Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

Do you want a Open PvE

  • Yes, I want a Open PvE

    Votes: 54 51.4%
  • No, I don't want a Open PvE

    Votes: 49 46.7%
  • I want only Open PvE and PvP only in groups

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    105
  • Poll closed .
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Has to be something about the sci-fi genre in gaming. Picked up Battlefront recently, and the biggest threads on the related forum? Masses of players who want to play against bots rather than other players. This whole pvp vs pvai thing is bigger than Elite. I find this to be very encouraging.


If Battlefront had a fully flushed out campaign I would love to play it, one thing I loved about Battlefield 2, Bad Company 2.. there is a whole single player campaign that is rather compelling and pulls you in.. and I keep hoping at some point Battlefield will come out with another Bad Company campaign to continue the story
 
Just going to leave this here;

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Tell me again how forced open only benefits the game.
Tell me again about the lure of forced PvP.
Tell me again why we don't need a PvE only mode.

Anyone ?
 
I am not condoning Asp's point, but it is absolutely valid. The change he is stating is very little work for a large 'reward' and cannot be called a cheat since every computer user has the right to limit who has access to their computer and network. Since the basis of this game is peer-to-peer this action is not preventable, or actionable, by the devs. His point stands that if someone wants to play in Open and avoid people it can be done quite simply.

I am wondering why he quoted a post from July this year out of context. Asp and many others who understand a lot more about networking just explain what is possible, or why some things are not possible due to the P2P networking in the game.

If started on SOG MK1 (or 3) and working through fair play, but to pick a random post from many months ago seems a little strange, who knows maybe google did it, or possibly the forum search option, it has led me to unrelated threads many a time :)

Fortunately FD have given us the choice via the menu, I can't see them changing that, so no need for me to take a networking course to be able to "play it your way".

Ps thanks for the pic Jockey, good to see PVE growing, also with the addition of groups for the Xbox guys in the future I can see PvE and PwP gaining popularity across all platforms, shame we will likely never see those players.

Ooohhh I wonder.............. is there a SOG or PVE thread on the Xbox forums (I guess not as groups are not a thing there yet, only open and solo?) if not lets get started lol, we need to embrace our console brothers and sisters and show them the joy of PvE and PwP.

I vote that Roybe starts it (how do I start a poll lol), great explanation of how the game works, then Jockeys wall of text in post two and we are away, on the way to sharing the love with the Xbox crew.

Geez, sorry for that I got all peace and love on you guys. I need to work on that flaw :p
 
Not only are you willing to cheat people out of the way they want to play, but you are willing to edit your freakin routing tables to do it?? Im no IT genius, but the amount of effort you are talking about going to... flying around in a ship, somehow nabbing the IP address... (if thats even possible??) by just seeing if they shoot you... and altering the way the game works to perform how you like to play... So hack to win?
It's easily possible. P2P networking means that your computer is directly linked to the other players you are instanced with. All you need to do is peek at your open connections at the moment, and voila IP addresses which you can now block. I don't consider that cheating at all. My computer, my internet, and I choose who connects to either. Period. That said, I play solo so it's not an issue. However, I'll defend anyone's right to choose who they connect with.
 
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Love how you use words like "cheat" and "hack". Clearly you have no idea.

Using my router in the way it was designed to be used is neither cheating or hacking - it just shows I actually read that little book that came with it - the "manual".
You can also do the same with a software firewall, Zone Alarm for instance. 5 minutes to set up and you're in open yet on your own - that is also free of charge.

Frontier cannot tell you who can or cannot connect to your computer, only your ISP has that power - even then, only if you break any laws (which this does not).
My computer, my rules. Don't like it, then stop trying to force yourself on me - simple.

Also, FD have always maintained - I can choose who I play with.



https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=169599&page=95&p=2649994&viewfull=1#post2649994

You can use your router any way you want. Be that guy. You are still manipulating out of game variables to affect the game you are playing in. It's called cheating.

I didn't know Tom Brady played this game.

Edit: to clarify, I don't care about bonus points in open or playing solo. It irks me to see people talking about making their own modification to how the game works and call that anything else but a cheat. You are removing obstacles from your game. Cheating. You win because you block ebil piwate IPs. Cheating. Altering the game environment using outside tools. Cheating.

2nd edit: I hope I run into you so that I can VPN my way past your idea, and laugh while you spend all day playing with your router instead of learning how to fly your space ship.
 
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You can use your router any way you want. Be that guy. You are still manipulating out of game variables to affect the game you are playing in. It's called cheating.

I didn't know Tom Brady played this game.

Edit: to clarify, I don't care about bonus points in open or playing solo. It irks me to see people talking about making their own modification to how the game works and call that anything else but a cheat. You are removing obstacles from your game. Cheating. You win because you block ebil piwate IPs. Cheating. Altering the game environment using outside tools. Cheating.


You do realize that you are talking to mainly British people who have no clue as to who Tom Brady is right? They watch real football, and some may watch NFL. And when people have to take outside actions to counter the not so legal actions of people inside the game... is it cheating? Or is it adhering to the game Frontier said you could play that others decided they didn't want you to play your way?
 
So many people seem to have completely overlooked my point in that I don't participate in such activity - I merely point it out.

Of course, anyone could do this very easily, the execution is trivial, and if at any point FD are tempted to remove the freedom of Solo mode for those who choose to use it, I'll have an absolute field day with it.

They also miss the fact you have stated many, many times you play in open, and have no need to block anyone as well.

We all know FD will never, ever, remove solo, they have stated all modes are equal many times.

If they were crazy enough to do it a year after launch with I think ~ 1 million sales I would switch off something.

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I would guess changing upnpenabled="1" to upnpenabled="0" would do the job without the need for anything fancy.

I am quite happy I will never have to try it, FD will never drop solo, there is also the PEGI7 issue, it won't ever happen (and yes I know that you know that too ;)).
 
You have really failed to grasp this.

.....You are still manipulating out of game variables to affect the game you are playing in. It's called cheating.

Frontier make the game, I'm choosing who I see within the game - NOT changing the game to suit me, there is a difference you are failing to see (on purpose I suspect).
Cheating would be modifying the game code to give me an advantage, which I would never do, for 2 reasons
;

First and most important, cheating is wrong.
Secondly, I have no idea how to modify a game - never needed to know, not going to start now.

Choosing who I see in game, is part of the game. It was an advertised feature, that I based my purchase on.
At the moment, I use the in game tools to select who I play with an when I play with them.
But I can use any method I like, as Frontier have no say over my hardware/ internet and I'm not modifying their game or code (aka not cheating).

Edit: to clarify, I don't care about bonus points in open or playing solo. It irks me to see people talking about making their own modification to how the game works and call that anything else but a cheat. You are removing obstacles from your game. Cheating. You win because you block ebil piwate IPs. Cheating. Altering the game environment using outside tools. Cheating.

No one is talking about changing how the game works - no one is touching the game.
The whole chat that you have ignored is calls to unbalance the game to lock rewards to open mode - we are providing the counter reason not to push for that, because it won't work.
People can and will use change their hardware settings to bypass the open only lockouts for rewards.

Again, this is not cheating - as no one is changing the game or how it works. Choosing who we play with is part of the game, as advertised.

2nd edit: I hope I run into you so that I can VPN my way past your idea, and laugh while you spend all day playing with your router instead of learning how to fly your space ship.

How are you going to run in to me?
I choose who to play with and have very high standards.
You don't make the cut.

Oh, and VPNs would be under the same constrictions on using outside networking - so under your comments, you're cheating by using them ;)
 
2nd edit: I hope I run into you so that I can VPN my way past your idea, and laugh while you spend all day playing with your router instead of learning how to fly your space ship.
Oh the irony is strong in this one. You counter a simple (4 keystrokes total, 6 if you count the multipress separately) IP block by playing with VPN's now? This must have gotten under your skin in some fashion to elicit such a response.
 
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I would guess changing upnpenabled="1" to upnpenabled="0" would do the job without the need for anything fancy.

Relay and uPnP off = Solo Mode :)

Guess Leto wasn't around when people were modifying the game files to turn uPnP on (as it was off by default).
All those people modifying the game (aka "Cheating") so they could play WITH other players and not alone.
I remember reading the tutorials on how to do it.

Such a nasty cheating bunch of gamers, expecting to see others in a multiplayer game - how dare they.
Even though FD purposely left uPnP off, people changing the game code (without permission) so they could see other people.

All anyone is doing, is reverting the game settings back to their original defaults, that FD had when the game came out :D

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Relay and uPnP off = Solo Mode :)

Guess Leto wasn't around when people were modifying the game files to turn uPnP on (as it was off by default).
All those people modifying the game (aka "Cheating") so they could play WITH other players and not alone.
I remember reading the tutorials on how to do it.

Such a nasty cheating bunch of gamers, expecting to see others in a multiplayer game - how dare they.
Even though FD purposely left uPnP off, people changing the game code (without permission) so they could see other people.

All anyone is doing, is reverting the game settings back to their original defaults, that FD had when the game came out :D

/s

Thanks I knew the solo button (restore to default) was in there somewhere :)

Ahh memorys <puts on rose tinted glasses>.

I played most days since PB1 a little less more recently, I never changed a config file, I guess I put it down to the instancing, there was initially a hard cap at 16, IIRC it didn't take too long for them to fix the upnp issue (or I just didn't notice for a while, IDK).

Oh those Freeport tax mob, pirating 1/6 of our systems, happy days when piracy was in its infancy, and you had to "cheat" to make open work.

Now all I want to do is get my bloody SRV back in my wire frame paint Cobra MK3 and find a rock with a base on it. I will give it 15 mins before I self destruct and try again :(
 
Now all I want to do is get my bloody SRV back in my wire frame paint Cobra MK3 and find a rock with a base on it. I will give it 15 mins before I self destruct and try again :(

Stick with it, it's tricky... ;)

I had two occasions when the ship's doors shut before I was able to get back in, but managed it on the third try. :)
 
The Aligned button lights up on the right of the HUD. They will also add a "BEEP" next as requested.
Anyways, please please rid SOLO/PRIVATE GROUP for any rank/financial progress. We need players to meet. You can simply use Block Player for all idiots that bother you.
Make the main game OPEN. Then allow complete interaction with NPC ships including demands for cargo and extra Wingmen, etc.
 
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The Aligned button lights up on the right of the HUD. They will also add a "BEEP" next as requested.
Anyways, please please rid SOLO/PRIVATE GROUP for any rank/financial progress. We need players to meet. You can simply use Block Player for all idiots that bother you.
Make the main game OPEN. Then allow complete interaction with NPC ships including demands for cargo and extra Wingmen, etc.


How about rid it from Open then make the main game Solo/Private? That way those in open can play all they want and no longer try to take the game from everyone else for their own selfish reasons.
 
You have really failed to grasp this.



Frontier make the game, I'm choosing who I see within the game - NOT changing the game to suit me, there is a difference you are failing to see (on purpose I suspect).
Cheating would be modifying the game code to give me an advantage, which I would never do, for 2 reasons
;

First and most important, cheating is wrong.
Secondly, I have no idea how to modify a game - never needed to know, not going to start now.

Choosing who I see in game, is part of the game. It was an advertised feature, that I based my purchase on.
At the moment, I use the in game tools to select who I play with an when I play with them.
But I can use any method I like, as Frontier have no say over my hardware/ internet and I'm not modifying their game or code (aka not cheating).



No one is talking about changing how the game works - no one is touching the game.
The whole chat that you have ignored is calls to unbalance the game to lock rewards to open mode - we are providing the counter reason not to push for that, because it won't work.
People can and will use change their hardware settings to bypass the open only lockouts for rewards.

Again, this is not cheating - as no one is changing the game or how it works. Choosing who we play with is part of the game, as advertised.



How are you going to run in to me?
I choose who to play with and have very high standards.
You don't make the cut.

Oh, and VPNs would be under the same constrictions on using outside networking - so under your comments, you're cheating by using them ;)

Yeah I don't make the cut because I disagree with you? I must be a terrible person.

Sorry, you are altering out of game settings to remove obstacles to your play. That's cheating.

Dave- no, I wasn't around for that. I took about a year break in hopes the game would be fixed in some areas that I was annoyed with (trade map..ugh..). Yes I didn't know that part at all. However doing the opposite isn't removing obstacles from your play... So no I wouldn't call it a cheat.

Again, I'm not on either side. You like solo play, play solo. Best game easy game?
 
Oh the irony is strong in this one. You counter a simple (4 keystrokes total, 6 if you count the multipress separately) IP block by playing with VPN's now? This must have gotten under your skin in some fashion to elicit such a response.

Yep. It's a program called HMA (hide my ass) and I used it very frequently when traveling go be able to watch Netflix and log into steam. You can set the service to renew your IP adress, from any country in the world, on a timer of your choosing. So yea blocking that won't be fun.

It does get under my skin. You guys can call it whatever you like, but going outside the game to block someone who may be a hindrance to your progress is cheating. I'll admit I had no idea the way it worked, and honestly its making me think twice about playing again. Turning down the difficulty isn't something that appeals to me, and when I voice my opinion I'm told I'm a lower caliber? Pft. I may not be ranked high, but when I get there I'll have earned it. No combat logging, no IP blocking, and learning from my mistakes rather being in solo.

But thats me. Low caliber.
 
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Yep. It's a program called HMA (hide my ass) and I used it very frequently when traveling go be able to watch Netflix and log into steam. You can set the service to renew your IP adress, from any country in the world, on a timer of your choosing. So yea blocking that won't be fun.

It does get under my skin. You guys can call it whatever you like, but going outside the game to block someone who may be a hindrance to your progress is cheating. I'll admit I had no idea the way it worked, and honestly its making me think twice about playing again. Turning down the difficulty isn't something that appeals to me, and when I voice my opinion I'm told I'm a lower caliber? Pft. I may not be ranked high, but when I get there I'll have earned it. No combat logging, no IP blocking, and learning from my mistakes rather than cowering back to solo.

But thats me. Low caliber.


So you want to "hide yourself" by masking your IP and all so people can't do anything to you in real life.. but considered pretty much the same thing in game as "cheating" and then calling solo play "cowering" and that somehow you "earn" things more than others because of how you play..

Do you by chance know what hypocrisy is?
 
I, for one, don't want Solo/PG to be removed.
A compromise to my earlier suggestion would be
to just seperate the save games.

You want to play solo mode? No problem, but please
don't carry the easy money over to open.

Also I'd like to see reduced influence in BGS.

I like the idea of high risk, high reward.
But as it is now, it feels like; same reward for different risks.

"You can play poker on table A, where the you only play against
robot players who always do the same and follow the same pattern
or play on table B against other humans."

"What is the difference in win rates on them?"

"Difference? No no, you have the same payouts on both tables"

Edit: To conform with forum rules against "baiting"
 
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