The Formidine Rift - Part 2

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Update on letters! \o/

1) words that appear in the lot :

ARE
YOU
READY
GO
GREY
DRY
DARE
DREAD
DEGREE
REG
RED
GREEDY
WAY
AWAY
HERE
WE
ARRAY
RAY

And probably a lot more.

2) If we accept that GRAEH spelled backwards can mean HEART, then we accept a slight margin of error in interprepting the names (just to confuse us!). Then the six names can be read (broadly) as READY YOUR HEART, ------- READY YOUR. Or any meaning that seems mroe appropriate. EOWYG is weird. I keep seeing 'WE GO'.

3) 'the core of the problem'. The only CORE of the problem I see here is DREW! What about his appearance in the letters, and what about removing them from the lot, are finding a sentence with DREW as a word?
 
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I'd imagine Sag A is off limits anyhow. Anyhow, it's a nice side topic while the brain works on Drews stuff. Seems like there actually might be a mechanic there. Always nice to figure out...after all, why let you into any black hole?
 
Postcard from above

Around / above Cave Nebula heading towards the rift.
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A view back towards the core.
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yes, the image quality is poor, playing on my Surface Pro 3, 1k resolution, everything to low to get 25 fps.
 
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I'm not a big fan of trying to organize a fleet of commanders jumping around in a vast area of space trying to find a trace of whatever it is we may be looking for. While it might be in line with some of ED's grindy gameplay, the odds are stacked heavily against that approach, I think. It would also not be a game I'd be interested in playing, and I'm trusting in Drew to have put in enough clues for us to guide us to what we want to find, even it requires a bit of 'wanderlust' to get there. (Who says the 'secret/mystery of the rift' is actually to be found in the rift itself by the way?)

I got intrigued by the chronological correspondence of the GalNet articles and the epilogue of Reclamation, and tried to puzzle together what might have happened, all the while trying to 'read between the lines'. I came up with a few things that I think might be worth considering.

THE IMPERIAL DATA BANKS
Salome/Kahina did not go to Achenar to access the Imperial data banks. In fact she did not go to Achenar voluntarily, but was summoned by Chancelor Baine (stated twice on GalNet). It seems unlikely that Achenar was where she accessed the Imperial data banks based on other hints as well: the epilogue of Reclamation describes the room they are in when accessing the data bank as a room that
Reclamation - Epilogue said:
... was featureless; gunmetal grey walls surrounded them on all sides, the only illumination provided by the glowing holofac projector.
They used that holofac to access the data banks and the GalNet article on her disappearance explicitly mentions that the holofac in her quarters on Achenar was not used, suggesting the actions from the epilogue occurred elsewhere. As a side note, maybe we shouldn't at all assume she accessed these data banks where they are physically stored (as if actually breaking into a library), but rather by hacking into them remotely (maybe not even from an Imperial world?). She herself says in the epilogue of Reclamation that she:
Reclamation - Epilogue said:
"...had to pay a lot of money to get an access code."
So where were they when they accessed these data banks? And when did they access the data banks (before or after her disappearance)?

THE RR LINE AND THE OLD WOMAN'S CO-ORDINATES
The epilogue mentions that when they find the video message, it was accompanied by some text:
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The holofac faded leaving them with just the text. Salome looked at Hasan with a mischievous grin. "Shall we?"
To quote myself from an earlier post:
This is how I always read that part of the epilogue: they watch the holofac of the old woman talking to them, and when it's done they are left with 'just the text', which I assumed contained the co-ordinates the woman refers to in her spoken message.
More detail is provided earlier in the epilogue. The query for 'Formidine Rift' takes a while to retrieve results from the Imperial data banks, and Salome/Kahina is paying attention to anything related to what the old woman said in the hospital:
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[Salome:] "She said something about plotting a course from Reorte to ... ah, there it is!"
"Somebody has a sense of humour," Hasan said, scanning the text. "The friendliest place this side of Riedquat? Nice choice ..."
Does this imply the old woman was not entirely accurate in the hospital (memory tampered with, been through a lot, under influence of heavy medication) and the line is not from Reorte to Riedquat, but from Reorte to X (= the friendliest place this side of Riedquat)? Further hints with regards to the type of system X is (friendliest this side of Riedquat = only slightly friendlier then Riedquat), come from Hasan's description of Riedquat that follows:
Reclamation - Epilogue said:
"...a hell-hole. An anarchy system for centuries. Totally lawless. No sane trader would go near it."
Any candidates for X? Do we need to completely rethink the RR line; should we look for an RX line? Remember Drew saying the location of the Rift on Erimus his map is only 'broadly correct'. Also a side note here: when the old woman mentions the edge of the Galactic arm (and the Frontier) does she maybe mean the edge of our Galactic arm?

THE SEVEN VEILS
Strange things happen with this ship, as per the GalNet articles. It's reported as being heavily upgraded on the Avalon shipyard of Persephone, but later these upgrades turn out to be fake and all valuable equipment is stripped from the ship. So where does that put the sighting of the 'Seven Veils' by Sushil on Hasan's home world, events that seemingly occur after the hacking of the Imperial data banks according to the epilogue of Reclamation? Before the events on Achenar? Did Sushil see a different ship, but also named the Seven Veils?
 
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So if we take all TheWise's sector names, and remove duplicate letters between the first three names and the last three, because that looks a bit symmetrical, that leaves A U R A H O W Y E O.

With which you write ARE YOU WOAH.

I'll keep working on it :D

Commander your work is admirable!

To break this code you must follow the line, into darkness where nothing shines but dust.

Right on! Right on! You hear in madness,
Shivering from the cold of the abyss
You seek nothing but the light's embrace.
Take that ship take it through the Rift,
Says your heart bathing in your blood,
Brain left behind in a dozen thought's flood
You seek the light but find none amongst the stars,
In fear you look up and see yourself became the bars...

Laugh! Laugh away your fear and senses,
Bear witness as your new life commenses.
Read, just read between those lines!
Said your god, it seemed nothing but lies.

Oh look! A brand new rain of thoughts!
Came from the place elves took your socks.
No light shines if there is no darkness,
No wits exist withouth complete madness.
Embrace it! Laugh away your fear and senses
And thus you'll solve the mystery in a minute or so.



I must admit you might believe me a bard or skald or poet. But I'm just a simple man. If I can create such a fantastic peace of art in mere seconds nothing is impossible!

Hurrrah space madness!

And NEVER forget to praise the sun(s)!
 
In 84 Elite.. .
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If you draw a line from Reorte to Riedquat on the galaxy map and.. keep going..
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Where does it end up?
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It's a 2D map so drawing a line makes sense, plus the old lady was talking of space travel a long time ago..
 
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THE RR LINE AND THE OLD WOMAN'S CO-ORDINATES
The epilogue mentions that when they find the video message, it was accompanied by some text: To quote myself from an earlier post: More detail is provided earlier in the epilogue. The query for 'Formidine Rift' takes a while to retrieve results from the Imperial data banks, and Salome/Kahina is paying attention to anything related to what the old woman said in the hospital: Does this imply the old woman was not entirely accurate in the hospital (memory tampered with, been through a lot, under influence of heavy medication) and the line is not from Reorte to Riedquat, but from Reorte to X (= the friendliest place this side of Riedquat)? Further hints with regards to the type of system X is (friendliest this side of Riedquat = only slightly friendlier then Riedquat), come from Hasan's description of Riedquat that follows: Any candidates for X? Do we need to completely rethink the RR line; should we look for an RX line? Remember Drew saying the location of the Rift on Erimus his map is only 'broadly correct'. Also a side note here: when the old woman mentions the edge of the Galactic arm (and the Frontier) does she maybe mean the edge of our Galactic arm?


well just like his earlier book someone quoted the character said something similar to read between the lines, sense of humor... re volting....

if we can find the place where they were located at that time with we could possibly know which side or Riedquat to look on... sounds like it would be a major pirate system.
 
I just reenter inside Tradgoi AA-A h0 A.
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Two solutions:
- This is a bug that affects only black holes with a significant mass, in this case it would be nice that someone tells us that this is not a desired game mechanic.
- It's something else to discover. (with a very big tinfoil hat)
 
In 84 Elite.. .
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If you draw a line from Reorte to Riedquat on the galaxy map and.. keep going..
.
Where does it end up?
.
It's a 2D map so drawing a line makes sense, plus the old lady was talking of space travel a long time ago..

Okay.. I just installed the BBC 84 version from the frontier store and it goes off the map. Riedquat is right near the edge. If you go the other way you get to Sorace and Inera which are right on the line from Riedquat to Reorte but that isn't what she said to do.. Hmm
 
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I just reenter inside Tradgoi AA-A h0 A.

Two solutions:
- This is a bug that affects only black holes with a significant mass, in this case it would be nice that someone tells us that this is not a desired game mechanic.
- It's something else to discover. (with a very big tinfoil hat)

You are just 1 meter away from a black hole???? Wow, It must be a record or something xD

There was anything interesting there?
 
Yes, 1 meter. I do not know if that's a record, but if it is one, I'd love to know.
At the moment there is nothing interesting inside, but there is still science to extract from this stuff. [wacky]
 
I just reenter inside Tradgoi AA-A h0 A.

Two solutions:
- This is a bug that affects only black holes with a significant mass, in this case it would be nice that someone tells us that this is not a desired game mechanic.
- It's something else to discover. (with a very big tinfoil hat)

I'm pretty sure you are looking at a bug. In 2.0 beta, when I first logged in, I spawned directly in the center of a black hole. The HUD and star field would not render until I moved out of that position.

Try getting some distance. Cycle out of SC a couple times. Relog. It the behavior persists after these tests, then you really might have something interesting.

By the way, since normal black holes seem to be harmless, has anyone tried flying to the center for S. A*?
 
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I'm pretty sure you are looking at a bug. In 2.0 beta, when I first logged in, I spawned directly in the center of a black hole. The HUD and star field would not render until I moved out of that position.

Try getting some distance. Cycle out of SC a couple times. Relog. It the behavior persists after these tests, then you really might have something interesting.

By the way, since normal black holes seem to be harmless, has anyone tried flying to the center for S. A*?

I did all that and it seems to be something persistent. And I tried on SgrA * without success.

Not sure it's a record when there are black holes without exclusion zones that you can fly through.

Thank you, this is it, no exclusion zone. So it's something known.
 
I'm not a big fan of trying to organize a fleet of commanders jumping around in a vast area of space trying to find a trace of whatever it is we may be looking for. While it might be in line with some of ED's grindy gameplay, the odds are stacked heavily against that approach, I think. It would also not be a game I'd be interested in playing, and I'm trusting in Drew to have put in enough clues for us to guide us to what we want to find, even it requires a bit of 'wanderlust' to get there. (Who says the 'secret/mystery of the rift' is actually to be found in the rift itself by the way?)

I got intrigued by the chronological correspondence of the GalNet articles and the epilogue of Reclamation, and tried to puzzle together what might have happened, all the while trying to 'read between the lines'. I came up with a few things that I think might be worth considering.

THE IMPERIAL DATA BANKS
Salome/Kahina did not go to Achenar to access the Imperial data banks. In fact she did not go to Achenar voluntarily, but was summoned by Chancelor Baine (stated twice on GalNet). It seems unlikely that Achenar was where she accessed the Imperial data banks based on other hints as well: the epilogue of Reclamation describes the room they are in when accessing the data bank as a room that They used that holofac to access the data banks and the GalNet article on her disappearance explicitly mentions that the holofac in her quarters on Achenar was not used, suggesting the actions from the epilogue occurred elsewhere. As a side note, maybe we shouldn't at all assume she accessed these data banks where they are physically stored (as if actually breaking into a library), but rather by hacking into them remotely (maybe not even from an Imperial world?). She herself says in the epilogue of Reclamation that she: So where were they when they accessed these data banks? And when did they access the data banks (before or after her disappearance)?

She was on Achenar when she accessed the databanks, so the timing of events now looks like this.
 
was aimlessly exploring around when i came across the 2MASS systems... anyone notice there are a couple duplicate names on a few of the systems? havent made it to them but im sure others have.
 
was aimlessly exploring around when i came across the 2MASS systems... anyone notice there are a couple duplicate names on a few of the systems? havent made it to them but im sure others have.

There are 2MASS systems all across our side of the galaxy. They are non-procedurally generated and placed respective to their SIMBAD data. You can find them in some nebulae and quite a few star clusters.

There are a bunch of duplicate systems in NGC 1333.
 
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Some fun "inside" one of the black holes of Tradgoi AA-A h0. I did not know that we could come so close to a black hole (1m), I'll take the opportunity to check if any of the three would not be a wormhole. [noob]



Wow. Nice pics... might seek it out just for the eye candy :D

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Hello there, I'm just adding my contribution


Drew said we have to focus to the "core" of the problem. I think this is the key, with the "line" between Reorte and Riedquat. While hanging in the Formidine Rift, I was just like "wew I am looking at something I don't konw in a goddamn big area"... This can't be. I mean, something bypassed us, I'm pretty sure. My idea was to "focus at the "core" of the problem". I traced a line from reorte to Riedquat until the formidine rift, and I see there's six main star zones: DRYAEA, DRYU, GRAEH, EOWYG, DRYEAE, and finally DRYO.
First, "GRAEH" backward is "HEARG", close of "HEART" ("core" of the problem, remember...).
Second, "CORE" is only 4 letters. It can be "C0-RE" or "CO-R3" or anything in the second part of the system's name. I've already found a dozen of systems called "GRAEH CO-R ***** " ... Coïncidence?
This can be a clue, is we focus on the stars with this kind of names, we will be able to reduce a lot the field of research, don't you think ?
What's your opinion guys ? Did I smoke too much ?
Sorry for my awesome English, I'm French.

Sounds like an interesting lead. Certainly would be 'reading between the lines' :)

The GRAEH sector has come up before. Has it been tackled yet with Dommaarraa's mapping exercise?
 
So my apologies if this has already been discussed but.

Being lazy I thought maybe FDev made it really obvious, so obvious in fact that we would miss it.

So I typed Formadine into the galaxy map and.......... found nothing but then I thought ready between the lines and Drews mention of Fear being a clue so I searched for fear and something happened that I haven't seen on the galaxy map before

Searching fear brought up the following systems:

Elycoch
Merungas
HIP 52137
UGP 120
HIP 79735
Di Kuana
YY Leonis Minoris
En Ku Shun
Segais

I've not seen the galaxy map do this before I normally have to be pretty accurate.

None of the systems are ridiculously far from R&R.

I searched some other terms like dread, hello, toast, Tree, erie (thinking of words with similar vowel content) and nothing.

Seems strange that fear is a clue and this happens.

If this has been discussed I'm sorry between this and the UA barnacle forums there is more reading than I can handle.

Any ideas of if this is relevant or if someone else could test would be appreciated.
 
So my apologies if this has already been discussed but.

Being lazy I thought maybe FDev made it really obvious, so obvious in fact that we would miss it.

So I typed Formadine into the galaxy map and.......... found nothing but then I thought ready between the lines and Drews mention of Fear being a clue so I searched for fear and something happened that I haven't seen on the galaxy map before

Searching fear brought up the following systems:

Elycoch
Merungas
HIP 52137
UGP 120
HIP 79735
Di Kuana
YY Leonis Minoris
En Ku Shun
Segais

I've not seen the galaxy map do this before I normally have to be pretty accurate.

None of the systems are ridiculously far from R&R.

I searched some other terms like dread, hello, toast, Tree, erie (thinking of words with similar vowel content) and nothing.

Seems strange that fear is a clue and this happens.

If this has been discussed I'm sorry between this and the UA barnacle forums there is more reading than I can handle.

Any ideas of if this is relevant or if someone else could test would be appreciated.

Are any of those far out towards the rim?
 
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