Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Robert Maynard]

If player interactions would be more rewarded than this dry PvE grind, I suppose more players would to dare to play open and take the risk for the better rewards.

Maybe if the enhanced bounties were only levied on those players who destroy other players - a Pilot's Federation "enhanced" bounty, as it were, then those who enjoy PvP would earn them and, in turn, have them collected by other players.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Maybe if the enhanced bounties were only levied on those players who destroy other players - a Pilot's Federation "enhanced" bounty, as it were, then those who enjoy PvP would earn them and, in turn, have them collected by other players.

I really like this idea.

 

[Jockey79]

Maybe if the enhanced bounties were only levied on those players who destroy other players - a Pilot's Federation "enhanced" bounty, as it were, then those who enjoy PvP would earn them and, in turn, have them collected by other players.

Alas cannot +1

Care for some cubeo bacon in lieu?

 

[Crimson Kaim]

Maybe if the enhanced bounties were only levied on those players who destroy other players - a Pilot's Federation "enhanced" bounty, as it were, then those who enjoy PvP would earn them and, in turn, have them collected by other players.

This could work out. There are many possibilities to improve PvP rewards.
I sop hope they will do that, it would actually balance the modes without a single nerf to one of them.

 

[DarkWalker]

Maybe if the enhanced bounties were only levied on those players who destroy other players - a Pilot's Federation "enhanced" bounty, as it were, then those who enjoy PvP would earn them and, in turn, have them collected by other players.

Which was (or something very similar was) promised in the Kickstart, reinforced in the DDR, then never implemented...

Reading the DDR threads can make one sad. So many interesting ideas, so many promising features discussed by Frontier and never implemented...

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Which was (or something very similar was) promised in the Kickstart, reinforced in the DDR, then never implemented...

Reading the DDR threads can make one sad. So many interesting ideas, so many promising features discussed by Frontier and never implemented...

"Reading the DDR threads can make one sad. So many interesting ideas, so many promising features discussed by Frontier and never implemented..."

We can't have it all. I think some loss was to be expected given the goals they set. Better to aim for paradise and fall short, than remain stuck in the desert..

 

[-Pv-]

"Open being removed suggestion (by me) is in direct response to 2 previous mega threads worth of people asking for Solo and Group to be removed. And while I do still think it is a good idea - it shows that the people who first brought up the idea of removing a feature to suit them, didn't like it when the suggestion was turned back at them."

Yes, what goes around comes around.
I don't advocate removing anything.
Build on what's there. Improve. Don't throw away working code years in the making. People are BUYING this code. Throwing the code away throws away company profits.

"Maybe if the enhanced bounties were only levied on those players who destroy other players - a Pilot's Federation "enhanced" bounty, as it were, then those who enjoy PvP would earn them and, in turn, have them collected by other players."

This is a productive suggestion. A modifier to this suggestion is to only apply the additional bounty to those who attack lower ranked unwanted pilots.

-Pv-

 

[Spook]

"Reading the DDR threads can make one sad. So many interesting ideas, so many promising features discussed by Frontier and never implemented..."

We can't have it all. I think some loss was to be expected given the goals they set. Better to aim for paradise and fall short, than remain stuck in the desert..

I always preferred - Leap for the stars, you may just about hit your head on the ceiling.

Or in FD's case, as the game stands at the moment versus the earlier promise outlined in KS - crawl up off the floor onto your knees clear of the vomit stained carpet your currently rolling in.




To harsh?

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

I always preferred - Leap for the stars, you may just about hit your head on the ceiling.

Or in FD's case, as the game stands at the moment versus the earlier promise outlined in KS - crawl up off the floor onto your knees clear of the vomit stained carpet your currently rolling in.




To harsh?

Hehe, I actually like the game I bought You would have to ask the devs if that was "too harsh"..

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I love the game I bought. For me it is the game of 2014. I still love my time in it (large!y down to VR)

But the game in the DDF......... There is a contender for game of the decade. I just hope at least some of it esp the crime and punishment and the persistant npcs are still on their way and just a bit behind schedule

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

I'm glad you enjoy it - and despite the claims from others playing open about it being a wasteland,
you seem to have found a great area for yourself.



Open being removed suggestion (by me) is in direct response to 2 previous mega threads worth of people asking for Solo and Group to be removed. And while I do still think it is a good idea - it shows that the people who first brought up the idea of removing a feature to suit them, didn't like it when the suggestion was turned back at them.

As for who is on the forums and who is playing - dual screen, I do both
Though I've been known to make the odd pilot error not paying attention to my main screen

"Open being removed suggestion (by me) "

I heard Roybe and Pv both claim it was THEIR suggestion (I may be mistaken though), but it does not matter i suppose. But I do think you are one of about only 3 people who think that, so i guess it is probably not something that is ever likely to happen. Only 2 voted for it in the above poll ^^^^. Not once have I heard anyone referring to Open as a "wasteland" (other than you) in the last week or so either, so maybe the problem is fixed now. Who knows, no one seems to have the statistics to back up their claims

"you seem to have found a great area for yourself."


Well it is not hard to find, it is in the main menu!

 

[Jockey79]

"Open being removed suggestion (by me) "

I heard Roybe and Pv both claim it was THEIR suggestion (I may be mistaken though), but it does not matter i suppose. But I do think you are one of about only 3 people who think that, so i guess it is probably not something that is ever likely to happen. Only 2 voted for it in the above poll ^^^^. Not once have I heard anyone referring to Open as a "wasteland" (other than you) in the last week or so either, so maybe the problem is fixed now. Who knows, no one seems to have the statistics to back up their claims

"you seem to have found a great area for yourself."


Well it is not hard to find, it is in the main menu!

Roybe never said to remove Open Mode - he suggested PvP be moved out of Open Mode to CQC and then Open could be PvE only.
Pv answered above.

As I said before, back when I put you on my ignore list, the "open is a wasteland" was thrown about for a long time - you can see it within the first half of mega thread one a lot and dotted about in mega thread 2.
Also, there were a few back in mega thread one and some in the first half of mega 2 that continuously asked for Solo and Groups to be removed and/or for Open to have its own back ground simulation away from them. Along with ideas of having extra character slots to be able to swap between the two. This topic is far from new, my Wall of Information has Kickstarter links dating back 3 years now on it.

This is why I keep saying go back and look - I don't mean to study it as if you'll get an exam at the end, but just for a general browse / flick through when you have spare time. You will get a rough idea of what has come before.
Heck, some fresh eyes on those old ideas may bring something new to them, you may see a few things mentioned and combine them in a way no one else has.

It's in part why I started saying Remove Open Mode all together, in my 10 months in this topic it's the only idea I've not seen anywhere.
And I still think it would work, it would stop this fracture of the forums and let people just get on with playing the game. It would be a shame to lose it, but as it seems to be the main problem with the game,
no open = no problem.

 

[Phosphora]

I'm really enjoying myself in solo, but I totally understand that it's not for everyone.

Viva la difference!

Cheers, Phos

 

[Jockey79]

I'm really enjoying myself in solo, but I totally understand that it's not for everyone.

Viva la difference!

Cheers, Phos

I only use it when I'm feeling really anti-social.
So around my birthday normally

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Roybe never said to remove Open Mode - he suggested PvP be moved out of Open Mode to CQC and then Open could be PvE only.
Pv answered above.

As I said before, back when I put you on my ignore list, the "open is a wasteland" was thrown about for a long time - you can see it within the first half of mega thread one a lot and dotted about in mega thread 2.
Also, there were a few back in mega thread one and some in the first half of mega 2 that continuously asked for Solo and Groups to be removed and/or for Open to have its own back ground simulation away from them. Along with ideas of having extra character slots to be able to swap between the two. This topic is far from new, my Wall of Information has Kickstarter links dating back 3 years now on it.

This is why I keep saying go back and look - I don't mean to study it as if you'll get an exam at the end, but just for a general browse / flick through when you have spare time. You will get a rough idea of what has come before.
Heck, some fresh eyes on those old ideas may bring something new to them, you may see a few things mentioned and combine them in a way no one else has.

It's in part why I started saying Remove Open Mode all together, in my 10 months in this topic it's the only idea I've not seen anywhere.
And I still think it would work, it would stop this fracture of the forums and let people just get on with playing the game. It would be a shame to lose it, but as it seems to be the main problem with the game,
no open = no problem.

"As I said before, back when I put you on my ignore list,"

How is that working out for you ?

"you can see it within the first half of mega thread one a lot and dotted about in mega thread 2."

If you look carefully, you will say I said in the last week But feel free to tell me more about the "wall of text" your sig links to. I have seen no one complaining about Open at all being a "wasteland".

" This topic is far from new, my Wall of Information has Kickstarter links dating back 3 years now on it."

And yet this game has moved on so much in 3 years. I think you make more of these issues than is warranted. But you ARE entitled to your opinion...

 

[Jockey79]

"As I said before, back when I put you on my ignore list,"

How is that working out for you ?

Yea, turns out that "feature" of these boards is pointless. Also, looking at it from a mobile phone leaves a massive message on the screen to remove someone from ignore to see what they had put - I don't think the mobile version of the forums quite understands the feature to be honest, lol.

But I've only ever left one person on ignore for longer than a week on any board (happened to be this one) - and that was because I'd forgotten I'd put them there (removed them when you went on).

"you can see it within the first half of mega thread one a lot and dotted about in mega thread 2."

If you look carefully, you will say I said in the last week But feel free to tell me more about the "wall of text" your sig links to. I have seen no one complaining about Open at all being a "wasteland".

Stick around, the "wasteland" comments will cycle back around - they always do.

" This topic is far from new, my Wall of Information has Kickstarter links dating back 3 years now on it."

And yet this game has moved on so much in 3 years. I think you make more of these issues than is warranted. But you ARE entitled to your opinion...

Really, you think it's moved on?

I'd have gone with still not completed to what was talked about. Crime and punishment system is still not up to scratch, walking around ships not even started on as far as I know. Planet landings coming out in stages.
Lots of the DDA is no where near what was talked about, it is all still a work in progress.

XB1 coming out was out of the blue as far as I can tell. Much to the annoyance of some - as that Dev time could have been used to work on features from KS and the DDA.
But FD did say it was a 10 year development plan - so plenty of time yet - so it is all still relevant.

Also, some of my Wall is new, where Devs confirm older stuff is still valid. Like no buffing open or restricting movement between modes. I think it is 2 Devs I have and DBOBE quoted within the last 3 months.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Really, you think it's moved on?

I'd have gone with still not completed to what was talked about. Crime and punishment system is still not up to scratch, walking around ships not even started on as far as I know. Planet landings coming out in stages.
Lots of the DDA is no where near what was talked about, it is all still a work in progress.

I actually agree with some of these points, I too was a little disheartened at the "planet release in stages" aspect. But, I have to go with it.

 

[why fi at all]

If you look carefully, you will say I said in the last week But feel free to tell me more about the "wall of text" your sig links to. I have seen no one complaining about Open at all being a "wasteland".

actually people complaining that open is a vacant wasteland was a pretty common theme for a while.

and when we said that it was your own doing for chasing people out of open the comments of that sort died down.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

actually people complaining that open is a vacant wasteland was a pretty common theme for a while.

and when we said that it was your own doing for chasing people out of open the comments of that sort died down.

"and when we said that it was your own doing "

Well I believe this is kind of like, Darwinian selection. Either way, last time I played, saw MANY Cmdrs, so it is just a matter of perspective. If players are being "chased" into other modes, that is fine, ALL the modes are equal and valid

 

[R3DB3RD]

So... I've done a little reading. Beginning at the beginning all the way back to the beginning and have taken my time to read through the whole megathread(s) from the beginning.
I step into the foray with a few terabytes of data in my manbag and I would like to make a suggestion.
It appears to me, and dont judge me so hastily, for this is just my honest opinion, that there is a rather simple solution to many of the issues rising and falling in this particular discussion.

For those of you that like pvp and the vastness of randomness that is open - continue to play in Open and stop worrying about what everybody else is doing. The BGS will carry on regardless.

For those of you that like co operative pve and consensual pvp and the warm embrace of mutual respect and togetherness - continue to play in Group and stop worrying about what everybody else is doing. The BGS will carry on regardless.

For those of you that like solitude and absolute pve and the peace of mind to control your corner of the galaxy unhindered and unmolested - continue to play in Solo and stop worrying about what everybody else is doing. The BGS will carry on regardless.

The game is what it is, neither yours nor mine to dictate future design, facilitate or manipulate change, to presume or mandate business models nor is it yours or mine to mold, shape and transform into something other than what it already is.

As customers we have the right to expose bugs and exploits that everyone agrees upon. Everything else is subjective, individual perspective based conjecture that only serves to distort and obfuscate what might be necessary or conducive to furthering the original vision of the games creators.

So... Please do continue to play in the mode of your choice and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. The BGS, FD and DBOB will carry on regardless.

Mindfullness. A litte bit goes a long way.

o7