Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Agony_Aunt]

You know, I've been sat here trying to figure out if Phos just really, really, really politely called Maj autistic.
My wife and I are cracking up at that post.

I do feel it may not have been intentional, but it has amused us here.

(And for a point of reference, my oldest son has broad spectrum autism and learning difficulties and my oldest daughter was born with brain damage leading to autistic symptoms - so I am quite familiar with this topic and the symptoms)

I don't think so. My son is mildly autistic and we had to spend lots of efforts helping him develop as a young child and learning how to deal with his behaviour. Autists (in general, there are various levels and types) like to plan things through in their heads, they don't like it when things don't go to plan abd they have problems understanding the motivations of others. For this reason, Open is not a good place for many autists as there are more variables than can upset their enjoyment of the game. If they are happily doing whatever, and someone turns up and blows them up, it can really spoil their day, much more than it would for your average person. There fore PvE or Solo are the better places for autistic types (again, i'm generalizing).

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Remove solo so it doesn't effect the Open galaxy

and while you're at it make it offline.

/end thread.

I can't believe you said that.

 

[Phosphora]

I don't think so. My son is mildly autistic and we had to spend lots of efforts helping him develop as a young child and learning how to deal with his behaviour. Autists (in general, there are various levels and types) like to plan things through in their heads, they don't like it when things don't go to plan abd they have problems understanding the motivations of others. For this reason, Open is not a good place for many autists as there are more variables than can upset their enjoyment of the game. If they are happily doing whatever, and someone turns up and blows them up, it can really spoil their day, much more than it would for your average person. There fore PvE or Solo are the better places for autistic types (again, i'm generalizing).

Agony_Aunt wins the internet for today (at least my part of it). The test is hardly scientific, but may give a broad picture. My point is that people differ. Frontier have done a decent job of recognising that with the modes.

Cheers, Phos.

 

[bendover]

Renaming thread

I propose this thread be renamed "The round and round till doomsday thread" people seemed so entrencd in their positions that there will never be consensus Imagine if its true people are leaving OPEN because there simply no sufficient targets to kill,The only reason to be in a non private open is because you want to kill others players,you want to prove yourself,you want to win,Some people wont be happy untill this game turns into COD in space,KILL,KILL,KILL,People are leaving ED open maybe because they dont have the right mind set for this game

 

[Redleg]

I propose this thread be renamed "The round and round till doomsday thread" people seemed so entrencd in their positions that there will never be consensus

They have a word for that. Its Purgatory.

 

[Mouse]

Remove solo so it doesn't effect the Open galaxy

and while you're at it make it offline.

/end thread.

Some would be happy with it offline, but FD wants everyone to have an influences how ever small on the SINGLE background simulation.

The thread will end when some people in one mode stop thinking they are the be all and end all of the game and just realize they are just a part of the game and playing their way.

 

[Jockey79]

Actually I think Phos was saying that Maj is at the other end of the scale. According to the score Phos posted about them selves the "quiz" is saying that Phos is likely Autistic. I scored a 32 so for it says I'm possibly. I put no faith in the quiz but I can see where Phos is coming from. IF you score higher on the quiz you are person who may like to do things alone more or with controlled groups, so Solo and Mobius and other private groups are more your comfort zone.

It probably is just a midlands thing, we have weird grammar and an odd sense of humour at times in the Coventry area.
It was just funny how it reads: we are all different - here is an autism test.

We are still laughing over it, so it really must just be the local humour where we tack on an insult on the end of a seemingly innocent sentence and see if the person notices they were insulted.
It's never been done in a nasty scenes (as far as I am aware), just a friendly banter way - which is how that reads to us (chances are out of habit).

I don't think so. My son is mildly autistic and we had to spend lots of efforts helping him develop as a young child and learning how to deal with his behaviour. Autists (in general, there are various levels and types) like to plan things through in their heads, they don't like it when things don't go to plan abd they have problems understanding the motivations of others.

I know, middle of the summer holidays - this is the worst time ever for us due to the routine falling apart.
My son keeps putting his school uniform on and looking at us trying to figure out why he does not have school - roll on September.
Though, since he hit his teens, he has been better with half term holidays - he can now handle a week off school, but the summer holiday is just a [insert expletive here]

My daughter on the other hand, does not care at all. As long as her food turns up on time (takes after me, so proud ) she is quite happy regardless.
Try being 5 minutes early or 5 minutes late though (and of course, her body clock is set to school timing - d'oh! ).

I've considered boarding school..... but they won't take me

 

[relayer]

So, there's more risk in open, but there is a low amount of PvP in open. Don't you see a contraction there? The tiny amount of extra risk that may be found in open is the reward you get for playing in open.

+rep & 8chars

 

[Cheese Helmet]

Honestly I don't know why there's a solo mode at all. Don't want player interaction? Go to an unpopulated part of the galaxy. It ruins immersion to me for a people to be allowed to affect the galaxy from solo mode.

 

[EdzUp]

One thing that strikes me here when playing freelancer last night is when creating a group couldnt FDEV put a PvP tickbox on the creation screen if its off people in the group cannot hurt each other if on Pvp is ok.

 

[Asp Explorer]

It ruins immersion to me for a people to be allowed to affect the galaxy from solo mode.

For others, their immersion is ruined in Open by pew-pews shouting "I iz gonna sh00t u coz I MITEY PIRATE!" and murdering players in highly populated, lawful, armed-to-the-teeth systems that hold seats of government.

 

[Mouse]

+rep & 8chars

You forgot +1 extra Bacon!

 

[Roybe]

The game isn't worth playing at all if all you do is grind. That at least is my opinion.

'The only relevant PvP in this game is between groups, collecting and turning in PvE trophies"™

 

[relayer]

ninja'd by Jockey

 

[relayer]

Alright, I have an in-game example of the kind of thing that discourages people from open play:

The Cerebus Plague CG is locking people out of their ships, in every mode, when a system goes into lockdown. If your ship is at a port in a system that is infected, you lose access to any ship in that system. And systems are falling every day, logarithmically. There is a cure at Bast (skip the other "disease" CGs; they are all connected to the Bast cure) but it is not making the tiers and so only a few systems are ever cured as the spread gets wider...

This is a CG that is affecting, and will be effecting freedom of movement in the entire galaxy, modes notwithstanding. It is in every player's interest that this does not happen.

However, a group of so-called pirates is attacking anyone in the Bast or Heike systems who is delivering the Rare commodity required. Not so much pirating, mostly shooting. This is kinda stupid. The lockdowns will affect them also and yet they continue to attack participants in this CG to make it fail.

What is the goal of this? Is it merely reactionism (CGs bad) or are they unable to understand this part of the story that FD is making for us? Either way, deliberately trying to make such a CG fail is like shooting off your big toe just to prove you can, so people are switching to solo or group to contribute to this because a subset of players really can't see beyond "u enemy pewpew." Ridiculous.


PS: Mouse: there's another Bacon Port at Gliese 868

 

[relayer]

Probably the same ones who tried to stop the CG for a 20% discount on the Clipper, prior to its release.

Maybe, but in that case I could see a clear benefit for players in denying others something - the Clipper (which is silly now that almost anyone can buy one). But this plague is affecting everyone; the negative benefit means you might log on sometime & find access to your own ship(s) locked out no matter what mode you play in.

 

[Mouse]

Alright, I have an in-game example of the kind of thing that discourages people from open play:

The Cerebus Plague CG is locking people out of their ships, in every mode, when a system goes into lockdown. If your ship is at a port in a system that is infected, you lose access to any ship in that system. And systems are falling every day, logarithmically. There is a cure at Bast (skip the other "disease" CGs; they are all connected to the Bast cure) but it is not making the tiers and so only a few systems are ever cured as the spread gets wider...

This is a CG that is affecting, and will be effecting freedom of movement in the entire galaxy, modes notwithstanding. It is in every player's interest that this does not happen.

However, a group of so-called pirates is attacking anyone in the Bast or Heike systems who is delivering the Rare commodity required. Not so much pirating, mostly shooting. This is kinda stupid. The lockdowns will affect them also and yet they continue to attack participants in this CG to make it fail.

What is the goal of this? Is it merely reactionism (CGs bad) or are they unable to understand this part of the story that FD is making for us? Either way, deliberately trying to make such a CG fail is like shooting off your big toe just to prove you can, so people are switching to solo or group to contribute to this because a subset of players really can't see beyond "u enemy pewpew." Ridiculous.


PS: Mouse: there's another Bacon Port at Gliese 868

Sounds like a group of "want to watch the world burn" types. Have seen them in Minecraft before, Taint appears and they actually do things to help it destroy things, never understood this mindset.


P.S. We need a Bacon Port in Cubeo. Cubeo Bacon sounds like a good new commodity ^,^

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

'The only relevant PvP in this game is between groups, collecting and turning in PvE trophies"™

It's just me but I prefer the "irrelevant" kind of pvp better.

 

[OnePercent]

I don't think so. My son is mildly autistic and we had to spend lots of efforts helping him develop as a young child and learning how to deal with his behaviour. Autists (in general, there are various levels and types) like to plan things through in their heads, they don't like it when things don't go to plan abd they have problems understanding the motivations of others. For this reason, Open is not a good place for many autists as there are more variables than can upset their enjoyment of the game. If they are happily doing whatever, and someone turns up and blows them up, it can really spoil their day, much more than it would for your average person. There fore PvE or Solo are the better places for autistic types (again, i'm generalizing).

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I can't believe you said that.

Sorry, this is my first time posting in this thread.

I am just trying to solve the problem by coming up with a solution that will solve everyone's issue.

My solution is based on what is an easy and simple solution to the problem, SOLO destroys what is emergent and beautifully elegant game play in the online world, It laughs at the triangle of Traders, Pirates and Bounty hunters. This precious Triangle is what makes OPEN appealing, Yet OPEN is a dead ghost town because this Triangle is destroyed.

People want a game, People don't care about what goes on beyond that, Offline is for those who don't want to play Online and with other players and OPEN is those that want to experience the beauty of Emergent gameplay, it's as simple and as democratic a solution to the problem can be and as a bonus those without internet or limited access to the internet can play too, If people can play offline i doubt they'd care about what goes on in the OPEN universe and if they want to experience the OPEN universe they have every right to do so.

My solution STOPS PVP Ruining your game
My solution STOPS Carebears ruining your PVP

 

[Mouse]

Sorry, this is my first time posting in this thread.

I am just trying to solve the problem by coming up with a solution that will solve everyone's issue.

My solution is based on what is an easy and simple solution to the problem, SOLO destroys what is emergent and beautifully elegant game play in the online world, It laughs at the triangle of Traders, Pirates and Bounty hunters. This precious Triangle is what makes OPEN appealing, Yet OPEN is a dead ghost town because this Triangle is destroyed.

People want a game, People don't care about what goes on beyond that, Offline is for those who don't want to play Online and with other players and OPEN is those that want to experience the beauty of Emergent gameplay, it's as simple and as democratic a solution to the problem can be and as a bonus those without internet or limited access to the internet can play too, If people can play offline i doubt they'd care about what goes on in the OPEN universe and if they want to experience the OPEN universe they have every right to do so.

My solution STOPS PVP Ruining your game
My solution STOPS Carebears ruining your PVP

You do realize that in no way do "carebears" (By the way that is considered an insult and frowned upon by mods ) ruin your pvp. And Solo in no ways destroy the game. *sigh* Why is it that some play ED and play in a certain mode and decide that "THAT" mode is the end all and Be all of the game and anyone else not playing in "THEIR" mode is ruining the game.

 

[Faded Glory]

Sorry, this is my first time posting in this thread.

I am just trying to solve the problem by coming up with a solution that will solve everyone's issue.

My solution is based on what is an easy and simple solution to the problem, SOLO destroys what is emergent and beautifully elegant game play in the online world, It laughs at the triangle of Traders, Pirates and Bounty hunters. This precious Triangle is what makes OPEN appealing, Yet OPEN is a dead ghost town because this Triangle is destroyed.

People want a game, People don't care about what goes on beyond that, Offline is for those who don't want to play Online and with other players and OPEN is those that want to experience the beauty of Emergent gameplay, it's as simple and as democratic a solution to the problem can be and as a bonus those without internet or limited access to the internet can play too, If people can play offline i doubt they'd care about what goes on in the OPEN universe and if they want to experience the OPEN universe they have every right to do so.

My solution STOPS PVP Ruining your game
My solution STOPS Carebears ruining your PVP

Your solution was a bit of a non starter from the moment FD cancelled the offline mode.

Solo players don't destroy anything in the game. I'm guessing you are referring to the fact that not enough players choose to trade in Open, so there are few targets for pirates, and unscrupulous players with bounties can 'hide' in Solo so bounty hunters have nothing to do.

Nobody has to play this game as a pirates content unless they wish to do do so. Those that wish to do so are already doing it, those that aren't won't suddenly materialize in Open if you try to separate the modes. Those unscrupulous players sneaking into Solo to hide from the bounty hunters? They are your Open players. You think they will sign up for an Open only world? Very doubtful if they are not willing to take their chances in Open now.

You can blame the modes all you like, but they are actually a simple and elegant solution to the problem of PvP ruining your game if you don't wish it to. And as for C'bears ruining your PvP (be aware, that word is considered in a very dim light by the mods on this thread, it is seen as insulting). Again, those people ruining your PvP (I'm guessing you are referring to combat loggers, but I don't really know), they are Open players.

If Open is a dead ghost town, it's because 'most' people playing the game don't want to play there. Could also be because the sandbox is pretty big, so you just don't see people. Creating a separate Open game, or even offering the choice of an offline game, which plenty of people wanted, won't change that at all. Those people who want to play with you are already doing so.

Edit: Ninja'd by Mouse... With far fewer words.