Unless it's horse
FINALLY we have a use for all these dead equines littering up the place!
Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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FINALLY we have a use for all these dead equines littering up the place!
You are right we do not care, but he also missed completly I said a starter Sidewinder aka new player..
Ah, so he removed the part where he said JEHOVAH - In that case...no, not me...stop it!
You forgot "if I am not jamming SCBs and shield boosters into my craft and then running when my shields fall, I am not playing PvP the right way."
I particularly enjoy when the PvP crowd talk about running away from an encounter after their shields fall. It is "the smart way." It is also then a battle, not between CMDRs, but between ship loadouts. Where is the skill in that?
Pokes my head carefully above the parapet to ask whether running away from combat, while potentially eminently sensible, might not necessarily be considered to be honorable.
Ducks.
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I don't need that skill, i have netflix
And I don't need ersatz "risk" in a computer game because I've been free-solo climbing for 15 years in the real world. That gives me all the risk I need.
This is the best post yet to turn around on you and tell you that I don't need the skills of PvP; I have the modes.
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And if i thought pvp should be a required skill of the game, I'd be soooo burned right now.
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I might be completely wrong about this, but to be fair to Mr Cobalt he doesn't seem to argue that PvP is needed for its own sake. His principle problem seems to be with the lack of pirating opportunities, coupled with very very poor support for piracy with regard to NPCs.
I agree with him on that point very much. Personally, I'd like to try my hand at pirating at some point, but since I'm solo only, it seems to not be a very attractive career choice for my next save game.
No Robert. There is NO support for PvP. Theonly thing supported is Role Playing killing people. There is no in game reason to kill anyone past that.
If you think there is some reason, past Role Play, for killing another PC...rather than an NPC....please...explain to us...
Robert Maynard
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I said "possible" not "supported".
Why does there need to be a distinction between targeting NPCs and players?
Any kind of "bonus" for attacking players is an incentive to PvP - why would PvP need an incentive?
That's pretty accurate. I don't have a problem with mode switching, in theory. However, in practice, as it currently is, it's not great. There's absolutely no reason for non-combat professions to play in open. Imo open needs to be more rewarding for non combat roles, in some way. Whether it's financially, or with better non-shooting interaction.
If this was a PvP Pew pew supported game...it would reward PvP on an equivalent footing to PvE. It doesn't, therefore, the game is not a PvP game. The only thing that is rewarded is PvE collection of trophies.
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Robert Maynard
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Which rewards from NPCs are you referring to that are not given for players?
Powerplay merits? Probably not given so as not to incenitvise PvP.
Pvp does not necessarily mean killing people. It is about direct player to player competition.
Yes it is supported. All open is PvP enabled - this didn't need to be the case.
Why would Frontier say things like the following if the game did not support pvp?
"We're giving players a reason to engage in PVP against supporters of other factions"
Except for PP undermining, PvP is rewarded the same as it's PvE equivalent. Idk about CZ fighting, Does anyone know if combat zone kills against players are rewarded? I think they are but i'm not positive.
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No, I don't play games to get better. I play them to have fun.
I enjoy travelling between the star systems, making money, exploring the galaxy and working out how the game functions.
I am bored by combat, and especially bored by PvP. I'm in my fifties with slow reactions thanks to a brain cyst. I'm unlikely to make any real improvement in combat techniques, which is one reason why I find fighting boring. I enjoy travelling between the star systems, making money, exploring the galaxy and working out how the game functions. I can develop my knowledge of Elite and improve in those areas which is probably why I enjoy those parts of the game.
What works for you will not work for everyone else. You're welcome to the fast paced world of combat, but don't expect others to enjoy it.
Frontier have done a good job of embracing the very real diversity that's out there. The separate game modes should continue.
Cheers, Phos.
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Sorry had to edit...forgot to add the pew pew to the statement.
Look...my point is that PvP is designed to be PvE interactions. If anyone believes that this games PvP pew pew design was to be as rewarding, as the PvE acitivities....then enjoy living within the fantasy you have created for yourself....and the fantasy you play in. You will be here forever.
I am sticking around, in spite of this...and have stopped arguing for differences to be made between the modes...since PvP pew pew has never been supported past a 'fun thing to do...but if you want seriously play the game...you better get hustling those merits...or those NPC ships...or those combat bonds...'.
I am sticking around, in spite of this...and have stopped arguing for differences to be made between the modes...since PvP pew pew has never been supported past a 'fun thing to do...but if you want seriously play the game...you better get hustling those merits...or those NPC ships...or those combat bonds...'.
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