THE OUTER LIMITS - A Slave Girl

[psyron]

I love those ideas.

I would love to hunt for slave traders.
There should exist an idealistic, perhaps secretive, Slave Liberation organization that pays for freed slaves and gives you missions to attack certain infamous slave traders and their organizations.
This could easily be an entire immersive, story driven campaign.

That would be cool. Also an Underground Railroad type organisation, which helps slaves flee the Empire to freedom. Plenty of mission opportunities there.

Transferred to our real world those would be called "terrorist organizations"

 

[Mars]

If I were that 28 yr old slave, I would eventually win his trust, build up my strength for one last liberating out-of-body pleasure session, then kill him as he slept.

I would then be truly free to do as I pleased with that expensive Asp and choose my destination and fate.

Shame there is no start option as a slave where such a scenario can be played out.

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[Mars]

Transferred to our real world those would be called "terrorist organizations"

Erm OK, getting a little off topic here. I know NM gets a lot of hero worship but he WAS a terrorist, this is not an opinion, it is historical fact which the man himself did not deny.

He was the head of a terrorist group that used to put white phosphorous bombs on railway stations. One such bomb gave a grandmother and 9yo girl 90% burns and severely disfigured both.

There are many incidents that he not only did not deny, but actually spoke in favour of at his trial.

Now it perfectly true that he did an amazing job at reconciliation and steered a peaceful transitions to black power after release from jail, but it is simply to factual to say that he WAS a terrorist before.

 

[psyron]

Erm OK, getting a little off topic here. I know NM gets a lot of hero worship but he WAS a terrorist, this is not an opinion, it is historical fact which the man himself did not deny.

He was the head of a terrorist group that used to put white phosphorous bombs on railway stations. One such bomb gave a grandmother and 9yo girl 90% burns and severely disfigured both.

There are many incidents that he not only did not deny, but actually spoke in favour of at his trial.

Now it perfectly true that he did an amazing job at reconciliation and steered a peaceful transitions to black power after release from jail, but it is simply to factual to say that he WAS a terrorist before.

Neither did i claim, that he was not a "terrorist"

The question is weather you can fight against an obviously inhuman system without using violence

Don't think this is off-topic. Reality is often the best teacher to create good fiction:
http://vimeo.com/41963839

Edit:
I am against violence though (at least in reality)

 

[Mars]

The question is weather you can fight against a current system without using violence

Take the UK as an example. In Northern Ireland the republicans used guns and bombs to try and secure independence. In Scotland they used peaceful political means. Today Scotland is on the verge of independence if the people themselves decided to go for it in their referendum later this year.

This is before we even get onto Gandhi.

I would say very much yes, you can make big changes without violence, indeed, in the 20th century its more common than with and I'm sure will be even more so in the 21st.

 

[Cody]

Squirrels!

 

[psyron]

Take the UK as an example. In Northern Ireland the republicans used guns and bombs to try and secure independence. In Scotland they used peaceful political means. Today Scotland is on the verge of independence if the people themselves decided to go for it in their referendum later this year.

This is before we even get onto Gandhi.

I would say very much yes, you can make big changes without violence, indeed, in the 20th century its more common than with and I'm sure will be even more so in the 21st.

It's difficult to argue whether or not South Africa would have get the international attention if the black people wouldn't have become violent in the first place to fight for their human rights.

I think your comparison with Scotland is lacking a lot

Edit:
Though not off-topic i guess that talking to much about reality will make some other people here nervous, he he

 

[Mars]

We all kinda know this will have to be reined in with the new game. One of the fiction authors was recently careful to remind me only Michael Brookes can make pronouncements about canon right now.

Indeed, most of the comments on here about Imperial slaves stem from his first fan diary here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6z5OK8J5pg&list=PL7glm5rbPHKyBblUEjmm2PFkwJ4ykuz6s

 

[Beachlight7]

Take the UK as an example. In Northern Ireland the republicans used guns and bombs to try and secure independence. In Scotland they used peaceful political means. Today Scotland is on the verge of independence if the people themselves decided to go for it in their referendum later this year.

This is before we even get onto Gandhi.

I would say very much yes, you can make big changes without violence, indeed, in the 20th century its more common than with and I'm sure will be even more so in the 21st.

That only helps if you see democracy and majority rule as a good and fair thing.
I think it is neither I hate the public and popularity doesn't make something right.
Armed action and political voting can create change, or they may struggle chronically. Best solution is to make the issue redundant, take the meaning out of rule and governance. Everybody just do what they want to do. That's where the freedom of space comes in.

 

[deusx_ophc]

This was a discussion in the DDF and I put in a suggestion especially for that so people should be able to RESCUE and SAVE them and either try to return them home or the nearest safe port so hopefully the answer is YES you should be able to save/rescue them.

missed that ddf topic totally...

so i will be that rarest of rarities, a lonely slave rescueing space pirate

 

[psyron]

missed that ddf topic totally...

so i will be that rarest of rarities, a lonely slave rescueing space pirate

Not so lonely after all ... i am in too

 

[Perseus]

Anyone kidnapping Imperial slaves is going to acquire a bounty on their head, probably issued by the very individuals you think you've rescued. Please don't become a criminal through cultural ignorance or the archaic notion of Federal liberty.
(Actually, please do and lets make this game brilliant for each other!)

I think that using slaves as crew is perfectly legitimate for Imperial players, as long as they adhere to Imperial Law. After all, this slavery is indebted servitude rather than repressive possession, not really much different than paying a wage.
There could be some interesting events when Imperial slaves find themselves in Alliance or Federal space. There might be all kinds of grey areas in such a scenario, leading to friction and top gameplay.
I'm looking forward to absorbing as much lore as possible once it's released. For now, we have to fantasize a lot with the little we have. It is a fantasy though, it's a game, so I hope people aren't truly offended and keep this in mind when they interact.

 

[Viking]

That's exactly why you should join the Empire. As Mars said, you'll know your social status and ranking as a valued member of the most enlightened of human cultures.

Yes, I hear you - both. But I'm more interested in non-biased information so I can make my own choice, based on facts.

Examples:

OK, as long as you like living in some space version of Kazakhstan, a good one for Commander Borat and his role-playing efforts.

The Maoist People's Democratic Republic of Riadquat bid you welcome.

... These kind of replies aren't very informative for a newbie like me.

I realize there isn't much facts yet about ED, but I'm coming from almost zero and so all history lore of what happened before ED is also helping me decide. So I'm reading up on the lore now.

So what you're reading right now is the dreams of players [...]

Yeah, maybe you're right. I do want to think it is some truth in it though, based on people's knowledge of the lore. So I'm in a handicap here because I know very little about the Elite lore. So far.

Thanks for the links though. I'll try to read them.

 

[Andrew Sayers]

Yeah, maybe you're right. I do want to think it is some truth in it though, based on people's knowledge of the lore.

I can't claim to be unbiased (on either the lore or the story), but a while back I had a go at a choose-your-own-adventure that introduced the universe as best I could. It's nothing like the structured guide I think we're both imagining, but I'm starting to think the format might be a good way to introduce people to the universe without beating them over the head with history.

That said, I don't have another story in me right now. Even if I did, I'd be in trouble if I blocked out time for that when the next alpha release turned up, so if anyone else would like to have a go...

 

[Viking]

Thanks, Andrew. I got many useful tips and links in another thread also, so I have a lot to read now before I decide which side to join - if any.

 

[Qpid Stunt]

Hello everyone.

Whilst the topics of slavery in the ED universe is of course quite valid. Can I please ask that we express ourselves a little more carefully as this is a family forum and there a ever so slight tendancy on this thread to be starting to edge toward more "adult themes". Can I please ask everyone remains mindful of that.

My yardstick is "Woud I say this at a dinner table in front of young ones ?"

Thanks everybody.

I cant believe no one mentioned anything about Styggron's "Yardstick" comment, particularly in this topic, even more worryingly, it being out infront of young ones!

*edit* Voted #2

 

[Beachlight7]

You are hoping you have a choice whose side you will join?
The words of Darth Vader should be echoed. "He shall join us or die, my master"
Prepare to be turned by dark forces.
Say I caught you about to save a slave ship, with greater weaponry I could force you into making a choice either kill the slaves and I let you escape or I destroy you and your ship. Eventually you will see the error of your ways.

 

[Iskariot]

That would be cool. Also an Underground Railroad type organisation, which helps slaves flee the Empire to freedom. Plenty of mission opportunities there.

Yes, that is what I meant.
First you would have to start liberating some slaves on your own accord, but after a certain threshold you would be contacted by the Underground Railroad. They would ask you to work for them and you could make a name for yourself in this secretive organization. On the other hand players who already have traded in slaves themselves would never be contacted. Instead they might get hired by the slave traders to do some jobs for them.

Working for the Underground Railroad you would have to free the slaves and drop them off at certain secret locations, all the while being hunted by mercs and bounty hunters hired by the slave traders. You would have to make sure nobody follows you to the drop offs.
The underground might offer you cheaper refits and repairs for your ship after they learned to trust you.

 

[deusx_ophc]

Working for the Underground Railroad you would have to free the slaves and drop them off at certain secret locations, all the while being hunted by mercs and bounty hunters hired by the slave traders. You would have to make sure nobody follows you to the drop offs.
The underground might offer you cheaper refits and repairs for your ship after they learned to trust you.

perfect place for a pirate

 

[Viking]

Say I caught you about to save a slave ship, with greater weaponry I could force you into making a choice either kill the slaves and I let you escape or I destroy you and your ship.

I will try and save the slaves, then flee. If that's no option I would fight you until I die. No one forces me into submission. Ever. Not in ED and not in RL. I'll rather take the hard route than prostrating myself to criminals.

Eventually you will see the error of your ways.

I doubt that very much.