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A new game mode wouldn't hurt anyone. No one is forced to join that game mode. Everyone could still switch between normal open/solo/group.

Yeah Im hoping they are still planning to implement Ironman mode at some point which will be just that, but they have said its not on their current to-do list, so sadly its not happening anytime soon.
 
this might sound like a dumb question at this late stage ...

but, 'why' do we need to move people out of 'solo/group' and into 'open' ?

seriously, why ? the solo/group people seem entirely happy where they are ..
 
Yeah Im hoping they are still planning to implement Ironman mode at some point which will be just that, but they have said its not on their current to-do list, so sadly its not happening anytime soon.

Does the ironman mode involve permadeath? Because I wouldn't like that.
 
this might sound like a dumb question at this late stage ...

but, 'why' do we need to move people out of 'solo/group' and into 'open' ?

seriously, why ? the solo/group people seem entirely happy where they are ..

It's to keep the PvP crowd sated on their glorious pew-pew. If you play in a Group or in Solo - you are depriving them of their almighty-given right to blow you up for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Needless to say - that is against their rules.

What they can't seem to get their head around, is that nearly 3000 people are in one online group that has decided that shooting each other is against their rules, but their members are free to switch between that group, and completely open play, at any given time according to their wishes. I have no idea how many are in other similar groups, but I don't think it's an inconsequential number.

Of course - the polar opposite can happen, there are groups set up with players who only want to fight. The problem seems to be that these groups only want to fight other groups, and in order for that to happen - their members have to meet in Open play. Due to the way instancing works, it doesn't appear to be able to match them up reliably - so they get bored and resort to seal-clubbing new players.

They mostly don't seem willing to all become friends and make a mega-group for themselves so that they can meet up more easily and blow each other up. This seems to be because they have no way of displaying their superiority in that group, or they refuse to group with "enemies", or it's because they can't recognize (or remember) who is on which side without a clan-tag. Some of these people only remember their names because some raid-leader shouts it at them all day.

The PvP pew-pew-crew are anti-choice in this regard. That is a very sad state of affairs.
 
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I couldn't agree more. I've been trading in open since launch and enjoying myself immensely.

Of course, part of that might be that I haven't been to Lave and the surrounding areas since the 16th of December, but I've yet to encounter the kinds of horrors I read about in these forums.
 
If one group is discriminated, it is just reasonable to help it, I think. More love to the competetive hardcore gamers, dear devs, please!

You're right, so I claim the "Race to Elite" be called off.

The rules for it discriminate against players who play in solo mode and private groups. Why should Open Mode players get a chance at real life money and I'm excluded.
It is a clear cut case of added content for one mode, that is not and never was advertised before the sale of the game - it needs to be removed and any money paid out has to be reclaimed.


"competetive hardcore gamers" by the way, have a private group or arrange things in open play out of the way of those who do don't want to be involved - they are a likeable happy bunch.
As for those supporting forced open or open only things, they are not "gamers" ~ by the rule set for this thread, I cannot inform you of what they are, but it is not gamer by a long shot.
 
this might sound like a dumb question at this late stage ...

but, 'why' do we need to move people out of 'solo/group' and into 'open' ?

seriously, why ? the solo/group people seem entirely happy where they are ..

Yeah, there really is no reason. I just want my open experience kept "clean". This whole "I bring my solo progress to open" is too meta to me. I just don't like that and never will. FD disqualified the solo and group players from the race to elite competition, because there is a difference between the modes.
 
A new game mode wouldn't hurt anyone. No one is forced to join that game mode. Everyone could still switch between normal open/solo/group.

What new game mode? You mean a locked Open mode where players couldn't ever switch their character out of that mode?

Aside from the fact that it flies in the face of all Frontier's marketing about player choice, it's an idea that has been suggested since last Summer (and probably earlier) and nothing has ever come of it. It's not what the developers want for this game, or it would already work that way.
 
Yeah, there really is no reason. I just want my open experience kept "clean". This whole "I bring my solo progress to open" is too meta to me. I just don't like that and never will. FD disqualified the solo and group players from the race to elite competition, because there is a difference between the modes.

ok cool, then my suggestion works for you ... If you couldnt drag all your cash, ships and rep from one 'mode' (yes yes matchmaking or whatever) to another 'mode' then your resentment would be quelled , yes?

You cant bring your progress in single player mode in something like COD into the MP world .. in fact most adversarial online game require a fresh start that ignores their single player progress .. its not that alien an idea. (Yes, this will not encourage people into 'open', its only an idea to quell resentment)
 
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I couldn't agree more. I've been trading in open since launch and enjoying myself immensely.

Of course, part of that might be that I haven't been to Lave and the surrounding areas since the 16th of December, but I've yet to encounter the kinds of horrors I read about in these forums.

Same here, always trade in open now, chatting to other traders enroute is part of the fun. Am yet to meet anyone that has tried to cause me trouble. When flying a Clipper you get a lot of lot CMDR's complimenting the ship.
 
You're right, so I claim the "Race to Elite" be called off.

The rules for it discriminate against players who play in solo mode and private groups. Why should Open Mode players get a chance at real life money and I'm excluded.

Because you are doing it the easier way. A competition relies on fairness. Maybe it would have been best to offer 3 competitions for each mode.

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ok cool, then my suggestion works for you ... If you couldnt drag all your cash, ships and rep from one 'mode' (yes yes matchmaking or whatever) to another 'mode' then your resentment would be quelled , yes?

Yeah, I think that sounds great!
 
It's to keep the PvP crowd sated on their glorious pew-pew. If you play in a Group or in Solo - you are depriving them of their almighty-given right to blow you up for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Needless to say - that is against their rules.

What they can't seem to get their head around, is that nearly 3000 people are in one online group that has decided that shooting each other is against their rules, but their members are free to switch between that group, and completely open play, at any given time according to their wishes.

The PvP pew-pew-crew are anti-choice. That is a very sad state of affairs.

It's not even the real PvP crowd asking for it, they just want a fair open fight with others who want a fair open fight.
Those moaning about solo / private are the ones who want helpless traders and new players forced in to their gun sights, as they get their jollies by exerting their pitiful ego over others.
Real PvPers do not want that (not the ones I know in other games anyway)
 
What new game mode? You mean a locked Open mode where players couldn't ever switch their character out of that mode?

Exactly.

Aside from the fact that it flies in the face of all Frontier's marketing about player choice, it's an idea that has been suggested since last Summer (and probably earlier) and nothing has ever come of it. It's not what the developers want for this game, or it would already work that way.

This is pure speculation. But it doesn't seem to be high priority for them, obviously.
 
It's not even the real PvP crowd asking for it, they just want a fair open fight with others who want a fair open fight.
Those moaning about solo / private are the ones who want helpless traders and new players forced in to their gun sights, as they get their jollies by exerting their pitiful ego over others.
Real PvPers do not want that (not the ones I know in other games anyway)

Apt, succinct and spot on. +1 for you Sir
 
Because you are doing it the easier way. A competition relies on fairness. Maybe it would have been best to offer 3 competitions for each mode.

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Yeah, I think that sounds great!

Easier way?

FD set the stage, they can ramp up or calm down NPCs at any point - so my point stands, the race to elite discriminates against solo / private players and should be called off until such time it can be done fairly for all players.

As for your second point - so anyone wanting to try open, putting you on block (so you never see them anyway) is ok then? or doing some router settings so no one but the game server sees them - How did you benefit again?
 
Yeah, there really is no reason. I just want my open experience kept "clean". This whole "I bring my solo progress to open" is too meta to me. I just don't like that and never will.

You don't like it, we get it, we don't even require that you like it. The fact of the matter is this is the way this game works, its the way the developers want it, and you're just going to have to decide whether it bothers you enough that you're going to stop playing, or you're going to have to get over it. The players getting to choose who they play with during any given session is a core tenet of the development process. It isn't going to change.
 
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This is pure speculation. But it doesn't seem to be high priority for them, obviously.

I told you in another thread, you want a real Ironman mode - you can do it now, clear your save whenever you die. Job done.

If you don't have perma death, it is not Ironman - it's open, with less people.
 
You don't like it, we get it, we don't even require that you like it. The fact of the matter is this is the way this game works, its the way the developers want it, and you're just going to have to decide whether it bothers you enough that you're going to stop playing, or you're going to have to get over it. It isn't going to change.

We'll see. But please: Don't speak for the developers as long as you are not one of them yourself.
 
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