The Old Elite IV speculation thread
I have a PS3 as well - but consoles are not the place for a (hopefully) groundbreaking game like Elite IV - they'll have to either make two separate versions, or really dumb the game down.
I'm really not sure that they would have to? I can't think of a specific reason why you would have to dumb down the game? As long as you have a nice intuitive menu system and a well structured frontend then there is no reason why a console method of control wouldn't work. My issue isn't based around it being dumbed down, but more around there potentially being a reduced scope in the environment and the visuals because of the lack of computing power.
I didn't spend another £750 on upgrading my PC to play something that was originally developed for a console...
Yep again, I think people are getting confused with 'dumbing down' and working with the processing power they've got. Someone mentioned Dragon Age and the fact it was dumbed down because you couldn't zoom out to a birds eye view - you couldn't zoom out because the XBox simply isn't powerful enough. Or it was dumbed down because you have to keep pressing the 'A' button to attack - well, no, all the console version did was make the use of a joypad a more enjoyable experience - with the PC version you can set it so you only have to click once again. (Also, if it really bothered you, you could always just buy the PC version - assuming your PC is powerful enough).
Three years ago I spent £2000 on a PC and £400 on an XBox, today every new XBox game released works without problems. My PC (which cost a lot more money) barely runs Star Trek Online (which, if we are talking about dumbed down games, that one is a prime suspect and it hasn't been anywhere near a console).
My argument would still be to show off Forza 3 on the XBox (and I couldn't see Elite IV being much different (apart from set in space etc etc :smilie
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It's a simulation - a very, very good simulation.
There is an extensive livery designer - here's something I managed to do with 'only' a joypad -
There is an excellent online auction facility for buying and selling cars
There is a personal storefront facility
There are extensive multi-player features (take a look on youtube and see that people have even been able to setup games of car football)
And yes, the menus are easy to navigate
I fail to see why anyone would think Frontier would even want to dumb their game down - but why they shouldn't be allowed to develop it on games consoles.
The PC version could have better graphics, more planets even - but it would still be the same game, it wouldn't be dumbed down.
WoW could never appear on this generation of consoles because the world is too big, not because it is too sophisticated.
And to sum up - I'd still like to see Frontier Elite II on XBLA (as long as it's not dumbed down)
Three years ago I spent £2000 on a PC and £400 on an XBox, today every new XBox game released works without problems. My PC (which cost a lot more money) barely runs Star Trek Online (which, if we are talking about dumbed down games, that one is a prime suspect and it hasn't been anywhere near a console).
My argument would still be to show off Forza 3 on the XBox (and I couldn't see Elite IV being much different (apart from set in space etc etc :smilie
.It's a simulation - a very, very good simulation.
There is an extensive livery designer - here's something I managed to do with 'only' a joypad -
There is an excellent online auction facility for buying and selling cars
There is a personal storefront facility
There are extensive multi-player features (take a look on youtube and see that people have even been able to setup games of car football)
And yes, the menus are easy to navigate
I fail to see why anyone would think Frontier would even want to dumb their game down - but why they shouldn't be allowed to develop it on games consoles.
The PC version could have better graphics, more planets even - but it would still be the same game, it wouldn't be dumbed down.
WoW could never appear on this generation of consoles because the world is too big, not because it is too sophisticated.
And to sum up - I'd still like to see Frontier Elite II on XBLA (as long as it's not dumbed down
)And to sum up - I'd still like to see Frontier Elite II on XBLA (as long as it's not dumbed down
So would I and I would happily pay for it as well. I have £5-£10 just waiting there for your pockets Frontier, and I'm willing to bet that quite a few more would also!
Also, (I imagine) it might be a relatively low cost way of finding out what demand there is for a space trading game out there....and keep us lot happy for the next few years
...besides, they have an entire game engine sitting there doing nothing useful...
I think it has nothing to do with power.
But gamepad thumb stick vs mouse and
buttons on the pad vs many more on Keyb.
It's a gamer user interface thing. Game need be optimise to platform specific common HID. Some games are completly adoptable others need drastic gameplay revison. A focus shift. If focus went from game strong point to a other kind of gameplay then you got a lot of hate mail.
That because the bussness model is this Dev vs publsiher vs console firm (S). For PC is dev vs publsher. Microsoft and sony filter out a lot of crap. And take royalty per game even disk. Still some come trough, but not as much as the very open PC.
Some dev's and publisher just want to reach as large as audience the so called mainstream. Wich get larger as the lower you requierment are. That nice if you focus on gameplay in a MMO. But still is no garante for sucses. So every body can play it. But just don't want that crap.
No it is not, with a gamepad. It like you steer proportinal or with a very crude analog feel. tumbdown means the gamepad interaction is in a way intrperted so you can drive a car trough a circuit realy well. A quality and robust steerwheel is simulation. We console steerwheel drivers drive smooth around corners like you do with a realcar and much more smoother. While gamepad drivers drive like a saw patern.My argument would still be to show off Forza 3 on the XBox (and I couldn't see Elite IV being much different (apart from set in space etc etc :smilie
It's a simulation - a very, very good simulation.
But if I had to fly something I want a joystick.
So you did some retexturing.There is an extensive livery designer - here's something I managed to do with 'only' a joypad -
Did that to in COD blackops where you can add some thing to your weapon and some. Nice. But it's not like you got tools dev had accesable with a controler. It realy tumb down to workl wel with a controler. And modding on console is certenly possible but much more restricted.
Imangin what you could do with Softimage or 3D studio max. Design a brand new type of car. In this field PC modding freedom just beats consoles.
that because Game are developed from the platform most suitable to make game, PC that is.
Well that some extra dev's wich have some time to put features in that can stand out. While I do have a Xbox360 Elite to. I don't use it much just like my Wii.
GT5 PS3 did something else put AI in it called B-spec. Managing a team. Bit arcade. But nice and uniek. The menu are simplefied and not much to do.
This is actualy proof that Consoles are lesser then the PC where games are made on.
The matter is actual this. It isn't easy to comprehen this. And if a 10milion funding is at risk. playtesting it give you much realworld gamertester feedback. Wich often lead to tumb down. Because what mouse can do fast master extensive menu a game controler can't do much. By play testing they can find out if ELite can be done as is, on console without cutting out feature, or just a different aproach to deliver it trough a gamepad in a optimal way.
I don't know for sure, my guess is. It loose some.
You asume it wil not, like I asume it will got thumbed down. There are more games that got consolised so it hints that gamepad can't offer everything a mouse can.
The difference is this. BEcause of the lack of accuracy a console menu is a central screen like four direction tree where you shift levels.
While a mouse 5 to 25 pixel large accurate point device that can handle complex and extensive menu more efficient.
The problem is has Elite interfaces that depend more on mouse in a way that gamepad can't handle it, efficent enough like mouse. Even with interface adoption to gamepad. Are there game pad alternative menu system that can do the job equaly?
I think you are very wrong here the problem with MMO is that serverside they have to deal with Microsoft online demands. And that is a huge conflic. Sony Nintendo dito. It's a extra party with to much say in it. And demand there part of the fee to. Huge barrier for MMO. That have to be solved first.
That why crossplatform online gaming from differnent platform companys no game exsist. Only between same platform own platforms system.
this possible
PSP/PS3
WinPC / Xbox360 Shadow run game.
But no PS3 vs Xbox360
No Xbox360 vs MAC or linux.
MMO is doable on console. But then MS and dev and publsher needs to play well together.
And to sum up - I'd still like to see Frontier Elite II on XBLA (as long as it's not dumbed down
I don't. Like to see a small team of 10 making a DirectX11 remake of it. with a budged for producing it in 2 to 3 years.
You know that Battle of Britain game that was much delayed (six years in fact)? Well, it's coming out sometime around the end of the month, so there's hope for Elite IV yet.
You know that Battle of Britain game that was much delayed (six years in fact)? Well, it's coming out sometime around the end of the month, so there's hope for Elite IV yet.
And never forget Duke Nukem.
In development since 99...
We ALL know Elite is Sir dave's baby....
You know that Battle of Britain game that was much delayed (six years in fact)? Well, it's coming out sometime around the end of the month, so there's hope for Elite IV yet.
Which one is that? IL2 Cliffs of Dover? I've got that on pre-order - looks awesome!
Elite 4 - Kepler
It seems all the components are in place for E4.
The latest component - The Outsider engine for event interactions is complete.
http://www.frontier.co.uk/games/outsider
And the Kepler data for emulated planet dispersion can be integrated.
http://kepler.nasa.gov/
Perhaps we'll see some official announcements soon...
It seems all the components are in place for E4.
The latest component - The Outsider engine for event interactions is complete.
http://www.frontier.co.uk/games/outsider
And the Kepler data for emulated planet dispersion can be integrated.
http://kepler.nasa.gov/
Perhaps we'll see some official announcements soon...
Elite 4 - It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.
Elite 4 - Wiccan Ware Race & More!
It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run
Here's to Onboard computers (or an Astrodroid for smaller Ships) to calculate the best paths and slingshots to destinations.
Elite 4 - Wiccan Ware Race & More!
It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run
Here's to Onboard computers (or an Astrodroid for smaller Ships) to calculate the best paths and slingshots to destinations.
Navigation and ships manifest droids COULD be a nice idea, depending on interstellar routes and scheduling. A droid to handle regular stockmarket purchasing and selling at the best prices sounds nice. IF it was implemented correctly.
It'd be nice to have it flag best buy/sell prices at local and most visited systems.
It'd be nice to have it flag best buy/sell prices at local and most visited systems.
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I think you'll find that the 'engine' has been 'ready' for a very long time - there is about exactly zero chance of any favourable announcements coming out of Frontier regarding E4...
Other than that - keep up the spirits - I'm sure if we stay positive something useful will come out of it... or not...
Other than that - keep up the spirits - I'm sure if we stay positive something useful will come out of it... or not...
Steve,
Its sad to see the despondancy in yours and others recent posts (myself included).
I just can't see anything happening with E4, I just feel Frontier have missed the boat by a long, long way. If only Frontier would commit in some way, it would make the wait a bit more bearable. But, I can't see that happening either I'm sorry to say.
Its sad to see the despondancy in yours and others recent posts (myself included).
I just can't see anything happening with E4, I just feel Frontier have missed the boat by a long, long way. If only Frontier would commit in some way, it would make the wait a bit more bearable. But, I can't see that happening either I'm sorry to say.