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- and a few will go out to make sure that PvP will get such a bad name that it will be nerfed into the ground... until traders can fly safely in open
If it ever gets that bad PM me, I have already pledged my allegiance.
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I believe the correct method of applying this medication is with a "double facepalm", although repeated application can cause swelling +1 for the rofl
Now that wings work in open & groups (but solo can not hire wing men) I guess you would agree solo is ~ *4 more risk vs reward & solo players deserve *4 the payout compared to open & groups?
lol the risk does not come from npcs.
Have you considered being reasonable? It's a lot easier overall.
I might also suggest is a good idea to do a little research before you buy a game, rather than try to change it later because what you bought doesn't meet your expectations, it is a bit too late after you bought it and played for a few months.
So I will ask you directly, what is it about this game that you feel is so broken, the game I researched before I bought & got what I expected, what offends you so much about the ability for people to login to open/group/solo as they wish (and as described by DBOBE in the earliest dev diarys), something that is in the core design of the game from the start, something that's been stated as staying by a Dev recently (look back a page or two).
How does my choice ruin your game ?, why are no Solo or Group players shouting about open players ruining there trade routes etc, guess they are too busy playing the game & having fun.
OK its late, I don't understand how I am not being reasonable (although I realise it is possible) & yes, believe it or not NPC's do present a risk.
I am hope you will elaborate on the previous, whilst I am not going to get upset that you think I am not "reasonable" I am interested in how you formed that idea, we obviously disagree but I am interested in understanding your opinion, I just don't understand how my game relates to yours, do you know if I am in open?, group,? solo? in bed or out for dinner, watching a film?.
There can only be 32 players in a instance maximum, out of ~ 300k, how many will you see ever?, I have more chance of winning the lottery than meeting you in open (rough guess), why do you care?, I guess that's the real question. Why do you even care ?
yub, and cancelling open and groups wouldnt change anything in regards of traders to shoot.
- some would leave the game
- some would do other things like exploring
- and a few will go out to make sure that PvP will get such a bad name that it will be nerfed into the ground... until traders can fly safely in open
Yup, I will just switch to solo. I used to like trading in open, see another commander on the way and hail and chat ... but now with wings of griefers interdicting you for no other reason than to have the pleasure of a 4 v 1 "PVP" experience ... I will just trade in solo.
Have you tried open in 1.2?
I was trading for like 8 hours yesterday in an incredibly busy system with a wing of traders. One of us was number 3 in the top bounties list, all flying with no guns, never interdicted by a player.
Of course. While away from busy systems its ok, in busy systems its interdiction after interdiction. If you are in a wing, then the kind of players that like a 4 v 1 fight probably never bother you. There are plenty of them out there though trust me. I dont really see the enjoyment out of picking on a solo ship with no bounty and blowing it up without trying to pirate cargo (I dont mind pirates ... thats just the risks of trading) ... but I guess it floats some peoples boat.
Well there's your answer pretty much. If you're trading in open you trade smart and don't go to the busy systems. I've been in open since gamma and trading up to a T9 in open for the past month (including on my own after wings dropped) and I've encountered one player pirate who asked for 30t of what ever I was carrying and didn't fire a shot. I had one viper try to shoot me up after I submitted and stopped engines to ask him what he wanted and I just fsded out with minimal damage.
In 700 hours of play those are the only two negative (the pirate wasn't really a negative) experiences I've had with other players in open. You might have been unlucky and had bad experiences but open isn't the wretched hell hole of gankers that everyone on the forums seem to think it is.
Also not knocking solo at all, if that's your play style then that's fine too. I'm glad we have the option to swap between them.
It's a basic game design for some type of games and/or players, not all games and/or players.
A lot of games and/or players don't have this requirement.
BTW, I find it funny to read so much "hey come play in open game, you will never be attacked" threads from PvP players.
Every time, I'm reading "come in my truck, I got candiiiiies..." (imagine the creepiest voice you can).
I've been reading this mammoth since the start, I think my first post was page 3 (oh er! *) - and the arguments and ideas from the PvP crowd have not changed at all.
One thing I did notice, I did a recurring post they seemed not to be able to argue with (now linked in my sig) about the Kickstarter info and DDA info and some other bits, showing they did not read up on what they were buying, so more fool them for spending money on a product they knew nothing about.
I have no sympathy for people who throw money about without looking in to what they are throwing it at.
[* = for non UK folk, "page 3" can be a reference to a newspaper in the UK, that has topless models on page 3]
The world is made up of saints and the strangely twisted ... sometimes we get some twisties.
But twisties can make your life full of fire can't it, if you know how to take the fun out of that.
I am both PVP and PVE so open is my taste. But why bother about what other say when it's all about
how you want to play it, there is an option is there not? You can effective "cheat" yourself too by jumping
in solo when you like and skip around in open when you have guns. Or just stay in solo and be a hermit, or
go open if you want some real challenge once in a while. It's waste of time to complain about it, play your
game ... I still don't get it why ppl complain ... but I guess we just feel like ranting sometimes.
Keep ranting ... cos this is elite dangerous not the tom and harry kinda game.
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Why should open have more of an incentive, "incentitive for those who WANT TO play it, like me.", why does anyone need an incentive to play "like me", are we all to stupid to make a decision without being coerced?, why do I have to play it the way you want, are you going to pay me?
OK you want a bonus for what?, solo now has more risks, in open you can fly in a wing of 4 all the time, in solo I would be alone, everything I earn should be *4 to compensate as I am alone, same logic?, damn easy open cheat mode!
Click back a page or so, there is a Mod post quoting the Devs stating that its not going to happen.
You seem to miss the fact that all "modes" change the same background, we are all playing the same game, the only difference is when you login you pick a different "match making" setting, solo being a group of 1, a group being more than 1 (and >4k with Mobius) & the other setting being *Ahem* everyone else *ahem* you call it "open" I call it "all the others who have not found a decent group yet"
So again, why does open need this boost, OFC it would involve doubling the servers to split open from other modes, how much are you willing to pay towards these new servers?.
I am starting a collection to help to contribute servers to solve imaginary problems, I think I have spotted a niche in the market, PM me for prices & paypal details, I also have 3 bridges & 2 beach front properties in central London for sale right now, I also have a degree in dealing with imaginary problems, but only a poor gcse in finding dev quotes
Well if you are tired and not in good mood, and dont bother to read/even try to understand what I wrote, then please dont bother to answer at all.
And no I have not read this thread, my "Dangerous Suggestion" thread (below) got merged here.
I did not consider my suggestion giving any huge advantage to people in Open, just nominal motivation for people to choose Open if they really dont care that much and might switch modes often (like you).
Nor did I in anyway attack different modes/their players, or suggest they would be removed/combined etc., or even talk about things being "broken"...
But well if making even slight changes between modes is technically impossible, then I settle for that answer.
Yours and many others reasoning here why things should not change, I have no idea what to think about.
(my original suggestion, and before you answer it, see my previous answers to others already, please)
EDIT: Reason why I posted that despite of this thread, well, I considerent it somehow "different" and not related to what ever is fought over here for whatever reasons there are...
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Just going to quote a friend (we were having dinner last night discussing this very subject). He said:
"Open is like a fly deliberately throwing itself into a web. I use a keyboard to fly, and I stand no chance in hell of putting up a fight to someone using a precision joystick, with throttle controls at their fingers with a head tracker..."
I see his point. I'm not saying it's a particularly heavy reason but i see his point. I'm wondering does hardware disparity also factor in peoples decisions to not join open mode?
"Open is like a fly deliberately throwing itself into a web. I use a keyboard to fly, and I stand no chance in hell of putting up a fight to someone using a precision joystick, with throttle controls at their fingers with a head tracker..."
I see his point. I'm not saying it's a particularly heavy reason but i see his point. I'm wondering does hardware disparity also factor in peoples decisions to not join open mode?
x52 HOTAS - I play in Mobius or a private group with real life friends.
Another friend has a Warthog setup, he only plays in our private group alongside a friend with the thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS and a guy who uses mouse and keyboard with a Logitech G something left hand pad thingy.
So 3 HOTAS users and a K/B mouse.
Some people want the 1984 Elite feel - them versus the galaxy
Some people want to play just with real life friends or part of a private gaming community
No matter what is done to the game, those people play for those reasons, if any of that is changed, the PvP crowd wont get more targets - FD will just get less money on paid expansions as those folks will leave due to unfair advantages being given to PvP/ open mode players.
That's the point we were all trying to make: it isn't. The same thing has been suggested time and time again.
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