The Sol System should not be under the jurisdiction of any one galactic power

[RellTyr]

they are no longer colonists after 1000 years, you don’t seem to get this



This is a laughably misinformed opinion


This I agree with. It would be cool to be able to buy a counterfeit permit from a black market that would allow travel to the locked system, but if scanned the system security will try to vent your ship. I’d really like that to be honest

They will always be immigrants from Earth, no-matter where they are in the galaxy. Hence the visits in lore.

How is it a laughably misinformed opinion? Because of the Bible, which was written almost 2,000 years ago, the founding concepts of Christianity has endured through the ten commandments which pretty much moulded the West, and by extension, the world today. Likewise, the Elite Dangerous world is only 1,286 years into the future and would be shaped by the culture of Earth.

So... Do you have the Sol permit or not?

I'm just looking for some context for my baseless assumptions.

Not yet, but I'm going to do missions for the Feds once I get back from exploring the Veil West Nebulae.. I'm averse to the idea of ranking up in the Federation which is the reason for having not done it yet.

 

[SMcA]

How is it a laughably misinformed opinion? Because of the Bible, which was written almost 2,000 years ago, the founding concepts of Christianity has endured through the ten commandments which pretty much moulded the West, and by extension, the world today. Likewise, the Elite Dangerous world is only 1,286 years into the future and would be shaped by the culture of Earth.

You may have forgotten about the schism between the Church of Rome and the Orthodox Church (not just one orthodox sect, either), The Church of England (Anglican) and the Church of Rome and Protestant Revolution. The List goes on.

 

[Greasetrap42]

"The Cradle of Civilization", Mesopotamia, modern day Iraq is hardly a major tourist destination.

That's because it's in a warzone - is Earth in a warzone in Elite? What a dumb comparison.

Its a perfect comparison. Over the last 500 years do you think the political powers of the Mesopotamian region (Iraq) have had any desire to abdicate their power to an international governed body and transform their nation into an international heritage site? Just so you can go there, ponder humanities origins, read some plaques, and take some selfies?

The OP idea is ridiculous.

 

[here_it_comes]

Why should an Empire loyalist have to join an opposing galactic power's navy and be promoted just in order to see the home-planet of their species?

Ahhh, the slaver is sad.

Earth is better off without your ilk.

 

[RellTyr]

You may have forgotten about the schism between the Church of Rome and the Orthodox Church (not just one orthodox sect, either), The Church of England (Anglican) and the Church of Rome and Protestant Revolution. The List goes on.

Yes, reformations and schisms on the interpretation of a core concept - the core concept is not changed. The Sol permit should not be locked and instead should be in-game payment for the permit instead.

Ahhh, the slaver is sad.

Earth is better off without your ilk.

They're more "indentured servants" than slaves. You can't physically abuse them for example. Slaves with a small s.

Also, I read that in the fluff, most Imperial citizens would prefer to sell themselves into indentured servitude rather than live the shame of debt - and funnily enough, they supposedly have a better quality of life than most Federation/Alliance peons.

Its a perfect comparison. Over the last 500 years do you think the political powers of the Mesopotamian region (Iraq) have had any desire to abdicate their power to an international governed body and transform their nation into an international heritage site? Just so you can go there, ponder humanities origins, read some plaques, and take some selfies?

The OP idea is ridiculous.

Well I mentioned the cradle of humanity metaphor to attempt to make clearer how the galaxy's Humans would see earth - like the origin point. Sure, people today do not visit Mesopotamia as it is a desert ensconced in a warzone - but Earth is different. The humans in the far future would want to visit earth for this same reason, history and their origin, especially from mega-rich tourists.

People shouldn't have to join a military to do this. That is what I think is stupid.

 

[Ydiss]

You is right, beltalowda. It is time beratnas rise up and take back what's rightfully ours, ke?

 

[The Roofus]

The permit's too easy IMO - too many scummy tourists floating around old mother earth these days, taking screenshots and getting in the way while I'm exporting poo from Abraham Lincoln.

KEEP THE GRUBS OUT!

 

[RellTyr]

The permit's too easy IMO - too many scummy tourists floating around old mother earth these days, taking screenshots and getting in the way while I'm exporting poo from Abraham Lincoln.

KEEP THE GRUBS OUT!

A permit that costs 5 million credits instead of making them join the Federal Navy and rank up. Gives the new players something to work towards and keeps the grubs out.

 

[Ethaidan]

It's nice to hear someone speak for how all of future humanity will revere Earth, and should have an inalienable right to pilgrimage there at will. Especially when past & current humanity has proven over and over just how petty nations (and individuals) can be about access to their precious land possessions, no matter when or how they came into possession of said land. Please, tell us more about how all of future humanity will think and act.

 

[ArchEmperor]

This talk about letting the filthy rich have access to the historical cradle of humanity, instead of using the well proven merit system, limiting the stress of massive pilgrimage of dubious intent and behavior, is causing quite a stir.

 

[Alexium67]

I was in Sol as a tourist. On a board of some commander's ship with the permit. It was good time...

And I think that ranks is not true naval
ranks. It is something like an honorary title. And second. In this thread was a man who wrote good explanation about our commanders. The Pilots Federation members aren't ordinary people. Owning the personal ship with life time insurance giving us not only the possibility to travel across the Galaxy but and some limitations.

 

[[PS4] Filthymick420]

You is right, beltalowda. It is time beratnas rise up and take back what's rightfully ours, ke?

Sasa ke bossmang! Inyalowda na du deserve da earth. Da rich waste keting beltalowda deng fo cherish. Mo fut unte owkwa than imalowda keng keting fo du wit. Kowl deya du im starve beltalowda. Du milowda towchu fo buy fong Imalowda keting im ours ere da fosh pelésh.

Fo da Ferí Navy, fo da Belte!!

Belter Translator ― LingoJam

lingojam.com

 

[Greasetrap42]

 

[[PS4] Filthymick420]

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Based on this I'd imagine more imps are interested in a Worldcraft version of Risa

Risa

Designated as a "pleasure planet", Risa was an inhabited Federation planet in the Epsilon Ceti star system. Found in the Alpha Quadrant, this planet orbited the star Epsilon Ceti B and was about 93 light years from the Sol system. The planet had at least two moons. This planet was the homeworld...

memory-alpha.fandom.com

 

[RellTyr]

It's nice to hear someone speak for how all of future humanity will revere Earth, and should have an inalienable right to pilgrimage there at will. Especially when past & current humanity has proven over and over just how petty nations (and individuals) can be about access to their precious land possessions, no matter when or how they came into possession of said land. Please, tell us more about how all of future humanity will think and act.

Elite has warp drives, Thargoids, Guardian ruins and technology, three galactic Human empires...

...and you think that people wanting to visit Humanity's origin is far-fetched?

This talk about letting the filthy rich have access to the historical cradle of humanity, instead of using the well proven merit system, limiting the stress of massive pilgrimage of dubious intent and behavior, is causing quite a stir.

I would've thought that's exactly what the Federation would do - the money made from a 5 million CR permit for each visitor would be too economically ludicrous to pass up - and they wouldn't selfishly guard Earth to the extent of a permit-lock for all newcomers or pilots.

That being said - there was talk about how Pilots are a different class of people than normal people. Surely the economic power that pilots can accumulate and contribute would make them more suited to visiting Sol than anyone else? If so, why exclude them and make them do chores instead of getting that tourism money?

Quite simply, this game mechanic was not thought out enough.

 

[Chrystoph]

Achenar is beautiful but I never see anyone there - nor does it have any reasons to visit because the only thing there in the way of lore are scattered text nav-beacons. Hardly on par with the original planet of Earth.

I don't RP in this game, and only loosely in the forums, but I can certainly tell you that my loyalty to the concept of Humaniti is not what you so orgasmically envision for Sol 3; just another planet in a galaxy where I've visited over 15,000 systems.

 

[varonica]

*Edit 1: A quick fix would be to make the Sol permit able to be bought and not have to do chores for the Federal navy.

I think the fact that the Sol system is under the thumb of the Federation is wrong, from a gameplay and lore perspective.

While I have argued against your suggestion, I don't actually disagree with you entirely, but if changes were to happen they would need to be made not just to the way the Sol permit works, it would need to a major overhaul of the way permits and in general the power side of the game works.

For instance if I was designing the game and had control over the way it works there would be no way a player could have rank in more than one military at a time. Permits would be more nuanced, for instance if you are a member of the empire military access to Sol would be restricted, you could enter Sol system as a tourist but you would not be allowed to go in certain areas, military docks, near Capital Ships, if you flew near these you would be identified as a spy and attacked and driven from the system and your permit revoked for X days. If you were just a tourist you would be fined for going near the military stuff but not ejected or banned, if you were a trader there would be other possible restrictions depending on various other factors. If you were in the Federation military you would have free access to military areas, but face restrictions in empire systems.

Basically permits would be changed depending on a players fealty, the actions a player takes, decisions players make over what power to support and what military to join would be a major part of the game and often mean there were areas a player couldn't go, so joining a military would be a major decisions rather than everyone just trying to get as high in the military as they need to get the perks like ships and things.

With the permit systems as simplistic as it is I don't think changing it is worth the trouble or would be in any way meaningful.

 

[RellTyr]

While I have argued against your suggestion, I don't actually disagree with you entirely, but if changes were to happen they would need to be made not just to the way the Sol permit works, it would need to a major overhaul of the way permits and in general the power side of the game works.

For instance if I was designing the game and had control over the way it works there would be no way a player could have rank in more than one military at a time. Permits would be more nuanced, for instance if you are a member of the empire military access to Sol would be restricted, you could enter Sol system as a tourist but you would not be allowed to go in certain areas, military docks, near Capital Ships, if you flew near these you would be identified as a spy and attacked and driven from the system and your permit revoked for X days. If you were just a tourist you would be fined for going near the military stuff but not ejected or banned, if you were a trader there would be other possible restrictions depending on various other factors. If you were in the Federation military you would have free access to military areas, but face restrictions in empire systems.

Basically permits would be changed depending on a players fealty, the actions a player takes, decisions players make over what power to support and what military to join would be a major part of the game and often mean there were areas a player couldn't go, so joining a military would be a major decisions rather than everyone just trying to get as high in the military as they need to get the perks like ships and things.

With the permit systems as simplistic as it is I don't think changing it is worth the trouble or would be in any way meaningful.

I agree with everything you've said there besides the Sol permit, in fact you've hit the nail on the head of what I'd like changed overall when it comes to the power dynamics.

If I'm an enemy craft with a pledged allegiance to a foreign power, the enemy station should refuse service and a power should refuse to advance or induct a pilot to their ranks if he holds rank in another power's military - basically they are inducting a potential murderer of their own people into their inner ranks which is just silly.

 

[Chrystoph]

The problem with the expressed logic is that there is a difference between Foreign Power and Enemy Power. The Federation and the Empire are not at war, so, while there should be restrictions on the landing of an explicitly dedicated player at Military Facilities, it makes no sense for public ports to be denying those same players in the current circumstances.

As @varonica states, it needs to be nuanced, but that really requires a more Pen and Paper sort of game management from Frontier.

 

[Greasetrap42]

Earth is located in the home system of the Federation. It is also located within Federation space.

It makes absolutely no sense that the Federation would abdicate government over an entire populated planet, handing it over to a intergalactic heritage committee for oversight.

It makes no sense that the Federation would lift permits to their home system just so tourists in fully armored space vehicles can visit a heritage sight.

I agree the permit system in ED is odd, and doesn't really make sense either. Obtaining a travel visa based on a proven record of behaviour and sign-off by state officials is more realistic (and maybe some bribes). But that's not the topic of this thread.