Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread [See new thread]

[Jorlin]

The very fact that the "white" knight is seen negatively alone paints the entire picture. Six year olds have developed an accurate enough moral compass to realize that he white knight is the good guy, and the black knight is the bad guy.

as much as i favour the "white hats"...or better the "grey hats"...
the guys dressed in black are ok within this game.
the problem is: there are more pirrates than traders. there are more bountyhunters than pirates.
the balance is way off...and even forcing everyone into "open" won't make it better.

what do you think is the number of traders needed to support one single pirate?
if they should stay in "open"... i'd guess about one hundred.
now 20% want to be a pirate.
will this work out?

 

[Antmax]

This whole thread is largely based in peoples insecurities when in fact those fears probably only represent the actions of fewer than 5% of the player base. Fear of non consensual combat and being stalked by obnoxious players. Fear of someone playing on their own and somehow getting an upper hand through perceived cheating because that's what you are tempted to do yourself. Or fear that they won't have any weak pacifist players to terrorize.

Since not everyone starts at the same time, and the so called persistent universe can never have more than 32 players interacting together and each instance is separate to one another, while all effecting the same simulation.

No one can actually have control of anything themselves, even in the same mode you can only interact with a handful of other players simultaneously among thousands that might be in the exact same area as you.

The game wasn't really designed with competition of that sort in mind. So none of it matters. Pick the mode that suits your frame of mind and enjoy it for what it is.

 

[mosh_er]

This whole thread is largely based in peoples insecurities when in fact those fears probably only represent the actions of fewer than 5% of the player base. Fear of non consensual combat and being stalked by obnoxious players. Fear of someone playing on their own and somehow getting an upper hand through perceived cheating because that's what you are tempted to do yourself. Or fear that they won't have any weak pacifist players to terrorize.

Since not everyone starts at the same time, and the so called persistent universe can never have more than 32 players interacting together and each instance is separate to one another, while all effecting the same simulation.

No one can actually have control of anything themselves, even in the same mode you can only interact with a handful of other players simultaneously among thousands that might be in the exact same area as you.

The game wasn't really designed with competition of that sort in mind. So none of it matters. Pick the mode that suits your frame of mind and enjoy it for what it is.

This is an excellent point to bring up, i was thinking about this earlier and it is very true.

 

[OBoile]

Well that's hardly a logical comparison.

I've never had my mobile phone stolen, that doesn't mean there are very few mobile phone thefts.

Heck, if nothing else I've watched Tigga's stream quite a bit. He has been responsible for quite a few open traders losing a percentage of their cargo. I do not know how much cargo is lost to player pirates in open but I know that 100% less is lost in solo. Over time that deviance will be widening. Even if it's only 0.1% difference - that, compounded over time, will be lead to a huge difference in wealth eventually. Maybe not next week or the week after but I imagine this game will run for some time yet. By next year, if left unaddressed, there is the potential for a major problem.

I fail to see the error in my logic. You have played open for a month and faced zero threats that you would not have faced in solo. I do see a huge error in yours though. A 0.1% difference won't be much more than 0.1% in a year. The only time a difference would compound in this game is when a new ship or equipment is purchased. A 0.1% difference wouldn't allow these to be purchased earlier so there really wouldn't be much chance for any difference to compound.

Furthermore, whatever difference there is, it is far, far less than the advantage gained for people who didn't have to wipe after gamma. It's far, far less than the advantage you'll have over people just buying the game now.

Finally, there is no "winner" in this game and the galaxy is huge. Who cares if someone has a minor advantage? It's highly unlikely to affect you in any way.

 

[snotface]

This is an excellent point to bring up, i was thinking about this earlier and it is very true.

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I have made a few posts on here and people, as they always do. never listen to anything else other than their own voice. I have said it before myself, I do not care one little bit what anybody else's Religion is, their views on the game, as long as they do not try and force it onto me.

There are 300,000 people playing Elite all around the world. We will not see every one of them, we will never interact with every single one of them, so why does that 1% of players think that the other 99% have to play Elite under their terms as dictated by them. If you are not happy with the game as the other 99% of players, as stated there is 300,000 player base and only about 1000 people complain about it not being played their way, then there is always the off button or you could find out why everybody else is playing the game the way they want to.

I bet there is only about 20% of all players that use the forum.

Support FD or don't sopport FD, but leave everybody else to play the game how they want to play it.

 

[Kars Vandor]

I've played EVE for 9 years. Enjoyed my time there as a a high security space cargo runner, made a lot, lost a lot in high security declared wars against me.

I was able to buy the game and play a day until the 1.05 patch messed up my ability to play for the last few days.

in that one day, i explored 5 systems, ran some cargo and got ruthlessly hunted down by guys in open. Even broke out of interdiction 3 times, but still caught, then slain.

I was not aware that there was a closed solo mode, just skipped over it. Because of this, i'm going to solo, and staying, because I'm down to 1500 credits and a starter ship after 10 hours of play.

that's what the player-killers take from me, time of my life, which I can't get back. C'est la vie.

If the game goes 100% open, i'm leaving, as traders cannot compete with ramped up killers with missiles, who just kill you for nothing.

If I could hire escorts, I would.

What needs to happen now is a trade convoy setup with escorts like they had in world war 2 against submarines. not as effective as they could have been, but i didn't want ten hours of my life wasted by a few clicks for lulz.

And i did not alt-F4 like a boss, i took my hits and blew up, twice.

There needs to be more serious fines or lockouts on ports for player killing, if traders are expected to run in open.

 

[snotface]

Wow great statement adding nothing of any substance, with standard 'edgy' video to seem cool. Good effort. First impression would mark you as a safety blanket fan.

Ok lets try this. Reasons to play solo:

A) Internet connection is poor
B) Grumpy and does not like intereacting with others
C) Wants to hide from the bad men and prevent loss of assets/and or precious playing time from threats not present in solo.

Ok so which do you think is more likely for the majority of solo players?

I have no issue with any of these reasons, same as i have no issue with solo play. If you had bothered reading my post you would see i am just pointing out that you can dress it up how you like, but a lot of people just want to hide. Plain and simple. Fine with me. If the cap fits wear it, if it doesn't, well done you.

EDIT: also, dont cut the parts of my post out just to suit your crap statements.

I find this kind of comments a little disturbing. You have clearly labelled solo players into a group. There was a man that did the same a long time ago, but he gave those people name tags and numbers tattooed into their arms.

This post is not about classing people into groups just because it make the minority feel better, that happened in Europe once and look how that ended.

I am offended that you have made this post, and even though its been allowed I think I will point it out as very offensive to anybody who plays this game in any mode.

Once you start putting people into groups just because you have no idea why they prefer to do something which you do not like, then we may as well delete the last 75 years and learn German.

I do not wish to offend anybody, and I apologise if I have.

 

[snotface]

There needs to be more serious fines or lockouts on ports for player killing, if traders are expected to run in open.

The easy way to play in Open as a trader is to jump away from all areas where players are. I am about 150 Ly away from where I started. At first it is slow going but you soon make the cash. I have not seen any other player in last 4 days. I have killed that many NPC's its crazy. It's a pain but use Solo to make the jumps away, or do it in open. In open you will at least be able to know if the system is being used.

Its just an idea for you. Not everybody in this game just wants to kill you or take your credits. If I could help you out with a lone I would. I think you would be alright if somebody donated you 500,000 credits

 

[OBoile]

Which is necessary to maintain the integrity of the online component. Surely you won't want to influence something without actually taking part in it. Oh wait, you do.

To be honest, the game is suffering quite badly due to very selfish demands from solo players. You want to have your cake and eat it too. Normal solo mode isn't enough, private groups aren't enough, 5 billion systems isn't even enough! You guys actually insist on having your own private universe and that universe has to be connected to the multiplayer one. It's absolutely insane if you think about it. It's just fear overriding reason, nothing more. You guys create these bizarre victim scenarios in your head and never really get out there. This is why not separating the modes is bad, it destroys the risk vs reward balance completely.

I disagree with every single thing said here. Solo players do take part in the universe. The game isn't suffering. Normal solo mode and private groups was enough (it was the developers who took away offline mode). No one insisted on anything. It was what the developers offered and people chose to purchase based on that. It's not insane at all. It's actually quite reasonable. Some people simply prefer to play on their own, some are forced to for technical reasons. This is why separating modes is good. The risk vs. reward balance is largely unaffected.

 

[Kars Vandor]

Thanks but I don't need a loan. 1.05 patch two days ago broke the game for me, so i have been sitting here playing the last scenario of the training game for practice, the main game crashes on launch from start for me. And that sort of was my strategy, exploration, but I was so far out there were only stars, no planets, and i didn't have the gear to scan for planets, i guess.

That's where i was ambushed and killed, twice. Not all that upset, it was lost time. the upsetting thing is i did play for a day, then.. broken software.

Dso I'm getting in practice with training. But yeah hunting players down is not really productive in my mind. To each their own.

 

[mosh_er]

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I have made a few posts on here and people, as they always do. never listen to anything else other than their own voice. I have said it before myself, I do not care one little bit what anybody else's Religion is, their views on the game, as long as they do not try and force it onto me.

There are 300,000 people playing Elite all around the world. We will not see every one of them, we will never interact with every single one of them, so why does that 1% of players think that the other 99% have to play Elite under their terms as dictated by them. If you are not happy with the game as the other 99% of players, as stated there is 300,000 player base and only about 1000 people complain about it not being played their way, then there is always the off button or you could find out why everybody else is playing the game the way they want to.

I bet there is only about 20% of all players that use the forum.

Support FD or don't sopport FD, but leave everybody else to play the game how they want to play it.

Wow man Chill, no need for the anger. You are right its there for everyone to play the way they want. Did I say something to offend you?

Sorry if i idid man!

 

[snotface]

have you ticketed your problem. And I have had the same problem today, programme starts up but doesn't close or doesn't open correctly. Fixed it now was a software issue, but you may find they have a work around or a fix.

And as you say, to each their own.

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Wow man Chill, no need for the anger. You are right its there for everyone to play the way they want. Did I say something to offend you?

Sorry if i idid man!

No you didn't offend me other wise you wouldn't of got the +1.

I was following the thread and agrying to what you said

 

[Jaeger]

Solo vs open is an elegant way to include PvP in the Elite universe. It would be better if it were simply a PvP flag as there is no co-op PvE open mode. F D have tried to do something different and made a mistake.

A third mode should also be added - Arena - where you can PvP in 1v1, 2v2 ... 3v3 and upward battlegrounds.

 

[mosh_er]

have you ticketed your problem. And I have had the same problem today, programme starts up but doesn't close or doesn't open correctly. Fixed it now was a software issue, but you may find they have a work around or a fix.

And as you say, to each their own.

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No you didn't offend me other wise you wouldn't of got the +1.

I was following the thread and agrying to what you said

Cool man, my mistake was worried there.

 

[Captain Willard]

Solo vs open is an elegant way to include PvP in the Elite universe. It would be better if it were simply a PvP flag as there is no co-op PvE open mode. F D have tried to do something different and made a mistake.

A third mode should also be added - Arena - where you can PvP in 1v1, 2v2 ... 3v3 and upward battlegrounds.

ED made no mistake, the game is made for everyone. Maybe 300 to 500 solo and private players should ban together and invade a pvp controlled system some day for 6-8 hrs and lay waste to any pvp player that spawns. The howling about cheating will be heard to the high heavens. There might even be tears.

 

[Dave1235]

In my experience - true pirating doesn't turn people away - it makes the game fun. I'm not a pirate, but having the experience of another Commander demanding your cargo or something nasty will happen - is a game of both skill and wits. It's extremely entertaining.

Yeah we agree there, I got "mugged" recently, I looked for it, the pirate was a true gent, after escaping once he caught me again, the second time I did not deploy hard points, gave him 4 tons and we were done, not a shot fired.

What isn't fun though - are the mindless pew-pew crew. There is no skill or wit involved in those encounters - and many Commanders have taken to logging off or alternative means of getting rid of them.

If you play in open I don't think you should pull the cable, switching mode is a valid option, I would not personally, even though I have no love fore the "mindless pew-pew crew", I would never "pull the cable" or switch mode to avoid them. If I clicked on "open mode" I sort of agreed to it.

I think this will be less of an issue in a few months, I am hoping SC speed up their schedule, many people that are not happy here might find it more to their liking, I am keeping an eye on it myself, even if they don't like it they will buy SC too (and tell them how their game should be lol).

I am pretty sure in a few months the grouping options will be the same, I would like to think that something still in the game 3 months after launch would almost confirm it as a feature (obviously from Beta to post launch is not enough of a hint that its here to stay), dev diarys, dev posts, DDF posts obviously are irrelevant too.

I can see this discussion continuing for a long while, what I can't see is any progress being made or any change happening to the game due to it.

 

[CMDR Reza Malin]

I find this kind of comments a little disturbing. You have clearly labelled solo players into a group. There was a man that did the same a long time ago, but he gave those people name tags and numbers tattooed into their arms.

This post is not about classing people into groups just because it make the minority feel better, that happened in Europe once and look how that ended.

I am offended that you have made this post, and even though its been allowed I think I will point it out as very offensive to anybody who plays this game in any mode.

Once you start putting people into groups just because you have no idea why they prefer to do something which you do not like, then we may as well delete the last 75 years and learn German.

I do not wish to offend anybody, and I apologise if I have.

You seem like a decent guy mate. Why would a post about a video game offend you? its just a game, i don't get why people get so offended by how they play a video game. furthermore, where the hell did you come by a hitler reference from someone making a comment on a forum about the reasons for using solo mode? I find your comments disturbing in the fact it shows you take this video game and the forums a little too serious.

I don't get what was so offensive. Again, i just think people cant read the posts properly or just don't bother. AGAIN - My point is this: No matter how people dress it up, the main reason solo seems to be so popular is because people like to hide there away from any danger of player interdictions. The fact that people try so hard to justify how badass they are and that they 'aren't afraid of pvp' just makes me even more sceptical that it isn't the exact opposite.

I just don't get why people use any reasoning they can think of as to why they prefer using solo apart from the most likely one, which is to reduce risk. Yes i know there are people who have other reasons for solo like internet connection, or they dont like other humans, im not saying EVERYONE plays solo to be safe, but its obvious when you browse other threads that it is the most popular reason. Wish people would stand by their convictions and accept it, instead of making out its not even a relevant use. Some people just seem to have an issue with it. I mean, its by far the most advantageous use for solo mode. And then even more, some take it personally and take offence, lol. I don't give a crap if someone wants to play solo or open, just wish people would stop acting like people aren't using it to completely avoid any risk of pvp. I get it, people can choose, its part of the game. Fine.

And before anyone lays out the old "its real easy to escape player interdictions" yeah it can be unless the pirate is in an asp, which many are now. Then a type 6 or anything smaller will be mass locked substantially. Suddenly the threat of player interdictions is much higher than just dudes in vipers and cobras.

 

[Captain Willard]

Elite never was and never will be a pvp game. It is a single player game now online with pvp "ASPECTS" If a pvp player decides to go beyond a pirate venue and be a player killer, he is ruining his own game.

 

[Antmax]

Elite never was and never will be a pvp game. It is a single player game now online with pvp "ASPECTS" If a pvp player decides to go beyond a pirate venue and be a player killer, he is ruining his own game.

Pretty much, when you consider how the game tries to punish you for attacking clean players. No kill recorded plus bounty to yourself.

Personally, I play War Thunder for PvP. It's a far more satisfying game in that respect. Though Joystick is incredibly hard in arcade mode against 21st century mouse control. It does have much more satisfying PvP with more advanced damage modeling because PvP is the mode the whole game is built around.

 

[Captain Willard]

Crimson skies, ww2 fighters, war thunder, IL sturmovik, falcon 1.0, 4.0 and on and on. Ya I like aerial combat.