Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[Jockey79]

Such is life on the internet I suppose
Kind of depressing when you think that it was originally built to promote intellectual debate and sharing research.

A bit like when a game is designed to promote freedom of choice for each individual player - yet some people just have to try and ruin it

and pictures of cats.

 

[Cody]

We realise it works that way but we don't agree that it should work that way.

There are several things that shouldn't be as they are, in my opinion... but the game is the game!

 

[Jockey79]

Now just hold on one minute before you begin stoning the guy. I read this as him talking about the skills it takes to play in open for open players, there is nothing in this comment that suggests he is saying you need to be more skilful to play in 'open' than in 'private' or 'solo'.
There is a certain skill set and level of experience you can acquire to thrive in 'open', and he is talking about how to help "others" acquire it - this is about improving the 'open' world, and again, there is nothing to suggest that those "others" are the players that use private or solo mode.
If anything, he emphases all players rights to play how they want to. Yes, he does say that the reason for multiple modes is because some players may not have the skills to play in open, but he does not claim that these skills are more than the skills required for solo, just that they are specific to open.
On a different note, regarding calling out Majinvash, I highly recommend it! Subjectively (because a text always veers between a grammatical and rhetorical reading), calling out Majinvash and his wingmen has been the most fun I've had in the game so far. He genuinely cares about the future of the 'open' mode for players of all levels and experiences, and I think it's a shame there is not a thread like this for players to put their heads together and discuss how to make the 'open' world more playable, without putting the question in opposition to the 'private' worlds.

You missed the bit at the bottom of the post that reads "edited".
The original implied those not playing open didn't have the skills to play the game in general - which was insulting.

It has since been changed to what you quoted to try and be a bit more clear.

 

[Roybe]

We realise it works that way but we don't agree that it should work that way. We eventually just sink into a state of apathy.

Apathy is the wrong place to go with the acceptance of the way the game is designed. Turn those quick and nimble PvP minds TOWARDS ways to play the game YOUR way...within the design of the game! Then use pew pew to Role Play your intentions....while you collect your trophies.

Or you could just sink into apathy and leave the game...and wait for something that has PvP pew pew at its heart.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

They do tend to go quiet whenever they FINALLY figure out that the game is a PvE collection race to win PvP contests.

<Retches> Ok i'm good now.

 

[Roybe]

<Retches> Ok i'm good now.

...it is an acquired taste....much like greens and ham hocks....but once acquired, it is quite good!

 

[Jockey79]

We realise it works that way but we don't agree that it should work that way. We eventually just sink into a state of apathy.

I don't think some posh muppet who has never done a real days work in his life and has no actual experience of what the United Kingdom is, should be in charge of it all.
But that's just tough luck on me isn't it. Just like anyone else who dislikes Cameron, we cannot turn back time and prevent his birth so we have to accept he is here and we are stuck with him.

Frontier Developments have made it quite clear from the very start, this is how the game will work. You can check that on page one, post three of this thread.
There is no excuse at all, to complain about something that was a known feature long before development was fully funded and started.
You cannot turn back time and change the Kickstarter campaign, FD said they are not changing the modes, so you just have to accept it is here and you're stuck with it.

 

[Mohrgan]

I have clarified the statement to "playing open mode the way it was intended" I was not intending to invoke an emotional response; sorry if you interpreted it this way.


I would suggest they try it and make their own choice.
Again I have edited the point to be more clear.



It's obvious that this is quite an emotionally charged debate, I wasn't expecting to have to defend every word; sorry for any confusion caused.

I can't see where you clarified anything. Open is just open. It has no value over Group, or Solo. Do you stand by your statement that players use solo because they lack skill? That is what you should clarify. That open is how the game was intended is just wrong, but that skills nonsense is where I insist you insulted a sizable portion of our fellow players.

 

[Cody]

Like quorn...

<shudders> No, no I don't like quorn!

 

[Roybe]

Like quorn - you can eat it but it will never be as good as real meat.

The complaints in this thread are similar. People might not like Quorn....but demanding the manufacturers put meat in it is never going to happen. There's why this thread has nearly 20k posts.

 

[Jockey79]

The complaints in this thread are similar. You might not like Quorn....but demanding the manufacturers put meat in it for you is never going to happen. There's why this thread has nearly 20k posts.

So want to rep you again !!!

 

[Roybe]

So want to rep you again !!!

.......o7

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Hmmm...FDev new marketing idea:

Elite: Dangerous

Made with vegetarians in mind.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Vegetarians? Pah! They are all playing in easymode by avoiding risky meat-borne pathogens. It's not a proper diet by my standards, so I demand that they should all be made to consume endangered species. I bet they are all guildies too! The Guild Of Vegetarians! Inconsiderate behaviour!

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Vegetarians? Pah! They are all playing in easymode by avoiding risky meat-borne pathogens. It's not a proper diet by my standards, so I demand that they should all be made to consume endangered species. I bet they are all guildies too! The Guild Of Vegetarians! Inconsiderate behaviour!

as a die hard carnivore who could never give up meat - mostly due to the godly creature that is the pig, the provider of the pork sausage and the bacon buttie I have to say

I challenge you to try a southern fried chicken style quorn burger.

once in a bun with mayo, lettuce, onion and tomato, I challenge you to be able to tell it is not the real deal.

great tasting burger with only a fraction of the saturated fat!

(not sure what that has to do with anything tho, maybe choosing to eat meat most of the time, but demanding the right to be able to sometimes eat vegetarian is the simile here? )

ever have a slug burger?

no, and unless I am stuck starving to death I am confident i never will

 

[Mouse]

You are so focused on PEW PEW that you miss a lot.

Nothing either Kerrash mentioned had anything to do with pew pew except for not making yourself a victim of it.
Yes you might lose a few times but that doesn't make you a victim, that just means you got beaten by someone better or luckier than you in that instance.
Welcome to life in space!

It IS harder in Open, that is why their is SOLO or Group. ( Its harder because of all the human players who can and will kill you )
If you stay in Open and learn from it you WILL be a better player than someone who is only better than Bots.

You can make this as insulting as you want but to get better, you need to challenge yourself. More importantly, learn from the positives and the negatives.

The sooner people stop being so precious that someone pew pew'd them and learn how to counter or evade, the better this game will be from it. Even they don't want to be shot at, if they learn to avoid or escape it. They might find they actually have a bit of fun outsmarting another player.

Some people will always be terrible at gaming, so crippling a mode to make it playable for the worse player is not a positive move forwards for any game or community.

These people complain that NPC's are too hard... So should they create another mode?

Open
Group
Solo
Solo Special NPC's

Majinvash

Can you ever post without being egotistical? Do you even read why people play the game? You have this certain view about the game and apparently cannot waiver from it.

1. It is not about "making yourself better" it is about playing a game. How is someone in a starter sidewinder getting blown to heck by some jerk in a anaconda getting beaten by someone better or luckier than them. All that is going to do is push them out of open and into other modes. Jerks are NOT a "RISK" but an anoyment. They don't make open harder just un-enjoyable.

2. THis is NOT EVE in a cockpit no matter how much people like you want it. Why should people play a game When they are constantly having to worry about jerks. There have been plenty of people who have said NO. Jerks don't make the game better they make it worse, yet you can't see that.. you view everything from a PVP lens that suits you and ignoring other views.

3. No one is calling for open to be crippled so not even sure where your comment comes from.. and the jerks are not a positive move forward for the game or the community.

4. The "Special NPC's" of special solo could be AI's as impossible as SJ can make them so that the jerks who keep running people off have something to play with that suits their egos.

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as a die hard carnivore who could never give up meat - mostly due to the godly creature that is the pig, the provider of the pork sausage and the bacon buttie I have to say

I challenge you to try a southern fried chicken style quorn burger.

once in a bun with mayo, lettuce, onion and tomato, I challenge you to be able to tell it is not the real deal.

great tasting burger with only a fraction of the saturated fat! (not sure what that has to do with anything tho )

ever have a slug burger?

 

[Majinvash]

Can you ever post without being egotistical? Do you even read why people play the game? You have this certain view about the game and apparently cannot waiver from it.

1. It is not about "making yourself better" it is about playing a game. How is someone in a starter sidewinder getting blown to heck by some jerk in a anaconda getting beaten by someone better or luckier than them. All that is going to do is push them out of open and into other modes. Jerks are NOT a "RISK" but an anoyment. They don't make open harder just un-enjoyable.

2. THis is NOT EVE in a cockpit no matter how much people like you want it. Why should people play a game When they are constantly having to worry about jerks. There have been plenty of people who have said NO. Jerks don't make the game better they make it worse, yet you can't see that.. you view everything from a PVP lens that suits you and ignoring other views.

3. No one is calling for open to be crippled so not even sure where your comment comes from.. and the jerks are not a positive move forward for the game or the community.

4. The "Special NPC's" of special solo could be AI's as impossible as SJ can make them so that the jerks who keep running people off have something to play with that suits their egos.

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ever have a slug burger?

As always mouse, you are also blinded by your PVP hatred and missed the entire essence of that post.

Maybe go back and find the context in which it was written.

So if you can call PVP players Jerks, what can I refer to non PVP players in that wont have you running to report my posts?

So you don't play games to get better??

Really? So you are still in your Sidewinder with class E modules? Surely you must be?

So you are not a better player even if your little gated community than you were the day you started? Still in Eravate?

No, you Will and Have improved!

IF you had played against harder targets, you would have improved faster and be a better player even if you DIDN'T want to get better.
( Which is a little weird, if you don't want to improve yourself )

I 100% bet that you couldn't kill me If you were in an A Rated Conda and I was in a standard Sidewinder.
Why because I would have seen you coming a mile off, because I learnt in Open what to look for.

Because words seem to escape you, I will elaborate slightly

Some times you will lose!
Losing is good!
You learn from it.

Next time you will do something different to stop the same thing happening again.

That is improving.

You should try it, Upgrade that Sidewinder and see what else you can get better at.

Maybe reading posts before the one you reference so that it isn't taken out of context. There is a great skill.

Majinvash

 

[Mouse]

As always mouse, you are also blinded by your PVP hatred and missed the entire essence of that post.

Maybe go back and find the context in which it was written.

So if you can call PVP players Jerks, what can I refer to non PVP players in that wont have you running to report my posts?

So you don't play games to get better??

Really? So you are still in your Sidewinder with class E modules? Surely you must be?

So you are not a better player even if your little gated community than you were the day you started? Still in Eravate?

No, you Will and Have improved!

IF you had played against harder targets, you would have improved faster and be a better player even if you DIDN'T want to get better.
( Which is a little weird, if you don't want to improve yourself )

I 100% bet that you couldn't kill me If you were in an A Rated Conda and I was in a standard Sidewinder.
Why because I would have seen you coming a mile off, because I learnt in Open what to look for.

Because words seem to escape you, I will elaborate slightly

Some times you will lose!
Losing is good!
You learn from it.

Next time you will do something different to stop the same thing happening again.

That is improving.

You should try it, Upgrade that Sidewinder and see what else you can get better at.

Maybe reading posts before the one you reference so that it isn't taken out of context. There is a great skill.

Majinvash

As Jockey said before You <-------------------------------------------------------------> The point. You talk about reading posts but you fail at it. If you think I hate pvp then you have not read any of my posts. I have nothing against PVP..consentual pvp. The "jerks" are not pvpers the jerks as i have stated on your posts before, are those who love to grief and just make others misierable if they can. They are the reason Open has a problem but people like you refuse to even admit there is a problem.. you prefer to insult and view those who don't play your way as inferiror and someone to be condesending to and ironically open's problem.

Oh and I will never have an anaconda.. I don't want one.. and again You <---------------------------------------------> Point. You are so into your skills you utterly failed to even see that I was refering to people just starting the game and going into open (as some have done) instead you go off on preachy about your skills and how I should upgrade the sidewinder.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

So you don't play games to get better??

For some people (like you) pushing oneself to the max - learning all the little nuances of the game, becoming the best that you can be in a game is your primary focus (based on what you wrote) and there is nothing wrong with that goal in the slightest. I don't play games specifically to get better at playing games (as that to me is not important) - I play games for enjoyment (which is why atm I am not playing ED) Getting better at them is usually a byproduct of playing said game.

I have clarified the statement to "playing open mode the way it was intended" I was not intending to invoke an emotional response; sorry if you interpreted it this way.

Your clarification however is still not true. Go back to the KS campaign - the "source" as it were:

Elite: Dangerous is the game I have wanted Frontier to make for a very long time. The next game in the Elite series - an amazing space epic with stunning visuals, incredible gameplay and breath-taking scope, but this time you can play with your friends too.

The intention of ED was to create a multiplayer game that you can enjoy with your friends .. how:

Multiplayer: you will be able to control who else you might encounter in your game – perhaps limit it to just your friends? Cooperate on adventures or chase your friends down to get that booty. The game will work in a seamless, lobby-less way, with the ability to rendezvous with friends as you choose. This technology is already working, using a combination of peer-to-peer (to reduce lag) and server connections.

Ergo: MP (which was the intention) not specifically open mode due to the emphasised part above.

 

[why fi at all]

so much talk of lowering the rewards for not playing open, or increasing the rewards for playing in open.

how about this, if i have never won a battle in any PVP encounter, then when i am attacked by another player my ship agility is increased by ten, my shields and armour are increased by ten, and my shields recovery rate is increased by ten.
this would have no effect on NPC combat.

this would go allot further to address why i am personally not running open, and maybe for other people as well.
you can say this is ridiculous, but it makes as much sense as decreasing rewards for playing in any mode other than open.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

...it is an acquired taste....much like greens and ham hocks....but once acquired, it is quite good!

I have no problem with taste in most cases, it's just in this case, the food isn't any good. It's also taunting how they include a sample of the better meal that could have been.