Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

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I can only hope you are right, that one day the AI is mean and tough enough to drive everyone to open just because he needs support on his trade route. Or whatever he is doing.

Ha! Won't change my habits much, I'm just not fond of people; some times I'll play in Mobius, depending on a goal,..but I basically am Solo play.
 
Do you know what is really funny about Frontier balancing?

It takes longer to wake scan than it does to log out. So it is impossible to wake scan anybody.

broken at the core.
 
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I can only hope you are right, that one day the AI is mean and tough enough to drive everyone to open just because he needs support on his trade route. Or whatever he is doing.
That will never happen. There is a line in the sand with any game where it just becomes too hard to be enjoyable. Cross that line, and I won't be going to open with my hat out looking for help, but just uninstalling. Games are meant to be enjoyable, it is their very and sole reason for existence.
 
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However, it is an MMO. It just does not have easily recognized 'MMO-ness'.

I know, don't have to like it - but I accept the MMO tag

elite dangerous will dissapear back into obscurity when star citizen comes out if solo mode does not go, mmo or whatever its not going to work as a game or a business, these are really bad business choices, no online game will succeed with the solo mode bolstering the multiplaer mode like this, some things are the way they are for a reason

You really do not know that much about SC do you?

Like the personal private servers (people you cannot see or interact with, unless they let you), or the "slider" to reduce PvP encounters and the same "instance island" set up.

SC really is not going to be all that different.
 
I used to like the idea of solo , but it seems that 90% of the players go solo the second they are going to do something mildy dangerous , like it seems most PP players are solo...
 
Did you even read what you quoted?

I said a 2nd galaxy, it wont be moving anythign away from your precious solo/private/open swapping dilluted galaxy.

I cant see how ANYONE would be against a 2nd galaxy that is open only. the people who want open only get that an the people who want solo/private/open get that.

No one against a 2nd galaxy ? Hmmm ... pretty sure FD might be against it - something about double the cost of the back end system and the 'bottom line' springs to mind ;)
 
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Did you even read what you quoted?

I said a 2nd galaxy, it wont be moving anythign away from your precious solo/private/open swapping dilluted galaxy.

I cant see how ANYONE would be against a 2nd galaxy that is open only. the people who want open only get that an the people who want solo/private/open get that.

Oh, I see what you are saying...

Must be (very problematic) to implement; or they would have, with all the squabbling in these threads....This is just the way FD wants it.
 
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No one against a 2nd galaxy ? Hmmm ... pretty sure FD might - something about double the cost of the back end system and the 'bottom line' springs to mind ;)

Not to mention having to come up with two completely different narratives in the unfolding of the background story as the simulation progresses, and partitioning that into 1st and 2nd galaxies - without one becoming more canon than the other, or the poor writers getting horribly mixed up half-way through :(
 
Did you even read what you quoted?

I said a 2nd galaxy, it wont be moving anythign away from your precious solo/private/open swapping dilluted galaxy.

I cant see how ANYONE would be against a 2nd galaxy that is open only. the people who want open only get that an the people who want solo/private/open get that.


This is truly an impossibility.

That is why they dumped offline mode. They cannot support more than one copy of the galaxy. They have not designed the game to be run on more than one galaxy.

It would ultimately break the sandbox.
 
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Piracy is legitimate E: D gameplay, but it is not supposed to be cushy.
A pirate's life is short, difficult and very unlikely to amount to anything. FD seemed to have modelled that quite accurately.
 
Took me 5 seconds to find you attacking, you couldn't find me in a page long quote, but keep that mob mentality it'll do wonders for you.


So... saying someone is being whiny is attacking but saying people are stupid and can't comprehend things isn't. My favorite was claiming that people were physically unable to comprehend. Oh and the comment about being in Mobius means you can't play by the rules. Interesting thought process you have there. What is EVEN more interesting is you've claimed over and over recently that you do not want to change the game and that people are attacking you and apparently you view comments made towards Open Only advocates to be directed towards you. So you claim you don't want the game changed but you considered yourself an advocate only person.. which want the game changed.
 
Not to mention having to come up with two completely different narratives in the unfolding of the background story as the simulation progresses, and partitioning that into 1st and 2nd galaxies - without one becoming more canon than the other, or the poor writers getting horribly mixed up half-way through :(

I was adding this as an edit but yiu beat me too it :)
 
The mismanaged risk in this game is the poor AI the game released with. AI is the balancing mechanism between the modes. If the AI is strong enough that overwhelming number of the player base is similarly challenged then the min max of the private modes dies...and people play based on the their choice of interactions with people.

If the AI doesn't improve then Private remains EZ mode and the game continues on in an unbalanced manner. Since the AI is improving...balancing is occuring.

Your right Roybe...

But it wont change my play behavior; I basically play single player games.

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Not to mention having to come up with two completely different narratives in the unfolding of the background story as the simulation progresses, and partitioning that into 1st and 2nd galaxies - without one becoming more canon than the other, or the poor writers getting horribly mixed up half-way through :(

Yup, problematic...
 
Please consult the Open vs Solo thread for more information regarding the debate.

edit- Looks like i am consulting the thread myself now!
 
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INB4 merge!

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Welcome to the nightmare new thread players!

The game designers will never make a seperate mode for Open only....

your turn!
 
So... saying someone is being whiny is attacking but saying people are stupid and can't comprehend things isn't. My favorite was claiming that people were physically unable to comprehend. Oh and the comment about being in Mobius means you can't play by the rules. Interesting thought process you have there. What is EVEN more interesting is you've claimed over and over recently that you do not want to change the game and that people are attacking you and apparently you view comments made towards Open Only advocates to be directed towards you. So you claim you don't want the game changed but you considered yourself an advocate only person.. which want the game changed.

Glad I'm not the only one who seen through the whole masked insults.
Calls us thick cheaters and wonders why we are not receptive towards him.

Also trying to figure out why, after saying I was in open (still am) no one has come to say hi from the pro-open crowd. Where is my welcoming party? Fireworks, BBQ, Orion Slave Girls.... oh, wait, drop the last one - wrong game :p

Here I am, in my T6 - all alone. Only 1 person has spoken to me, where is this wonderful place the open crowd keep talking about? - I get more interaction in the Mobius Group to be frank.
 
Your right Roybe...

But it wont change my play behavior; I basically play single player games.


The changes I suggest aren't meant to. You can happily continue to play your Solo game...with the caveat that the AI is going to get stronger. A lot of the player base is playing in Private, to not only avoid ats, but to farm the game more efficiently. They are there because they are playing in CG's and PP and can farm NPC's in an uninterrupted manner...or trade without concern of interdiction or destruction because the AI is to easy to deal with. If the AI becomes stronger/better then the risk is equivalent and the choice to play is based on their true desires of interaction.
 
No one against a 2nd galaxy ? Hmmm ... pretty sure FD might be against it - something about double the cost of the back end system and the 'bottom line' springs to mind ;)

The background simulator can be run on a toaster.

I was adding this as an edit but yiu beat me too it
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If someone writing a couple paragraphs a day related to how the background simulation/pp is unfolding is a "Deal breaker" for you folks then I'm afraid you're simply grasping at straws.
 
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So... saying someone is being whiny is attacking but saying people are stupid and can't comprehend things isn't. My favorite was claiming that people were physically unable to comprehend. Oh and the comment about being in Mobius means you can't play by the rules. Interesting thought process you have there. What is EVEN more interesting is you've claimed over and over recently that you do not want to change the game and that people are attacking you and apparently you view comments made towards Open Only advocates to be directed towards you. So you claim you don't want the game changed but you considered yourself an advocate only person.. which want the game changed.

Decided to quote it all afterall, just for fun

Oh we do, the price we pay is we have whiny little only Open advocates who think that any mode but one where they can shoot everyone is stressless. Got enough stress in open / Group thank you.

Is indeed more offensive than saying people lack reading comprehension, I didn't say anyone was stupid you can infer that all you like.

For example If i say, "That cat is black", and you reply, "Derath said that cat is a white elephant with pink ribbons", you lack reading comprehension. You and others frequently put words in my mouth about things I wasn't even talking about, then shouted at me as a group repeatedly about the things i didn't say, you lack reading comprehension is my way of saying you didn't read what I actually wrote, or you read it and didn't understand (that's the comprehension part).

I did indeed say a group of posters earlier were physically incapable of understanding my argument, because they were, I never said they had to agree with me, agreement doesn't = understanding, eventually the forum mod who was posting gave a reply that showed he did indeed understand, but disagreed, so I dropped it.

Mobius is indeed the exact sort of thing that can easily be used as a representative argument for open only, it allows the curating of members based on a fixed principle, that principle has to have some method of control which is why mobius works, whereas say an Ironman group would not.

Finally I don't view comments made towards open only to be directed at me, I view comments quoting me as being directed at me, the rest it depends if i've got anything to add to the discussion or not.
 
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