the only time i killed an NPC was in the tutorial and it took almost an hour.
the comments that say that NPC's can't fight are all lies.
the three modes have caused allot of griefers to whine though.
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the only time i killed an NPC was in the tutorial and it took almost an hour.
the comments that say that NPC's can't fight are all lies.
the three modes have caused allot of griefers to whine though.
I have a 1st class degree in Mech Eng and I know nothing. To assume a degree provides all your requirements is to fail the 1st law of engineering. ie. never assume you know everything. A degree provides a framework and that is all. The real learning happens afterwards and never ceases. Furthermore no degree can factor for 'missing the bleeding obvious' or 'has it been switched on?'.
Nothing will 'force' me into PvP. I am happy in group PvE. I have little interest in anything other than a co-operative open PvE. I believe in 1000yr humanity would move on from ganking and numptyism. PvP to my mind is nothing less than bullying and fighting for the sake of self gratification and self aggrandising. It is symptomatic of one persons need to prove themselves better than another.
Sure I shoot NPCs down. But they are just binary characters without feelings, emotions or substance. They are just computer bits. I have no urge to to be seen to dominate another human. I'd sooner offer them my hand in support than my fist to beat them down, in this 'game'. Should I wish to enter mortal combat with a fellow human, I'd choose another more appropriate medium such as BF4 where this is the sole purpose of the game. This game, however has a much grander scale about it and I choose to follow the norms of the society I currently reside within. ie I dont shoot some fellow in Waitrose because hes got a bag full of chocolate malted milk. I will however kick an empty can or chuck conkers at the damn squirrels to frighten them off the supposedly squirrel proof bird feeders.
Nothing will 'force' me into PvP. I am happy in group PvE. I have little interest in anything other than a co-operative open PvE. I believe in 1000yr humanity would move on from ganking and numptyism. PvP to my mind is nothing less than bullying and fighting for the sake of self gratification and self aggrandising. It is symptomatic of one persons need to prove themselves better than another.
Sure I shoot NPCs down. But they are just binary characters without feelings, emotions or substance. They are just computer bits. I have no urge to to be seen to dominate another human. I'd sooner offer them my hand in support than my fist to beat them down, in this 'game'. Should I wish to enter mortal combat with a fellow human, I'd choose another more appropriate medium such as BF4 where this is the sole purpose of the game. This game, however has a much grander scale about it and I choose to follow the norms of the society I currently reside within. ie I dont shoot some fellow in Waitrose because hes got a bag full of chocolate malted milk. I will however kick an empty can or chuck conkers at the damn squirrels to frighten them off the supposedly squirrel proof bird feeders.
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+1. Too many times I have encountered freshly qualified graduates who assume that their academically based opinion must be correct in the face of reasoned opposition from more experienced personnel. Sometimes their peers break it to them gently, other times they are allowed to run with the metaphorical rope around their neck until being brought sharply to a halt. A degree merely indicates that a person was capable of learning during their course. As you rightly say, the real learning comes later - seasoned with practical experience and the benefit of working with others. Spotting fundamental issues is always interesting - broaching them with someone who has been working on something for quite some time takes a certain amount of tact and diplomacy....
+1. Too many times I have encountered freshly qualified graduates who assume that their academically based opinion must be correct in the face of reasoned opposition from more experienced personnel. Sometimes their peers break it to them gently, other times they are allowed to run with the metaphorical rope around their neck until being brought sharply to a halt. A degree merely indicates that a person was capable of learning during their course. As you rightly say, the real learning comes later - seasoned with practical experience and the benefit of working with others. Spotting fundamental issues is always interesting - broaching them with someone who has been working on something for quite some time takes a certain amount of tact and diplomacy....
Reminds me of the most feared statement in the Air Force, a brand new Butterbar (2nd LT) going , "It's been my experience". Nothing screwed things up more than a new LT coming in and thinking his rank and degree meant he knew what they was doing. I can't count how many times flights had to be "helped" because their LT didn't listen to those who had experience. Instead they thought they were hot stuff and instead found themselves on the rug in the Col's officer explaining their sections poor performance.
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even if that's true, it still penalizes any pirate willing to issue a "stand and deliver" command rather than just open fire and kill as quickly as possible.
Hello All - new to the forums but not the games. Played them all since Elite on the Amstrad cpc464.
Had to register just to add my input to this thread. Reading it brought to mind a dog chasing itself round a tree.
To Frontierdev - the whiners, idiots and the "has to be like this or that" morons are what ruined World of Warcraft and other games out there. You guys set the game up how you wanted and PLEASE don't let this lot make you change anything. If they don't like it they can **** off, frankly. You may lose some idiots but you will keep the people worth keeping, I assure you - the game alone is why most of us old farts are here!
At the moment the beauty of this game (and, indeed, has always been with Elite et. al.) is CHOICE. We can play our way - in "open" so the small people can get their jollies feeling good about ruining someone else's fun (PLEASE NOTE:This does not apply to all pirates, privateers, bounty hunters, etc - just the mongs that like to ruin things) and in "solo" when we have had enough of that or just want to be alone.
Removing or changing anything about the game to suit whiners WILL damage the game more in the long term - let the whiners go if they don't like it - the fans will always stay!
PS: please don't bother with "cool story bro, you mad, tldr" or any other comment people with very small minds put when faced with more than 4 words to read - it belittles you.
Had to register just to add my input to this thread. Reading it brought to mind a dog chasing itself round a tree.
To Frontierdev - the whiners, idiots and the "has to be like this or that" morons are what ruined World of Warcraft and other games out there. You guys set the game up how you wanted and PLEASE don't let this lot make you change anything. If they don't like it they can **** off, frankly. You may lose some idiots but you will keep the people worth keeping, I assure you - the game alone is why most of us old farts are here!
At the moment the beauty of this game (and, indeed, has always been with Elite et. al.) is CHOICE. We can play our way - in "open" so the small people can get their jollies feeling good about ruining someone else's fun (PLEASE NOTE:This does not apply to all pirates, privateers, bounty hunters, etc - just the mongs that like to ruin things) and in "solo" when we have had enough of that or just want to be alone.
Removing or changing anything about the game to suit whiners WILL damage the game more in the long term - let the whiners go if they don't like it - the fans will always stay!
PS: please don't bother with "cool story bro, you mad, tldr" or any other comment people with very small minds put when faced with more than 4 words to read - it belittles you.
Some of us are trying to get a formal request for an Open-PVE where people can interact but the PVP is confined to CZ and such or not allowed at all.
Same in the RAF... give an old experienced Flight Sergeant a new Flt Lt, so he can sit him down in the office and explain how the Flt Lt is a figurehead. His role is to let the flight run correctly without poking his nose in and then take all the credit at the Squadron ops reviews
Great idea - and forgive the tone of my post, it was aimed at those players that feel the game should be their way or no way. You know the sort.
Oh we know them very well, we tangle with them quite a bit.
Another idea I thought of on a different thread, mainly because some Only Open PVP advocates keep trying to say that open is like the old west.. yet it is more like the Spanish Main, yet those who prey on others have no real consequences for their actions, so....
I think you have some interesting ideas, but I don't think you should tie the bounty to the ship. I think instead that if someone has a bounty above a certain amount (say $5000) than he can't sell his ship, modules, or even re-arm/repair in a civilized sector. He can't dock in stations only outposts, and if his ship is too big.. he's in trouble. BUT.. if he can get to a station that is controlled by pirates then he can.. though the price would probably be higher than normal to get repaired. Maybe even have station personnel who can take care of their bounty for a hefty cut allowing him access back into civilized sectors.
I mean if someone wants to play as a pirate, lets make it at least partly realistic.
I don't understand being "hostile" to a system and the station allowing me to dock and fully repair, rearm and everything.
(original post) https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=170699&p=2676159&viewfull=1#post2676159
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To be fair...... (and I may have missed them) but most of the vocal PvP and Open or hit the road people seem to have bowed out, and this has kind of become a bit of a lets all have a go at the PvP group at the moment.
Maybe it is time to call a truce with the name calling from all camps and get back to chatting about the modes without the needling - at least until someone jumps in poking the wasps nest again? -
sorry, I have had some good news today so must be in a more charitable mood than normal
Maybe it is time to call a truce with the name calling from all camps and get back to chatting about the modes without the needling - at least until someone jumps in poking the wasps nest again?
-sorry, I have had some good news today so must be in a more charitable mood than normal
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To be fair...... (and I may have missed them) but most of the vocal PvP or hit the road people seem to have bowed out, and this has kind of become a bit of a lets all have a go at the PvP group at the moment.
Maybe it is time to call a truce with the name calling from all camps and get back to chatting about the modes without the needling - at least until someone jumps in poking the wasps nest again?
sorry, I have had some good news today so must be in a more charitable news than normal
It would be very nice if players on all sides of this debate could do their best to conduct themselves civilly and with suitable respect for opposing arguments.
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To be fair...... (and I may have missed them) but most of the vocal PvP and Open or hit the road people seem to have bowed out, and this has kind of become a bit of a lets all have a go at the PvP group at the moment.
Maybe it is time to call a truce with the name calling from all camps and get back to chatting about the modes without the needling - at least until someone jumps in poking the wasps nest again?
sorry, I have had some good news today so must be in a more charitable mood than normal
They didn't bow out, they refocused their energy to getting the thread requesting an Open PvE Mode shutdown
With full "hiding" and "coward" remarks in full swing, Yaffle had to lock it.
Looks like they are proactively trying to stop anything that would help PvE players find a PvE area to play in.
I'm thinking of going to the Mobius Group forums and suggesting advertisement nights, where some log into open and just talk about the group all night in local chat at the busy stations and in the starting areas - so players who do not use the forums know they don't have to put up with unwanted PvP. The main downside to that, is Mobius would have to lose his night accepting join requests.
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Meh,
is this a conversation that really needs to be had.
How is Solo vs Open - a thing.
I started out as Solo, until I felt comfortable I wasn't going to embarrass myself with my piloting skills.
(Don't worry they are still atrocious, but I can handle the embarrassment now).
Playing games *should* be relaxing/energetic and fun.
I get some people don't really want to have to bother with having to hang out, with other people, or (in their minds) get stressed and strained to much by other players hassling their free-time by ruining their game.
It's like having the big bully kid stomp on your sandcastle, or the ambitious architect show of their elaborate sand sculpture, when you were just happy playing in the sand so I get why people want to play solo, no bother to me.
And sometimes it's nice with a bit of alone time.
I got my steam account, with friends turned off, because I have that 'one' guy who just won't stop pestering me, when I take my computer out of standby mode to check something, I get spammed with conversation.
I play in Open,
but I don't think my OPEN is the same as everyone else's.
I'm going to run an experiment. I'm up in the north of Sweden, and I have the strangest of feeling the networking and instancing is very discriminating with filtering unstable connections.
That my view of the galaxy is tad emptier. I'm at Sol now, and no one else is there.
So I shall fly to Lave / Leesti, (never been there yet) and see if there is a crowd of people waiting to spam my ship with dumb-fires......(does that still happen?)
is this a conversation that really needs to be had.
How is Solo vs Open - a thing.
I started out as Solo, until I felt comfortable I wasn't going to embarrass myself with my piloting skills.
(Don't worry they are still atrocious, but I can handle the embarrassment now).
Playing games *should* be relaxing/energetic and fun.
I get some people don't really want to have to bother with having to hang out, with other people, or (in their minds) get stressed and strained to much by other players hassling their free-time by ruining their game.
It's like having the big bully kid stomp on your sandcastle, or the ambitious architect show of their elaborate sand sculpture, when you were just happy playing in the sand so I get why people want to play solo, no bother to me.
And sometimes it's nice with a bit of alone time.
I got my steam account, with friends turned off, because I have that 'one' guy who just won't stop pestering me, when I take my computer out of standby mode to check something, I get spammed with conversation.
I play in Open,
but I don't think my OPEN is the same as everyone else's.
I'm going to run an experiment. I'm up in the north of Sweden, and I have the strangest of feeling the networking and instancing is very discriminating with filtering unstable connections.
That my view of the galaxy is tad emptier. I'm at Sol now, and no one else is there.
So I shall fly to Lave / Leesti, (never been there yet) and see if there is a crowd of people waiting to spam my ship with dumb-fires......(does that still happen?)
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Actually just the opposite. The timer starts when you first hit the target(get the assault bounty). You can threaten all day, only once the violence starts do you need to be quick. It only really effects situations where the target needs "convincing" but eventually complies. It's also another downside for the use of limpets.
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