Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

Do you want a Open PvE

  • Yes, I want a Open PvE

    Votes: 54 51.4%
  • No, I don't want a Open PvE

    Votes: 49 46.7%
  • I want only Open PvE and PvP only in groups

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    105
  • Poll closed .
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I wouldn't say that it is dead. I would say that some people (including myself) are becoming disillusioned with open play and are instead playing in solo mode.
This could be due to.....

1 - Cheating. Some players use the ED cheat tool & hacked xml script.
2 - Mechanics. If you are a single player you have got no chance against a wing.
3 - Other reasons maybe.
 
It is.

Peak time UK in the old worlds and there is nobody.

And dont blame it on instancing.
It is an inevitable consequence of several things FD did and did not do, that significant numbers of players will leave open. They made solo 'easy mode' by not buffing the AI until it was too late. They failed to put in the promised anti-griefing mechanisms. They encouraged 'psychopathic murder' as a play style and failed to put in the promised 'consequences'. They knew about the memory hacking cheaters from back in the alpha, and did very little to stop them. Stories about griefers and exploiters encouraged folks to run and hide in solo, even if (as I suspect is the case) the stories implied a much greater level of griefing and hacking than was actually happening.

Maybe you have been a very naughty boy ...
You are told when you get put on the naughty step. Besides which, FD seem to be going out of their way not to punish miscreants.
 
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According to the devs playing solo/group is ​INTENDED

Exploits are UNINTENDED.

Massive difference.




Oh - and thread merge incoming :)
As an "Elite" classed Forum poster Liqua, you should know forum rules and set an example. Is it really ok we all start using such huge fonts and massive waste of space in our posts.
MODs please sort this out and edit to reduce all space - thank you.
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I now play OPEN 100%. I see many CMDRs in RES and stations all the time. I avoid those around Lave/Diso/Leesti due to idiot players.
 
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It's early August damn it. Can people stop doom saying regarding anything?

Anyone having played any MMO should know by now that everything gets stale in the middle of the summer due to mass vacations.
 
Which brings us full circle again :) . I honestly think FD knew what they were doing when they scoped the basic game before bringing it to the Kickstarter.



Personal View

At its core is the 1:1 galaxy. From that flows everything else, the PvE slant, the emphasis on player choice, the P2P networking model, the focus on the BGS to “run” the galaxy, not players who amount to no more than a speck of dust in the vast expanse of the Sahara desert.


I seem to recall some wise soul posting some time ago – “FD couldn’t have designed a game more likely to frustrate ex EvE players if they’d tried”. – or words to that effect. I don't think they did that on purpose, it's a beneficial/regrettable result of the games core design.

Territorial/Resource control – pointless. Effectively infinite territory and resources.
No Subscriptions – No real money trade, pay to win, and gold faucets to monetize the game. That it reduces the scandals and corruption, is a side benefit and means FD don’t have to employ their own form of “Internal Investigations Department” just yet.”

The ability to mode switch, simplifies the game for the many, many thousands of players who don’t play the “my gang is bigger than your gang” game. They effectively have it, hardware, software for the non tech savvy, or by simply flying somewhere else. All the mode switch does is allow them to do it without inconveniencing them further.

Unfortunately for some “Play Styles” it would seem there is a market for games which encourage player interaction without forcing it. That FD, and other games under development (Star Citizen, Shroud of the Avatar) have chosen to pursue this market would indicate from a business point of view there’s more money in player choice than forced interaction.

As FD have been around for a “couple” of years, they may just understand their market a little better than we do from our side of the monitor. After all they’re staking their jobs and livelihoods on the call they made before the kickstarter. We’re just staking a couple of quid.


+rep x100 great post

I agree totally with this post. Something I have been saying time and again in this thread - I think FD knew quite well what they wished to avoid, and EvE (and some other games) was an example they studied and were determined not to become.
 
yea, i know they want it to be equal and a choice, but I'd quite like to play in open if there was a reward for it.

right now it just puts me at much greater risk for no reason.

I tried it once or twice, got rammed coming out of a station until i died.

At the time it was a pretty big hit to the finances and put me off.

I'm not encouraged to take the risk, give me a % increase for taking the risk and I'd be there.

They say they want all options to be even with no advantage to either choice, but open comes with disadvantages which is basically the same thing.
 
PvPers moaning that there is no-one in open on the forum by starting a thread, wanting action like Lugh really does not encourage anyone into open either.

By the way I have no idea how to seperate in terms of consequence, legitimate in game reasons for killing people (PP has a few), piracy and psycho killers. Some are play styles to be encouraged, others are not.

Because of the forum posts and selfish entitlelment I percieve in PvP posts, If they ever seperated open from group/solo, I expect I would go group - better class of person, and alas 2 of the reasons above for killing people would be removed from my game.

I hasten to add I have knocked the shields down on one person since beta, beta was pretty much all about meet another cmdr, fight to the death, we all did it, most stopped in gamma. At the moment I really cannot see the reason for starting a PvP battle.


Simon

It is an inevitable consequence of several things FD did and did not do, that significant numbers of players will leave open. They made solo 'easy mode' by not buffing the AI until it was too late. They failed to put in the promised anti-griefing mechanisms. They encouraged 'psychopathic murder' as a play style and failed to put in the promised 'consequences'. They knew about the memory hacking cheaters from back in the alpha, and did very little to stop them. Stories about griefers and exploiters encouraged folks to run and hide in solo, even if (as I suspect is the case) the stories implied a much greater level of griefing and hacking than was actually happening.

You are told when you get put on the naughty step. Besides which, FD seem to be going out of their way not to punish miscreants.
 
I wouldn't say that it is dead. I would say that some people (including myself) are becoming disillusioned with open play and are instead playing in solo mode.
This could be due to.....

1 - Cheating. Some players use the ED cheat tool & hacked xml script.
2 - Mechanics. If you are a single player you have got no chance against a wing.
3 - Other reasons maybe.
4 - Indiscriminate killing. No communication; just opening fire without any discussion or negotation against a ship that is incapable of defending itself, and no real disincentive to *not* do it.
5 - Griefing. In a better ship than the wing at a RES site affording you most of the kills on ships? Don't be suprised if they simply decide to kill you.
6 - Some days you just don't want to be bothered with random players who are likely to do unexpected things for their entertainment at the direct expense of your own.
 
No less than fifteen minutes ago I saw four CMDR's SC'ing in the system, another three in an outpost and four more in the adjoining system.

Not sure what Open you are playing, but it's chock full in my part of the galaxy.
 
As an "Elite" classed Forum poster Liqua, you should know forum rules and set an example. Is it really ok we all start using such huge fonts and massive waste of space in our posts.
MODs please sort this out and edit to reduce all space - thank you.

Being Elite simply means I have made lots of posts - has nothing to do with being a good boy.

I get your point - I have reduced the font - I also did what you should have done and hit the "report this post" button so the mods become aware of it. Perhaps next time you could do the same rather than quote a bad post in it's entirety and propagate the problem ;)
 
It is.

Peak time UK in the old worlds and there is nobody.

And dont blame it on instancing.

But you can't NOT factor in the P2P matchmaking component. It will always be a contributing factor. I rarely come across other CMDRs myself, but my immediate reaction is not to think open is dead, but rather that I'm simply missing them. I'm not in an overly populated area, but often transit my power's home sytem and other populated systems. Timezone plays a big part too - I'm in Australia so I tend to miss a lot of players because if that (same for me in any online game pretty much). That doesn't explain your situation, being peak UK time of course.

In any event, if people are preferring to play in solo or private groups, maybe it's best to point the finger at those who's playstyle drives others to make that choice (ie the ability to switch modes is not the real issue here). I believe that people playing in solo or private groups simply for an advantage in things like CGs are in the minority. In my experience, most people who choose to avoid open do so to avoid the antisocial actions of certain types of players. Bit of a contradiction isn't it - we have an open mode to enable people to have social interactions, yet because some of those actions end up being antisocial, the very people we want in open for that purpose tend to leave because of the actions of a few jerks. But instead of blaming the jerks (the people really at fault here), we have people blaming the mode switching.
 
No less than fifteen minutes ago I saw four CMDR's SC'ing in the system, another three in an outpost and four more in the adjoining system.

Not sure what Open you are playing, but it's chock full in my part of the galaxy.

Another Imperial CMDR and I were in a random Sirius expansion undermining. I saw him and scanned him in SC; fellow Imperial aligned to a different faction. I simply exchanged pleasantries as I usually do with CMDRs anyway unless they want the drama.

"Greetings, Commander. And happy hunting."

"U2"


Because I knew he was there for the same reason I was. To F over Sirius Corp. Unfortunately, we were there for a couple of hours and not a single Li-aligned CMDR ever showed his face. It is what it is. I'll take the merits.
 
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This thread needs renaming to Open vs Everyone else.

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When you attack and grief people don't be surprised when you are suddenly all alone in your galaxy surrounded by equally minded people.


*claps long & loudly* nice summation :)
 
pew pew, buy something new

*hears a gang of children chanting/singing this :D

So I can grind out cash in CQC, buy an Anaconda in Open out of that cash and go on a player killing spree with it - which is fine apparently, due to no complaints about it here.
But what I earn in Solo or in Groups must be locked out of Open as it's not fair due to less risk??????????????????

Yeah, this is one of the points being avoided by "those" posters here. It doesn't get an answer, although it is asked time & again.
 
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Instancing is messing you around again. As a proud subscriber to one of the worst ISP's is America I can assure you that I come across plenty of people in Open, right up until my ISP starts to throttle my connection, and then it's a wasteland. All I see after 6 P.M. is the Swedish night owls, because CenturyLink routes me through the EU during prime time to avoid getting taxed on the lines they rent from Comcast.
 
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You must admit though, the player who did that does deserve a little bit of respect for the sheer effort put into that endeavor.


Personally I don't think that player deserves any respect as his goal was to screw other players who put months of work into something of everything.

Respect does not equal approval or admiration. You'd respect a velociraptor but you don't have to admire it.

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Not trying to be mean, but to me an effort no matter how Herculean that is done with the goal of grief at the end doesn't impress me. Now if he went all that way and had a way to repair ships that were in need of it. I would be overjoyed at his accomplishment.

I WANT THAT SIG!!!!!
 
*hears a gang of children chanting/singing this :D



Yeah, this is one of the points being avoided by "those" posters here. It doesn't get an answer, although it is asked time & again.

lol, now I can hear the chanting
And yes, I've noticed that only JC will even go near this.

Respect does not equal approval or admiration. You'd respect a velociraptor but you don't have to admire it.

Thank you, nice to know some get it :)
 
I've been in open as usual for a couple of hours this evening - didn't see any human cmdrs but then again I'm in Li Yong-Rui's area of the galaxy rather than one of the core systems, so I'm not surprised.
 
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