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[Angorak]

Though there are some exceptions, there are no other valid reasons for sticking to solo apart from either having a bad connection or being grumpy or old or scared of talking to people not known personally. The main reason i have seen for people preferring open at any one time, is by being scared witless of mythical pvp 'boogeymen' and hulks of burning CMDR type 6's floating around everywhere. I don't want to argue anymore about solo or open being better or worse, just let the devs handle it after this mind numbingly monotonous duscussion drawn out well beyond its actual merit. If they have bothered to read it they must by now understand every possible inch of the argument from both sides.

The real point i'm making, is people can bang on about "play it your way" all they like, and yes you can of course play it your way as the game was intended. Just that some people choose to play with a 'safety blanket' as someone described earlier, while some don't. Its a simple truth. Some people just don't like hearing that, and so try and dress it up as a game style or something else edgy and liberal sounding.

Its not.

What it actually is, is just people simply hiding from the open environment and the only truly dynamic aspect of this game, for fear of loss, be it loss of credits, or loss of time. If this applies to you, stop crying everytime someone says it for what it is. Even if you fall into the category of the exceptional reasons to play solo, there are still legions of people who happily trade solo for a perceived lack of threat over open, be it justified or not. That is hiding in its purest form. Embrace it, it is what it is, just stop trying to label it as something else.

You just don't get it.....sad really.

People that prefer solo are probably made up of the '84ers that played the original Elites....THAT DIDN'T have multiplayer options....was exclusively a solo game...GET IT?
Nobody is "HIDING" they just prefer going it alone. I find it insulting that you, or others, would make that accusation...IT IS FLAT OUT WRONG.
I played Jumpgate for many years and it was a non-consensual pvp environment so don't go accusing me of HIDING or being a CAREBEAR when I decide to play ED solo or Group.

 

[CMDR Reza Malin]

You just don't get it.....sad really.

People that prefer solo are probably made up of the '84ers that played the original Elites....THAT DIDN'T have multiplayer options....was exclusively a solo game...GET IT?
Nobody is "HIDING" they just prefer going it alone. I find it insulting that you, or others, would make that accusation...IT IS FLAT OUT WRONG.
I played Jumpgate for many years and it was a non-consensual pvp environment so don't go accusing me of HIDING or being a CAREBEAR when I decide to play ED solo or Group.

People are not reading my post and instead choose to take everything personally. Also, no one has yet used the word carebear in this thread apart from you, to my knowledge, as it was deemed too violent and offensive for a lot of players eyes. It is a brutal word for sure.

People that prefer solo are made up of 84ers? Lol what? Sure they are. Go read more threads, then come back. I lost count of the number of people i have seen claiming they play solo in a freighter class, and open in a fighter class. Hypocrisy at its best saying they aren't hiding. As i said don't take it personally, i can't make it a case by case basis, im just saying the obvious and most likely reason, as has been stated by people far more than any other reason, even if everyone was in fact being truthful for their perference of solo. If that gets me a ban, then this forum is more of a joke than i thought. Its like beating round the bush using every possible reason to play solo than the most obvious and beenficial one, its an absolute joke people even take offense at this. If you aren't bully for you, but i have no doubt countless are for that exact reason.

Dabba, not sure why you think i will get a ban, and dude linking video wont? Baseless assumptions of mindsets of people trying to ruin others fun? So that applies to everyone playing open does it? Or maybe just a few exceptions like bad internet connections and being grumpy. Lol, make baseless assumptions about me all you want, unlike many here i dont get upset and go crying to mummy report button when someone says something i disagree with.

 

[Dave1235]

Braben already said that they have that planned for repeat offenders that the server flags as being a repeat offender of the griefing kind. They may be discreetly removed from open (without their knowledge) and put in a group with other like players. Kind of like going to jail I guess. A kind of ED purgatory.

He states it in one of the dev video diaries and a couple of other places over the last couple of years.

Yes I remember seeing that too, it should happen as they said it would in time, but I doubt its in the game yet. I think the problems with CMDR's not seeing many people in core systems is more likely related to network issues (P2P/lag/instances etc, but its a educated guess at best), I have never tried "port forwarding" or any other dark art that the technically endowed can use to increase their chances of seeing more people.

I did see a lot of CMDR's around LHS3447, I was in open to experience getting pirated, I read on the forums pirates were active around there and I had never experienced it before, I was looking for it.

I found it lol , I ran, I did not even wait for him to say "ARRR" & I tried FA off & 180, (type6 with missiles, I thought I should share them with him ) I messed up (second lol), I got away with ~ 75% hull, I laughed as I boosted away & jumped, I was seconds from dropping out of SC at the station, and guess what I ain't laughing any more, he got me again & I am pretty sure he has at least 1 railgun.

"cut your engines and prepare to be scanned", (ok my cargo is not that expensive I admit), trying to give him a face full of missiles didn't work, when I was running & charging FSD I am pretty sure he hit me with a railgun a few times, he demands 4 tons of cargo (out of 100) and sends me on my way, that left me smiling, one of my best memory's in 6 months in the game, a proper pirate.

Then I read here (and in previous threads) people trying to change the game so that others are forced to be their sheep, to cull as desired, and I just decide to go into solo mode, I have the insurance, I have no problem with a pirate imposing a "reasonable" tax on my trading, but until they tax the "psychopaths" (or PK's, its a valid option in this game, I realise that but it needs to be punished as in lore, kill a fellow CMDR and you had better like anarchy systems. that bounty should be huge "PVP will be rare & meaningful" was the quote from DBOBE, not an hourly occurrence).

The reason I am not playing in open at the moment is not because I don't have insurance or I am scared (my Cobra is close to A rated, I want a viper next the same), I am playing in solo as I have realised there are people in this game that I would prefer not to meet, which is a shame as most people seem quite nice.

I guess I will think again in a week or two about coming back to open.

 

[mitchella35]

Though there are some exceptions, there are no other valid reasons for sticking to solo apart from either having a bad connection or being grumpy or old or scared of talking to people not known personally. The main reason i have seen for people preferring open at any one time, is by being scared witless of mythical pvp 'boogeymen' and hulks of burning CMDR type 6's floating around everywhere. I don't want to argue anymore about solo or open being better or worse, just let the devs handle it after this mind numbingly monotonous duscussion drawn out well beyond its actual merit. If they have bothered to read it they must by now understand every possible inch of the argument from both sides.

The real point i'm making, is people can bang on about "play it your way" all they like, and yes you can of course play it your way as the game was intended. Just that some people choose to play with a 'safety blanket' as someone described earlier, while some don't. Its a simple truth. Some people just don't like hearing that, and so try and dress it up as a game style or something else edgy and liberal sounding.

Its not.

What it actually is, is just people simply hiding from the open environment and the only truly dynamic aspect of this game, for fear of loss, be it loss of credits, or loss of time. If this applies to you, stop crying everytime someone says it for what it is. Even if you fall into the category of the exceptional reasons to play solo, there are still legions of people who happily trade solo for a perceived lack of threat over open, be it justified or not. That is hiding in its purest form. Embrace it, it is what it is, just stop trying to label it as something else.

I could go into all the reasons why you are wrong, but it wouldn't make any difference as your arrogance blinds you to the fact that other people want different things out of a game than you might. What you perceive to be a "safety blanket" isn't necessarily so. That being said, I play the game in Solo mode, but I see no reason why I should be able to switch between the two consequence-free at any time. It would probably be better if you had to have a separate save for Open and Solo play.

 

[Antmax]

If a player cant tell the difference between an effect caused by somebody in another mode or one cause by somebody in a different instance, how can they honestly say it has an effect on the gameplay they experience? If you can't tell 'em apart then there is no effect on the gamepley.

+1 Exactly.

 

[Jorlin]

People are not reading my post and instead choose to take everything personally. Also, no one has yet used the word carebear in this thread apart from you, to my knowledge, as it was deemed too violent and offensive for a lot of players eyes. It is a brutal word for sure.

People that prefer solo are made up of 84ers? Lol what? Sure they are. Go read more threads, then come back. I lost count of the number of people i have seen claiming they play solo in a freighter class, and open in a fighter class. Hypocrisy at its best saying they aren't hiding. As i said don't take it personally, i can't make it a case by case basis, im just saying the obvious and most likely reason, as has been stated by people far more than any otehr reason, even if everyone was in fact being truthful for their perference of solo.

Dabba, not sure why you think i will get a ban, and dude linking video wont?

well, i might deserve a ban. would be perfectly ok by me

never had one. could keep me from watching the forums, giving me more time racking up money in "safe mode".
i just don't know what for i should rack up....

 

[CMDR Reza Malin]

I could reply with some baseless assumptions as to the mindset and presumed motivations of the people that go out of their way to ruin other peoples fun, but as that is against the rules of this thread and I don't want to get tagged with the same ban I expect you're going to get so Im going to abide by the rules of the thread. Attempting to shame and denigrate people simply for having fun in their own way is childish. Grow up, and enjoy your vacation.

I had to actual reply just to you for this. Lol, what the hell are you talking about? Who exactly am i trying to 'shame'??? Stop trying to make decisions for the moderators. Im not shaming anyone, im saying the most obvious reason for playing solo, that everyone dances around like it isn't the most likely reason for playing solo. Its a joke. Many people have said on various threads thats the exact reason they do it already. The only people that say otherwise go to great pains to make out they are not hiding and instead have other reasons. If so, fair play to them. As i said its not personal, its just obvious.

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I could go into all the reasons why you are wrong, but it wouldn't make any difference as your arrogance blinds you to the fact that other people want different things out of a game than you might. What you perceive to be a "safety blanket" isn't necessarily so. That being said, I play the game in Solo mode, but I see no reason why I should be able to switch between the two consequence-free at any time. It would probably be better if you had to have a separate save for Open and Solo play.

Ok so you could go into all the reasons i am wrong but you wont? Ok great post. In fact after re reading your comment, im 99% sure you didn't read, or didn't understand what i actually said. I dont care about the difference between solo and open mode anymore, im happy as it is.

 

[CMDR Reza Malin]

well, i might deserve a ban. would be perfectly ok by me

never had one. could keep me from watching the forums, giving me more time racking up money in "safe mode".
i just don't know what for i should rack up....

You wont get banned mate because i don't have a hair trigger fitted on my report button. Its a discussion thread. I just disagree with someone instead of being a child running to mods. The video was actually a nice touch.

 

[TheNameIsJambo]

23 pages.. Jesus. I'm sure I replied to the first 1-2...

Is there a TL;DR version?

 

[CMDR Reza Malin]

still a troll...

Thats right, a possible truth you dont like hearing, and an opinion you dont agree with so im a troll. Great stuff.

 

[Jorlin]

You wont get banned mate because i don't have a hair trigger fitted on my report button. Its a discussion thread. I just disagree with someone instead of being a child running to mods. The video was actually a nice touch.

actually the mods are doing more than watching the "report post" cue
i know...i had some warnings

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Thats right, a possible truth you dont like hearing, and an opinion you dont agree with so im a troll. Great stuff.

no, not quite. but you are close...

 

[mosh_er]

I don't understand what the problem is. The original premise of the game was that people could play the way they want to. Solo, Group or Open.

These options have been fullfilled and people are playing in their prefered mode and from other posts seem to be having fun (besides some of the bugs, yes we know they are there).

Why are the PVP'ers so anguished about getting people out of solo or groups to play open? or wanting an increased bonus because they play in open?

On the flip why are solo and group players not wanting to play in open, is it the threat of piracy from CMDR's or the Pkillers that seem to have appeared in populated systems?

Is it just 2 completely different gaming mindsets trying to co exsist in the same game?

I just don't see what the problem is.

I play in open by the way, only drop to solo when i have to (not through griefing or piracy, just the pilots in CMDR popoluated areas that get in the way when docking/taking off pffft. And yes i know some people have to travel fast to avoid scanning its fine really i don't mind, i have insurance )

I think people coming back and answering some of the basic questions might help, an over all picture needs to be formed, without the mud slinging.

Have a nice day

 

[CMDR Reza Malin]

23 pages.. Jesus. I'm sure I replied to the first 1-2...

Is there a TL;DR version?

Sorry mate the only real way i could accurately simulate a TL;DR would require me to be physically there with you so i could pour bleach into your eyes. Thats about how i feel by now after reading this thread for so long.

 

[Mikkel Toxwenius]

I don't understand what the problem is. The original premise of the game was that people could play the way they want to. Solo, Group or Open.

These options have been fullfilled and people are playing in their prefered mode and from other posts seem to be having fun (besides some of the bugs, yes we know they are there).

Why are the PVP'ers so anguished about getting people out of solo or groups to play open? or wanting an increased bonus because they play in open?

On the flip why are solo and group players not wanting to play in open, is it the threat of piracy from CMDR's or the Pkillers that seem to have appeared in populated systems?

Is it just 2 completely different gaming mindsets trying to co exsist in the same game?

I just don't see what the problem is.

I play in open by the way, only drop to solo when i have to (not through griefing or piracy, just the pilots in CMDR popoluated areas that get in the way when docking/taking off pffft. And yes i know some people have to travel fast to avoid scanning its fine really i don't mind, i have insurance )

I think people coming back and answering some of the basic questions might help, an over all picture needs to be formed, without the mud slinging.

Have a nice day

I think one of the major reasons for pro-open players to be annoyed by solo is that trading is so extremely lucrative and low risk, that when doing it in solo play-mode it gets absolutely ridiculously easy, but still very high profit. There's no need to do anything else, trading in solo mode is the way to get them cash in no time, meaning getting that python or anaconda in no time. To me solo play is a kind of cheat

 

[Jorlin]

On the flip why are solo and group players not wanting to play in open, is it the threat of piracy from CMDR's or the Pkillers that seem to have appeared in populated systems?

Have a nice day

Sorry if i (again) cut out the parts that i want to respond to.

For me it's not about "threat".
If i would live in fear of "oh so dangerous players" i would play in the PvE Group.
I have no fear of PvP.
I was (if i remember correctly) the only one that made a thread like "come and kill me" in beta.
Many came, many died... and i had my share on repairs and ensurance...
Surely i could get out in the open.
Nothing to lose...nicely equpipped T9 and Python, enough money to lose them ten times.

My Point is:
I don't want to.
Yes it's that simple: I don't want to.

 

[mosh_er]

I think one of the major reasons for pro-open players to be annoyed by solo is that trading is so extremely lucrative and low risk, that when doing it in solo play-mode it gets absolutely ridiculously easy, but still very high profit. There's no need to do anything else, trading in solo mode is the way to get them cash in no time, meaning getting that python or anaconda in no time. To me solo play is a kind of cheat

Thankyou for your reply, i see your point and well made it is.

However the trading mechanics are the same in both arenas, YES in CMDR populated areas with pirate operations on the go then it gets more difficult but they are essentially the same especially if you move out of the core systems. Its still ends up being the same grind.

Are there any traders in open that can back this up?

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Sorry if i (again) cut out the parts that i want to respond to.

For me it's not about "threat".
If i would live in fear of "oh so dangerous players" i would play in the PvE Group.
I have no fear of PvP.
I was (if i remember correctly) the only one that made a thread like "come and kill me" in beta.
Many came, many died... and i had my share on repairs and ensurance...
Surely i could get out in the open.
Nothing to lose...nicely equpipped T9 and Python, enough money to lose them ten times.

My Point is:
I don't want to.
Yes it's that simple: I don't want to.

I assume you mean you don't want to play in open?

Thats abolutely fine, you want to play the game the way the dev's intended, the choice is yours. Good for you. Are you having fun? Because lets face it thats all that counts.

 

[Jorlin]

Thats abolutely fine, you want to play the game the way the dev's intended the choice is yours. Good for you. Are you having fun? Because lets face it thats all that counts.

yes i have.

it might be more fun if i could get back to PvP action... but i cannot do this at the moment.
and this is why i like the current system.

 

[mosh_er]

yes i have.

it might be more fun if i could get back to PvP action... but i cannot do this at the moment.
and this is why i like the current system.

Good for you, I like the positivity. The choice is in your hands as the devs wanted.

 

[Jorlin]

Good for you, I like the positivity. The choice is in your hands as the devs wanted.

exactly...

 

[Cowboy Bats]

the white knight is strong with this one.

The very fact that the "white" knight is seen negatively alone paints the entire picture. Six year olds have developed an accurate enough moral compass to realize that he white knight is the good guy, and the black knight is the bad guy.