I am sorry that i disappoint you with not having expressed myself there yet. I'll make sure to please your demand as soon as possible.
Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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2 Things.
1) Every game you listed was a themepark game, not a sandbox (albeit EVE - but your point actually doesn't mean anything)
2) WoW's pvp playerbase even in themepark, is almost over 45-55%+ due to arenas, rbgs and battlegrounds. PVE is not a pure king there.
Personally the only reason i advocate pvp in power play is because this game has literally 0 challenge anywhere else.
Why do you think there is no challenge in the game? What do you consider to be a challenge? What would you like to see introduced that would challenge you personally?
.... like the type of game (themepark vs sandbox) makes a freakin' difference. give me a break.
People don't like getting jumped, period. Doesn't matter if your playing Themepark, Sandbox, or Dungeon Crawl. The type of game isn't even relevant. XD
As for challenge - that's subjective. One man's easy mode is another mans frustration.
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A soloution to a problem that only exists for some people. For other people there is no problem, even a benefit. Which is the core of this whole thread.
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Actually, that does sound like an insult, and a direct one, which can get you a warning around here. If someone chose to report your post or the mods noticed it that is.
Keep in mind, this isn't the Steam or other forums. Rules here regarding insults are quite strong.
I already told you that I wouldn't do your homework for you. I don't feel like searching your posts, and I don't have to. Think of that what you will. In your first or second post, you heatedly said (from memory; search the posts yourself) "if someone is trying to undermine me I want to meet them and destroy them, not have to undermine them" Something like that. Search your own posts if you want backup.
"More or less worthy?" "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" is basically how you come across. It's an image problem. If you want to be taken seriously, you'll have to work on that.
By the way, just FYI, I do copy editing and translation for my grownup money, so yeah, I think I know a bit about "reading comprehension."
It may be the time for me to use the "ignore" button; something I haven't done on a forum in years. Congrats on your new status.
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To be fair, WoW has about as many PvP servers as it has PvE ones. It doesn't have as much open world PvP as this seems to indicate, mind, but to coax that out of the numbers requires delving a bit into how open PvP works in the game.
WoW uses factional PvP; with very rare exceptions players are prevented from ever attacking others from their own faction. And this is why open PvP in WoW is dead in a large number of nominally PvP servers; since launch most of the servers developed a large faction imbalance, to the point in most servers one faction isn't viable at all for organized world PvP. To give an example, among the ten largest US PvP servers, four have a 10:1 faction imbalance or worse, which means open PvP is basically inexistent there; of the remaining six, five have a 2:1 imbalance or worse, meaning PvP there is somewhat possible but very biased; only one of those ten largest PvP servers — the only Roleplay server, perhaps not coincidentally — has the factions reasonably balanced.
My pet theory for why this imbalance happens is that PvP players, for the most part, don't want fair fights, they just want to win; thus, when given a way to guarantee a victory by simply joining the faction that is already winning, they do so.
(Which is kinda what I fear will happen with Power Play given a few months: one or two powers attracting most players to the point of being unstoppable, the rest entering a death spiral of players leaving because of never being able to compete with those larger powers. Let's hope I'm wrong.)
In other words, consensual PvP, just like ED's upcoming CQC mode. I don't think many, if any, of the Solo players have any issue with that kind of PvP existing; in fact, I'm looking forward to it
To be fair, WoW has about as many PvP servers as it has PvE ones. It doesn't have as much open world PvP as this seems to indicate, mind, but to coax that out of the numbers requires delving a bit into how open PvP works in the game.
WoW uses factional PvP; with very rare exceptions players are prevented from ever attacking others from their own faction. And this is why open PvP in WoW is dead in a large number of nominally PvP servers; since launch most of the servers developed a large faction imbalance, to the point in most servers one faction isn't viable at all for organized world PvP. To give an example, among the ten largest US PvP servers, four have a 10:1 faction imbalance or worse, which means open PvP is basically inexistent there; of the remaining six, five have a 2:1 imbalance or worse, meaning PvP there is somewhat possible but very biased; only one of those ten largest PvP servers — the only Roleplay server, perhaps not coincidentally — has the factions reasonably balanced.
My pet theory for why this imbalance happens is that PvP players, for the most part, don't want fair fights, they just want to win; thus, when given a way to guarantee a victory by simply joining the faction that is already winning, they do so.
(Which is kinda what I fear will happen with Power Play given a few months: one or two powers attracting most players to the point of being unstoppable, the rest entering a death spiral of players leaving because of never being able to compete with those larger powers. Let's hope I'm wrong.)
In other words, consensual PvP, just like ED's upcoming CQC mode. I don't think many, if any, of the Solo players have any issue with that kind of PvP existing; in fact, I'm looking forward to it
You make a comment about PVP players for the most part don't want fair fights but want to win. Would explain the "pirate" excuse for the reason for attacking unarmed ships or swarming in wings.
This is where you wind up when you ignore the way the game is designed.
My objective was not to fight with you...it's about trying to help you understand that the game is designed in such a manner that what you want is impossible....it will break the game. Not because people want to 'hide away'...or because of 'ignorance' of game play mechanics in other games, or feeling FDev is god and made the perfect game. Unfortunately, people failing to fully grasp the game and its design, is the real problem.
Like I said...you can call this design 'bad' and not play because of it. The game might even fail because of this issue. It is FDevs game to have fail...because this is the conscious choice they made on how the game works. They are going to have to ride their decision to glory or down the toilet. Either way...it is their choice...we have no input on this particular matter.
This is also not about which mode is better than which mode. All modes are necessary...and HAVE to influence each other for this game to work. Honestly, what mode you play does not matter one bit...what you do, how often you do it, and where you do what you do is all that matters. PvP pew pew is a roleplay only activity. PvP between PvE groups collecting PvE trophies is all this game offers...because that is its design...not a mistake or oversight.
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To be fair, WoW has about as many PvP servers as it has PvE ones. It doesn't have as much open world PvP as this seems to indicate, mind, but to coax that out of the numbers requires delving a bit into how open PvP works in the game.
WoW uses factional PvP; with very rare exceptions players are prevented from ever attacking others from their own faction. And this is why open PvP in WoW is dead in a large number of nominally PvP servers; since launch most of the servers developed a large faction imbalance, to the point in most servers one faction isn't viable at all for organized world PvP. To give an example, among the ten largest US PvP servers, four have a 10:1 faction imbalance or worse, which means open PvP is basically inexistent there; of the remaining six, five have a 2:1 imbalance or worse, meaning PvP there is somewhat possible but very biased; only one of those ten largest PvP servers — the only Roleplay server, perhaps not coincidentally — has the factions reasonably balanced.
My pet theory for why this imbalance happens is that PvP players, for the most part, don't want fair fights, they just want to win; thus, when given a way to guarantee a victory by simply joining the faction that is already winning, they do so.
(Which is kinda what I fear will happen with Power Play given a few months: one or two powers attracting most players to the point of being unstoppable, the rest entering a death spiral of players leaving because of never being able to compete with those larger powers. Let's hope I'm wrong.)
In other words, consensual PvP, just like ED's upcoming CQC mode. I don't think many, if any, of the Solo players have any issue with that kind of PvP existing; in fact, I'm looking forward to it
Hey Mate, you're correct in stating the WOW PVE & PVP Servers, are just about equal. Actually the last time I checked there were a few more PVP servers than PVE servers. However, "the fact is" if you calculate the player base in each of the WOW servers, about 2/3rds of the players play on the PVE servers vs 1/3 play on the PVP servers. This is near the total balance of virtually all MMO type games, with this particular game favoring the PVP player base just a tad bit more than the typical 70/30 split, 70% PVE, vs 30% PVP.
I'm confident with the way Elite is structured, giving good features to ensure the PVE player experience is enjoyable, that the break down here favors the PVE player base much higher, probably more in the neighborhood of an 80/20 split or more in favor of the PVE player base. This is one thing that will ensure Elites continued success regardless of what opinions some may have.
Hope all are doing well.
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Absolutely. Given enough supplies I can happily go a week without encountering another person in real life. Probably longer, but it gets less practical. I am looking forward to taking a week off at the end of July during which I plan to avoid as many people as possible. Heaven.
I bought this game specifically on the understanding that I can avoid people in the game too.
I understand that you want to play with other people, do you understand that I don't?
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Reminds me of a guy who said, "You're an introvert because you don't get out much. " I just shook my head and walked away.
Some of these PvP guy strike me as a chest-thumping "Look at me I'm bassass" types (not all, I said some. I don't paint with broad strokes)
They talk about challenge and how when they beat on helpless opponents "that's the way it is"
But the moment a solo player like me has a way to circumvent them, they talk about "how unfair it is".
Look, YOU chose the "tougher mode". Now man up and prove you're badass by succeeding despite the challenge and leave the rest of us filthy casuals alone to derp around in solo/private play. We won't challenge your right to call yourself badass, trust me. We might even cheer you on.
They talk about challenge and how when they beat on helpless opponents "that's the way it is"
But the moment a solo player like me has a way to circumvent them, they talk about "how unfair it is".
Look, YOU chose the "tougher mode". Now man up and prove you're badass by succeeding despite the challenge and leave the rest of us filthy casuals alone to derp around in solo/private play. We won't challenge your right to call yourself badass, trust me. We might even cheer you on.
Even better, when I hired into a company 40 yrs ago I told a 50 something guy he was a homosapien. He jumped out of his chair and yelled at me "NO I'm NOT"
Mine too as it happens, but one must make concessions for a birthday.
That's because the design of this forum is broken!
It should allow Rep from all the peoples all of the time!
I run out of reps many times too!
What this forum needs is consensual RvR (Rep vs Rep)!
Darn you, FD!!!
*slips you a Milk Bone*
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