The Guardians: Pilots Needed (Elusive "Unique Layout")

Max Bothin

Max Bothin
I am at Synuefe TP-F b44-0 right now. Hard to find a place to land even with a DBX.

Just started my research. Will look up the Data Obeliscs. Found some skimmers. This place does not seem to be like the ruins (obeliscs) or the blueprint-sites.

This System has three "ancient ruins" (Alpha, beta, Gamma) and one guardian site (where I made the Picture above). with skimmers and no blueprints.

as this place seems to be more covered by sand as the other known sites (on this planet), it seems to be an older structure than the others. They are on the same planet, do not forget that.

edit: I researched the Cannon Maps and found out, this place is called a "Fistbump". No blueprints here.
 
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"Red" the Pirate

"Red" the Pirate
I'm more than confident everything we're looking for is in the regor sector, which has been permit locked since the very beginning. Probably to keep us from discovering anything to early. Whether that be the home world or whatever else, remains to be seen.

The lore reason for this, obviously, is entirely unknown, along with most of the other mass permit locked regions in the galaxy.

I'll hop on over there to take a look*, but I'm not expecting much.
*When I'm done with my truckload of schoolwork, that is.
 

Masta Squidge

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Is there a tool or addin to any website which can spit out a list of all systems and planets which have been searched within X ly of a reference system so we can keep track of what has been searched and what hasn't?
 

Max Bothin

Max Bothin
I have a new idea about that (been thinking about those vector-mathematics before, when I visited the Zurara- The Riedquat/Reorte/Zurara-Vector - 12.189,19LY away):

We take all information we need from this one log:

"RESEARCH VESSEL CETE: PERSONAL LOG: 02/02/3303
Melville thinks the Synuefe XR-H D11-102 system represents some kind of end point or ‘last colony’. Beyond that, the sites appear in ciusters, with the number of sites in each cluster getting increasingly larger. We discovered a cluster of sites only a few days ago before finding a location with an entirely unique layout. So far we’ve found three sites in each of the following systems: Synuefe LY-I b42-2, Synuefe NL-N c23-4 and Synuefe TP-F b44-0.

There are basically three different types of site, most of which have a different codex layout. Melville thinks that each type of site fulfilled a different function. He also thinks the Guardians were the dominant species in this region of space. But he’s not content with this discovery. He wants to keep going.

Are we ever going back to turn back?"

There are four waypoints:

1. Synuefe XR-H D11-102 "the end point"
2. Synuefe LY-I b42-2, Synuefe NL-N c23-4 and Synuefe TP-F b44-0: three markers - if you look them up at EDSM f.e., you would not visit them this way, you would fly Synuefe LY-I b42-2, Synuefe TP-F b44-0 and Synuefe NL-N c23-4. The way the log "positions" these waypoints may be a hint: Synuefe TP-F b44-0 (lies between the other ones) is a special system.

I will call it "The Anchor".

If you use the coordinates of the end point and the Anchor (they are 505,14ly apart), you can easily calculate a new coordinate, where another system could be: these coordinates would be: 1196,09375/-247,1875/-187,59375. This system would also be 505,14ly apart of the Anchor and could be the "start point", where the Cete probably was heading to. But the Cete stopped 365,65 LY away. So about 139,49 LY missing.

edit: calculated the coordinates from the Cete System to the calculated coordinates. The cete seems to be 40,778975 LY from these coordinates away. So the Cete-System seems to be a good starting point to look up systems at about 41ly away.

has anyone been at these coordinates?
 
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Masta Squidge

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glares in college algebra student

As an engineering student this is both highly interesting to me and yet still above my current level of education, seeing as the last time I did anything trig and above was 15-16 years ago in high school.
 

Max Bothin

Max Bothin
Masta Squidge said:
glares in college algebra student

As an engineering student this is both highly interesting to me and yet still above my current level of education, seeing as the last time I did anything trig and above was 15-16 years ago in high school.
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don´t worry: I had to look it up again. Good thing to have the old "Bronstein Handbook of Mathematics" in the shelf.
 
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bluecrash

bluecrash
Attack Chimp said:
You gotta chase people down in real life to solve a game-play situation? Yeah, I'd be ed off if I were you too.

...though, at what point do you ask yourself the tough questions? Me? I'm fickle like a bird and fold after only 12 hours.
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games have external referees --- it is a sandbox - but it will always need community managers
 

Max Bothin

Max Bothin
reached the Cete-System this evening. Great System: has the Megaship, planets with biological and geological findings, two planets with five guardian ancient ruins.

Start to research the system tomorrow and will then go and find a system nearest to the calculated coordinates.
 

MrE.

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So I did a heatmap based exploration from the Cete log (the 3 systems mentioned have 3 ruins each, and hypothesis was that closer to centre would be higher):
From log: "Beyond that, the sites appear in ciusters, with the number of sites in each cluster getting increasingly larger."

Highest number was 5 (the systems below):
COL 173 SECTOR OE-P D6-11: [ 1014.34, -67.59, -173.97]
COL 173 SECTOR LJ-F C12-0: [ 1202.12, -213.41, -165.56]
COL 173 SECTOR KY-Q D5-47: [ 1043.88, -100.75, -246.06]
COL 173 SECTOR BX-I C10-7: [ 1110.41, -223.62, -242.69]

Distances between them:

COL 173 .. COL 173 .. COL 173 .. COL 173 ..
COL 173 SECTOR BX-I C10-7 - 139.77 120.27 195.69
COL 173 SECTOR KY-Q D5-47 139.77 - 210.27 84.67
COL 173 SECTOR LJ-F C12-0 120.27 210.27 - 237.89
COL 173 SECTOR OE-P D6-11 195.69 84.67 237.89 -

Centroid of the 4 systems with 5 sites each:
Position: [1092.68750, -151.34250, -207.07000]

Closest 20 systems within a 100LY radius of the centroid:

Col 173 Sector NT-Q d5-76 (32.45LY)
Col 173 Sector ZO-Q b21-4 (32.55LY)
Col 173 Sector WG-J c10-18 (32.64LY)
Col 173 Sector AK-Q b21-3 (33.06LY)
Col 173 Sector NT-Q d5-58 (33.11LY)
Col 173 Sector NT-Q d5-82 (33.41LY)
Col 173 Sector NT-Q d5-80 (33.55LY)
Col 173 Sector AK-Q b21-2 (33.70LY)
Col 173 Sector NT-Q d5-91 (33.75LY)
Col 173 Sector YB-J c10-20 (33.84LY)
Col 173 Sector ZO-Q b21-3 (34.13LY)
Col 173 Sector AK-Q b21-4 (34.33LY)
Col 173 Sector YB-J c10-11 (34.49LY)
Col 173 Sector XT-Q b21-0 (34.60LY)
Col 173 Sector AK-Q b21-1 (34.66LY)
Col 173 Sector ZO-Q b21-5 (34.81LY)
Col 173 Sector ZO-Q b21-0 (34.83LY)
Col 173 Sector XO-Q b21-4 (35.73LY)
Col 173 Sector YO-Q b21-4 (36.63LY)
Col 173 Sector WG-J c10-25 (36.92LY)

33 +/- ly distance to nearest known system suggests a sphere that has not been explored yet (the permit locked Regor Sector)

Then CMDR Ettehbrutas pointed out that I was playing around near Gamma Velorum
Name: Gamma Velorum
PGName: Synuefe NU-Q c21-0
ID64: 85731447482 / 00000013F5FE12BA
Location: [1099.21875, -146.68750, -133.59375]
Sector: Regor Sector

Sol: 1116.98
Colonia: 22610.75

And the locked region (Regor Sector):
Regor sector
Name: Regor Sector
Type: Hand-Authored Region
Centre: [1099.23828, -146.67188, -133.58008]
Radius: 100.0LY
PGCentre: Synuefe @ (0, -1, 0)
Permit?: Yes

And the locked sector has THE SAME location as the Wolf Rayet star, so I am going to go out on a limb and say that the Guardian homeworld is within 74ly of Gamma Velorum and we need FDEV to open the permit lock to follow any further.
 
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MrE.

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...and I think the ruined fistbump site in Synuefe TP-F B44-0 (or was it SYNUEFE LY-I B42-2?) is the unique site mentioned in the original log - coming from Synuefe XR-H D11-102 I think that would be the first site of that type you encounter...
 
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Max Bothin

Max Bothin
well, I followed the Trail of the Cete, as you can read before. But meanwhile, as there are so many Guardian Sites all over the Galaxy, even close to Colonia and in the eastern regions of Sag A*, the hints of Melville make no sense to me anymore.
 

MrE.

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Max Bothin said:
well, I followed the Trail of the Cete, as you can read before. But meanwhile, as there are so many Guardian Sites all over the Galaxy, even close to Colonia and in the eastern regions of Sag A*, the hints of Melville make no sense to me anymore.
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I think Melville was correct (being crazy and correct are not mutually exclusive) and was heading towards the guardian homeworld. Using a site density gradient (as described above) works for that - our problem is that we were probably supposed to find the Cete before we had all the info about the guardians, but some clever CMDR solved the riddle way faster than should have happened...so we missed out on a whole bunch of story and getting those clues after you have the answer makes little sense...
 

MrE.

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Yes - a couple above it and one closer to the bubble (none of those on the path Cete seems to have taken).
 

Max Bothin

Max Bothin
using the map, you can see, the Alpha, Beta and Gamma Sites are spread far above a "bubble" of other ruin types. It seems, that the robolobster, squid and stickyhand-types are set nearer to the endpoint System, so they might be younger than the most central sites (the upper types, like Lacrosse a.s.o.).

The Cete logs do only describe the data sites, Alpha, Beta and Gamma. All the other site-types are not mentioned, except one "unique layout". This makes no sense to me, except, when the authors of the Story started with the Ram Tah/Melville Storylines: the Data-Ruins. After that, the other ruins were added, to get the blueprints, and the materials needed for guardian technology. Those are not as spread like the data-ruins. Could these be the "home-systems", so the homebase of the guardians would not be further away from the endpoint system, but somewhere in the most colonized region of the known systems?
 

bluecrash

bluecrash
To narrow your search further all the stellar forge systems that have been "hand touched"(by fdev) and not generated- all have a ammonia world and an ELW added. Hit me up on discord for my data. Bluecrash#8203 There are some other interesting things I do not want to post here.
 

Max Bothin

Max Bothin
bluecrash said:
To narrow your search further all the stellar forge systems that have been "hand touched"(by fdev) and not generated- all have a ammonia world and an ELW added. Hit me up on discord for my data. Bluecrash#8203 There are some other interesting things I do not want to post here.
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does not work with discord.

edit: and this is a bummer. The game and the lore is the People that play Elite. I can not see a reason not to share information about it here at the forums.
 
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