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Civil unrest can't strike Europe if the power goes out? It's not the wild west here and the vast majority (and by "vast" I mean 99.99% or better) of gun owners are responsible people who cause zero issues and pose no threat to society. The benefits of gun ownership in America dramatically and emphatically outweigh the drawbacks.
I don’t need the grid, so no power lose here (y)
 
Boris Johnson just addressed the nation. Waffling and bluffing, he thinks it'll last 12 weeks, is hoping for a scientific solution, is still asking people to isolate rather than telling so its unlikely to work and is saying all decisions are being made by his scientific advisors.

He looks terrified, truly out of his depth and doesn't want to be the one who called the shots. Really shifty body language.
 
Not sure what you are referring to, wasn't talking about guns. Merely pointing out the extensive loting that has occured in the US metropoles during relative mild crises. During similar events in the Netherlands and Belgium we did not have anything of the sorts. Then again, we don't really have any cities of that size either, which no doubt brings its own social dynamics. Not particularly looking forward to what will happen in the likes of Mumbai...
See the comment above yours. Having pointed that out: I'm not keeping score, or putting on airs. You might have noticed by now that if someone points out the inadequacies or shortcomings of my home, which lets face it involves acting as if their own home is perfect, I generally respond by setting that particular oversight straight.

@Stigbob there's that "sowing the seeds of unrest and dissension" I was referring to earlier. Really helpful.
 
Yeah, urban metropoles are a clear concern to me...

Seems like he is comparing apples with apples is all

I know what happened in US major cities when the power was merely out for a day or two...
Europe is definitively no example to anyone else in terms of civil unrest. Just look at the rioting, looting and destruction in London 2011, and Paris every odd month for the last couple years...
 
See the comment above yours. Having pointed that out: I'm not keeping score, or putting on airs. You might have noticed by now that if someone points out the inadequacies or shortcomings of my home, which lets face it involves acting as if their own home is perfect, I generally respond by setting that particular oversight straight.

Everybody's moaning about their home countries and generally agreeing about the shortcomings and strengths of each others. Siege mentality doesn't help.
 
Civil unrest can't strike Europe if the power goes out? It's not the wild west here and the vast majority (and by "vast" I mean 99.99% or better) of gun owners are responsible people who cause zero issues and pose no threat to society. The benefits of gun ownership in America dramatically and emphatically outweigh the drawbacks.

I'm pretty sure anywhere can go badly wrong if things seem bad enough.

Not bashing on the US but I think from an outsiders perspective the gun thing must be a catch 22. You need guns because you have guns. If historically there had been no widespread civilian gun ownership then you'd be in the same boat as any other place with no widespread civilian gun ownership. I'm not stating that as a fact and if you disagree I'll leave it there so as not to threaten the continued existence of the thread. No offence intended.

The parallel here is the panic buying - people are feeling they have to panic buy because there is panic buying - if no-one was doing it it wouldn't be happening - at the risk of stating the bloody obvious!

Just like the no going out "advice" no panic buying advice simply doesn't work. Unfortunately these things will need enforcement.

@ Stigbob - yes today's briefing was/is something of a non-event - perhaps more meat tomorrow..
 
Civil unrest can't strike Europe if the power goes out? It's not the wild west here and the vast majority (and by "vast" I mean 99.99% or better) of gun owners are responsible people who cause zero issues and pose no threat to society. The benefits of gun ownership in America dramatically and emphatically outweigh the drawbacks.

Very important point you bring up ( the vast majority of Gun owners in the US being responsible people ). Gets thrown under the carpet all the time in most discussions, and is rightfully a reason to resonsible people off...I mean, what responsible person would like to be thrown into the same bucket with criminals, gang people etc .

I honestly mean this, no sarcasm or irony .
 
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See the comment above yours. Having pointed that out: I'm not keeping score, or putting on airs. You might have noticed by now that if someone points out the inadequacies or shortcomings of my home, which lets face it involves acting as if their own home is perfect, I generally respond by setting that particular oversight straight.

@Stigbob there's that "sowing the seeds of unrest and dissension" I was referring to earlier. Really helpful.

Ah, mostly meant to say that if I were living in a major metropolis I would not be 100% convinced things would be smooth and civilized, nor that emergency services will be able to keep the peace effectively.
 
Everybody's moaning about their home countries and generally agreeing about the shortcomings and strengths of each others. Siege mentality doesn't help.
You know what would help? If when people like myself call for the heroic in mankind to become the defining factor of the next few months it wasn't immediately mocked and excreted upon by people (you leading the charge) who only want to look at the ugliest part of the human equation. I called for unity and appealed to mankind's better nature and was literally dismissed as engaging in stolen valor. The attitude on display here honestly makes my head spin around in circles.
 
You know what would help? If when people like myself call for the heroic in mankind to become the defining factor of the next few months it wasn't immediately mocked and excreted upon by people (you leading the charge) who only want to look at the ugliest part of the human equation. I called for unity and appealed to mankind's better nature and was literally dismissed as engaging in stolen valor. The attitude on display here honestly makes my head spin around in circles.

That's the siege mentality I've been referring to, nobody is coming to get you in reality. Its just a very nasty virus.
 
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Guess I am now retired?
All night service at my centre has been stopped. Nursing staff redeployed to public sector. Chief called to let me know. Says it's temporary.

When things get bad enough out there they'll probably be calling me to serve too. Not sure what is going to happen. Got food and supplies, but no income for now.
 

You were obviously wrong. They can be released early, average is 15-20 years, maximum is till death. Not 6 years.

That's outdated and their definition of "prison" is extremely flexible, they are currently trying to formalize and simplify it as the conflicting versions are baffling even for judges a major rework was announced yesterday.

Six years is still the real world average.
 
And now China reports no new cases. Not one new person out of 1.5B populace has caught the bug.

This guy says it best.
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And now China reports no new cases. Not one new person out of 1.5B populace has caught the bug.

This guy says it best.
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Never underestimate the efficiency of sociofascism. There are no soft barriers in China. It is barriers of steel and lead.
But yeah. Doubt is a powerful thing.
 
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