the above possibly we're not looking for a clue to IT, we're looking for a clue to where to pick up the thread and follow. That just opens up a whole 'nuther can of worms because it could point back into the bubble and not out in the rift. If anything it increases the problem space, at least until somebody finds something and we're already floundering.
For what it's worth I've visited every system in book and in Kahina articles looking for missions or USSes, I've even panned around in the debug camera looking for grafitti clues scribbled on docking bay walls. Zip zilch nada.
Galnet Mysteries
In addition to the standard ones I've read and re-read every Galnet article posted within weeks of the canonical Kahina articles. I've poured over the canonical ones till I'm pretty sure I can type them from memory. I've run them through filters, I've counted commas, looked for keywords. Other than the EasterEgg a few weeks ago I never found anything.
If there's a hidden clue in them I have the following problem, who put them there ?
On a side note it's particularly annoying that system galnet messages only go back to October 6th 3301. Any clue that was hidden in a local system news feed is now long gone.
So after spending yet more time mulling over all of that, following up on a few leads I've come to two conclusions.
Certainly all the major powers and all the other books are hinting that somethings out there and something's coming. The major books all set the stage for some major conflict with an external entity. It's been building up all year with both the Empire and Feds building big new ships and now the Engineers. So quite possibly the ship has sailed (or is in the dock and weighing anchor in about 3 to 4 weeks) and we'll just have to hop on and sail away with it. More simply we just have to wait for new clues because the chance of getting ahead of the story is now gone.
What I find most frustrating about the whole thing is it's like the BGS. I can't tell when a false trail is simply because there's a bug and the mission isn't triggering or galnet borked up a post or whether I'm just wrong. I do know that those bloody Diamond-Eye missions don't spawn a lot of the time and when they do spawn they don't complete properly 90% of the time.
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Edit: In no way shape or form should the above post be viewed as negative commentary. I love this mystery, it's my way of trying to break the pattern we're currently in (and have been in) and possibly grasp at some straws.
- Salome's story is likely more complicated than Girl sees clue, girl finds clue, masses follow girl to mystery spot
- We've missed things in Galnet
I've personally read every Kahina related galnet article many many 10s of times, pouring over potential meanings so I decided to start fresh yet again with the above factors in mind.
Salome's Story and It
Maybe early on Kahina is just being Kahina and not explicitly looking for It. Viewed in that light the Galnet posts take on a different tenor.
- In the first post she's sent to Sol by Blaine, not on her own. She doesn't want to be late but possibly not late for a meeting set up for her.
- Similarly in the second post (be nice to know which is correct date, 6th or 9th of March 3301), so maybe it's not the equinox and a coordinate but an intersection with another thread
- There's a fair bit going on in around then. A lot of civil unrest, particularly around Lugh and in the Empire. I've read all the surrounding articles though and came up empty-ish.
- Maybe she's initially embroiled in the Empire and Federation intrigue and that's what makes her throw in the towel (I really suspect it was Drew's frustration with PP).
So given the above possibly we're not looking for a clue to IT, we're looking for a clue to where to pick up the thread and follow. That just opens up a whole 'nuther can of worms because it could point back into the bubble and not out in the rift. If anything it increases the problem space, at least until somebody finds something and we're already floundering.
For what it's worth I've visited every system in book and in Kahina articles looking for missions or USSes, I've even panned around in the debug camera looking for grafitti clues scribbled on docking bay walls. Zip zilch nada.
Galnet Mysteries
In addition to the standard ones I've read and re-read every Galnet article posted within weeks of the canonical Kahina articles. I've poured over the canonical ones till I'm pretty sure I can type them from memory. I've run them through filters, I've counted commas, looked for keywords. Other than the EasterEgg a few weeks ago I never found anything.
If there's a hidden clue in them I have the following problem, who put them there ?
- If it's Salome herself then that suggests she wants us to follow and the clue would be in what she says. I haven't seen a lot there.
- If it's in the text then that suggests there's some external agency trying to send a message. If so what message and why. Is it the Dark Wheel ? if I don't know the point of the message I don't know what to look for. Coordinates have a pattern, word messages have a different one. If it's some double layer thing like find the letters then run them through a cipher then good luck without a major hint (see eb,p)
- If it's just Drew putting in clues as author then all bets are off. They could be of any form and I have no way of guessing the intent or the agency and therefore I have no way to tell if the pattern I see is a clue or just random characters.
On a side note it's particularly annoying that system galnet messages only go back to October 6th 3301. Any clue that was hidden in a local system news feed is now long gone.
So after spending yet more time mulling over all of that, following up on a few leads I've come to two conclusions.
- I find it interesting that 2 days before the first Kahina article Jaques made a grand return to the bubble. Now, once things are spinning up, he's returned as a point of focus after a hiatus that mysteriously overlaps Salome's. If there's a connection then it's potentially as much a real world one as an in game one (e.g. Jaques is also somehow a Drew Agent)
- I have squat. After all the above I have more questions than answers.
Certainly all the major powers and all the other books are hinting that somethings out there and something's coming. The major books all set the stage for some major conflict with an external entity. It's been building up all year with both the Empire and Feds building big new ships and now the Engineers. So quite possibly the ship has sailed (or is in the dock and weighing anchor in about 3 to 4 weeks) and we'll just have to hop on and sail away with it. More simply we just have to wait for new clues because the chance of getting ahead of the story is now gone.
What I find most frustrating about the whole thing is it's like the BGS. I can't tell when a false trail is simply because there's a bug and the mission isn't triggering or galnet borked up a post or whether I'm just wrong. I do know that those bloody Diamond-Eye missions don't spawn a lot of the time and when they do spawn they don't complete properly 90% of the time.
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Edit: In no way shape or form should the above post be viewed as negative commentary. I love this mystery, it's my way of trying to break the pattern we're currently in (and have been in) and possibly grasp at some straws.
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