Since you give me reasons to continue.
You, once again are choosing to ignore simple basic facts - and you have the nerve to be insulting to us.
1) Not everyone wants to play with others - and we were given the choice.
2) Not everyone has hardware that can cope with Open Mode and all the data to go with it - some people are locked in to solo by their own hardware.
and from a personal point;
3) The AI has better manners than most (not all) of the people I've ever met in online games since I started playing them in 1999. I'd sooner deal with AI every two minutes than one of YOU once a decade.
I am insulting you? With what? Calling you ignorant? Are you that sensitive? Here, have a tissue...
1) That's stubborn. You are excluding yourself with bigger opportunities then just playing against the AI. You have your reasons.
2) If your hardware doesn't meet the requirements. If a developer creates something your machine is unable to run, you can not play/ use it. This might be a good reason to not participate but it is not a good reason to insist on some other environment. Those people are just lucky that Solo seems to run well enough while Open won't...
3) The AI has no manners. You probably avoid a lot of people in your surroundings too.
Hope you don't mind my addressing your arguments by number. It's getting a little tedious.
(1) You began this tirade talking about fighting people. Not "sharing gameplay."
(2) You keep returning to this ersatz point, although the forum members have repeatedly responded to your accusations of, let's just have the raw word, "stupidity." This isn't an argument or even a point. This is a belligerent opinion.
(3) Actually, those "voices" that you invoke seem to be in the minority.
(4) Well, problem is, "your party's POV" has been flexing back and forth & backfilling. If you would have read the thread (which you really should do before jumping in) you would have seen others advance their arguments in a polite and reasoned manner, and you would have seen people in this thread respond to those rational arguments and even agree with some of them. But "your party" seems to be you alone.
(5) First you say "it feels different when there is people vs NPCs" and then go on to state (8) "the only difference in you experience would be that instead of encountering ships that appear with a filled icon on your radar, the icon would be hollow." So excuse us for not understanding your jumbled contextual arguments.
(6) And you refuse to accept the argument that people would spread out into the galaxy in open to give a good chance of not seeing your kind of player. Then, there's timezones and all of that.
(7) Now you argue that "without taking elements away, without benefiting one over the other" and then go on to the "somehow penalize or minimize the actions of solo or group players" position. Do you understand where the confusion comes from?
(8) Mentioned in (5), above.
(9) Not even a point, name-calling. Hot air.
(10) Another ersatz debating tactic. Have you picked this up from your mom or what?
(11) You have, in fact, spoken about taking things away from Solo/Group mode to "balance" the "unfairness" of your chosen mode of play.
(12) You keep speaking of "winning" and yet you seem to know nothing about Elite & its history. The only "winning" goal might be trying for triple Elite status. That's about it. You appear to have a binary view of the game, which is in conflict with all the previous Elite games. Can't help you with that.
~ I also am not going to be wasting time searching this forum for your more outlandish "arguments" which are repeated ad nauseum just so you can wiggle around your own words. The behavior and viewpoint of these oft-repeated screeds is making you out to be "an unreasonable" person and is not helping your case at all. It's also the kind of behavior that raises a red flag for most people & convinces many of us that we wouldn't want to meet you in any game mode.
Sorry that E : D isn't what you thought it was when you purchased it. Not sorry that you can't force your ideas and opinions on anyone you meet. Sorry if you thought this was EVE II. Sorry if you don't accept that this appears to be the wrong game for you. Sorry that you are giving the reasonable people who have politely (mostly) advanced their ideas and arguments for Open a tarnish, being the exact kind of person I do not wish to have any chance of encountering in my gameplay.
We aren't cheering; this is another one of your binary perceptions - win/lose. Your posts are all over the place; one day this, next day that. It's quite jumbled, and therein might lie the confusions you claim are "twisting words."
Perhaps if you could restrain your seething contempt, which makes its way through almost every one of your posts, people might even listen to your ideas. Unfortunately that contempt, anger & entitlement alienates what few allies you might have on this issue.
1) Where did i begin with my argumentation that my intentions are fighting people and not sharing gameplay? There are several posts that proof the opposite
2) All that was repeatedly responded was that i don't know how the mechanics work, that it is impossible that they might get changed for a better good, or that i simply have to accept things as they are and that there will be no change. That again is stubborn and not constructive on a topic like this.
3) Voices that stopped discussing with you because of reason i understand.
4) Next time in when i am in a debate that gets heated i'll take care of to not give you the impression that it is one. I'll close my counterpart in my arms and pretend that everything is going to be well again.
5) I've talked about the changes for you, the Soloists, not about the experience the multiplayer faction get's through those changes. Reading comprehension please.
6) Explain me what my kind of player is please. Is my kind more or less worthy, or even worth nothing, just because you might die in an incident that is clearly a gameplay mechanic?!
7) Where did i suggest to penalize or minimize actions of Solo/Group? Maybe penalizing abusive behavior harder, but never penalizing Solo/Group more or less. Again, word twisting or reading comprehension- you chose.
8) I've suggested a ruleset that fits both. That caters your (Solo) demands and the demands of the healthy thinking multiplayer.
9) Where did i put up names? Just because i might wrote this under the quote of someone else doesn't say that i am talking about him. There where several statements with the content "i/we do not want others in our game".
10) What do you want to point out with taking my mom into this? Have i been personal in any post?
11) Again, where did i suggest to take things away from Solo/Group. I made suggestions that would lead to the opposite. Again, ignorance, obstinacy, twisting words, reading comprehension or intended spreading false facts. You chose.
12) I talked about winning certain scenarios. Like expanding into another system, or successful undermine another. I don't need to play the Elite games before this Elite to understand how this Elite works. The same fits with other titles. Maybe if i want to understand the Lore with of it's content, but not necessary for this particular game and it's mechanic. If it fits here on this point- where is war and where you are hostile, you will encounter resistance and fights, not just election based on who can grind the most.
I don't wiggle around my own words. You just simply put another meaning into what i said. Since you refuse to contribute to a constructive debate about this topic and keep on nailing that we have to accept how it is and that i should take care about your feelings, maybe you should leave this conversation? What constructive things have you brought up yet? Honestly i didn't see any.
I am not forcing my ideas on anyone, because i can not change the coding of the game. Even if i could, i wouldn't. I made suggestions and tried to start a constructive discussion about changes that might be acceptable for both parties. But you simply keep on rejecting that there might be something for both parties.
Please show me where i brought my seething contempt to expression. No one of the pro Solo, or let's say contra Open faction ever listened. All you did was to tell we what i have to accept. And again you are spreading a misrepresentation of my behavior.
I never brought up anger or insisted on something. I expressed how i and many others experience the situation in the Open play and brought up the fact that with just one mode available this experience would be different.
