The Star Citizen Thread V2.0

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Mr.Nowak

Mr.Nowak
1500 said:
LOL no, it was planed for after 0.9 release and it was clearly supposed to be for 0.9. What did that video have to do with anything?
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Really can you show anything that proves it was supposed to be post 0.9? If it was supposed to be post 0.9 then they wouldn't have put it out there. They would have waited for release. What are you basing this on?

There is no information about 0.9 on the free code nor has anybody from CIG said it was for 0.9. If it was it wouldn't have released before it. It was meant for DragonCon and for new people to try out AC.

The video is just extra info about how Sandi planned the free code.
 

1500

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Mr.Nowak said:
Really can you show anything that proves it was supposed to be post 0.9? If it was supposed to be post 0.9 then they wouldn't have put it out there. They would have waited for release. What are you basing this on?

There is no information about 0.9 on the free code nor has anybody from CIG said it was for 0.9. If it was it wouldn't have released before it. It was meant for DragonCon and for new people to try out AC.

The video is just extra info about how Sandi planned the free code.
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The fact that the codes were only good the WEEK after the 0.9 release date. What does that video have to do with 0.9 vs 0.8? It has nothing to do with that. You posted a video that does not matter to the discussion at hand.

Edit: so rereading your post. You are saying that CIG knew that they would not make their own projected 0.9 release so the dragoncon codes were expected to be used for 0.8. So if CIG knew they could not make their own 0.9 release date why give that date?
 
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Hydrino

Hydrino
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Well that a non issue. Publisher put multi millions investment and do they stalk like a puppy that dev, like a reality soap show, no.
Publisher are sometime seen or more often as a necessary evil. Those professional suits come on agreed milestones to communicate status. And re agosiate term if goals are not met. Which means cancelation or more funding but worse contract for studio. It is not in there interest to stalked a studio on daily basis. interrupting production. Harassing.

Publisher have lot of mid production demand. Some expensive changes and wish list to add more but not with extra time and extra resources. which means studio must show it teeth to publisher. If you want that then We need extra time and thus funds. A established studio are more on equal term. A regular studio not so there is the publisher more dominating the contracts. Crunch time is the norm.

So does you own the studio because you have pledge. No you take the risk you invest you took the gamble. I would say let it loose and follow it on more reasonable intervals like more inline with milestones they got.
I take intervals of 3 to 6 month.

So you took the risk to gamble. Even a famous dev like John carmack means that there latest production go guarantied well. And become a sales hit. There is no guaranty there is only risk. So always know that what you put in can be lost forever. That do publisher or any investor with lot more money. They manage risk. They spread Risk. And go for those with highest potential.

Well CR is a experience Veteran. No guaranty to success. Fail is always possible. It unhealthy to stress every day about it. I would check this thing out ever 3 to 6 month. that the norm for very noticeable progress.


I using MS VS prof 2012 currently on my dev rig. I go for PCG Pure. Means no need for 3D modeling package.


So why worry be happy. You win some you loose some.

If I go for pledging for SC.
I go for a connie.
don't care much on stats as even after release there will be fine tuning and rebalansing.
Also if it great ship well that wil be unkown for long time.
But its the multi crew starter ships and I like big ship combat.
250 bucks is a gamble a investment so I see it as money spent gambling.
A calculated loss. If not then be more happy.
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Yeah, so it is just a keen observation that every single person on forums knows that SC could never be made in two years, but CR the legend promised everyone he could do it in his Kickstarter announcement/pledge. How crazy is that?! Kickstarter is founded on a promise and trust. The original plan is already destroyed. Maybe no-one cares but you shouldn't defend it like CR is not responsible because he had no idea it would take so long to ramp up yet another game he will make. That is like just clearly saying CR is a horrible planner and doesn't have a clue so we don't know if the game will ever be done, but you should donate anyway. That is not a convincing sales pitch.

Maybe the Elite backers and SC watchers-of-Elite would take it just as well if FD announced that they now need twice the money and time to make Elite? Somehow I think there would be more complaints, but maybe not.

However, another thing is also clear. With all the extra donations, CR is realizing that other games like Elite, No Mans Sky, Limit Theory, etc. actually have ideas that he needs to take to make a real space game and not just a movie with 70 CryEngine maps as cut-scenes. Larger play areas, Procedural Generation, hand-crafting within limits, and exploration (cool but requires more than 70 star systems in a small area). I expect at some point to hear 1:1 scale galaxy. This is ironic to me as CR recently stated SC continues to get so much more cash from backers than Elite because his ideas are so freakin' cool.

I think FD feels the heat of competition and the team is giving it a huge effort to do more with less. This is good for Elite backers. And FD still says to investors they are on track for Q04 release of phase I (the classic Elite reboot). This will meet their publicly announced time-line.
 

Mr.Nowak

Mr.Nowak
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The fact that the codes were only good the WEEK after the 0.9 release date. What does that video have to do with 0.9 vs 0.8? It has nothing to do with that. You posted a video that does not matter to the discussion at hand.

Edit: so rereading your post. You are saying that CIG knew that they would not make their own projected 0.9 release so the dragoncon codes were expected to be used for 0.8. So if CIG knew they could not make their own 0.9 release date why give that date?
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DragonCon promos are for DragonCon they are not tied to 0.9. If they were there would be no promos right now. They would just wait to release it and it would have been called 0.9 promo.

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Only thing that got me worried is when they said that 0.9 is not there yet.. Does this mean that the yesterday's test didn't pass or what?
I hope we'll get some info on the state of the patch testing (and eventual stoppers) this evening...
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Ben Lesnick: We'll have a status update for you later today. We actually shot the episode on Tuesday and did two variations... one to run if the patch was out and one to run if it wasn't yet. :)
 
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Mr.Nowak said:
DragonCon promos are for DragonCon they are not tied to 0.9. If they were there would be no promos right now. They would just wait to release it and it would have been called 0.9 promo.

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Ben Lesnick: We'll have a status update for you later today. We actually shot the episode on Tuesday and did two variations... one to run if the patch was out and one to run if it wasn't yet. :)
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Why make two variations of the show? If you are not sure something will make it then dont include it in the show. I thought that show was about facts of the game
 

Mr.Nowak

Mr.Nowak
ykza5 said:
Why make two variations of the show? If you are not sure something will make it then dont include it in the show. I thought that show was about facts of the game
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Its not two variatons of the whole show its just the part where they talk about 0.9. The show is recorded on Monday to Tuesday and rendered on Wednesday. It releases on Thursday.
 

psyron

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psyron
Mr.Nowak said:
Its not two variatons of the whole show its just the part where they talk about 0.9. The show is recorded on Monday to Tuesday and rendered on Wednesday. It releases on Thursday.
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Again ... and i fully agree here with FD: CIG are putting far too much effort in their shows instead on concentrating 100% on software developement.

To make it clear:
Those shows cost money. If SC fans want it nevertheless, then fine. But do not complain that more important stuff is getting delayed again and again. At CIG those shows are part of their marketing strategy. So you get what you have paid for.

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I admit that i have seen all those shows - simply because i am curious. But i wouldn't invest money in it. If i would have invested money in SC i guess i would be angry about all those marketing shows.
 
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Mr.Nowak

Mr.Nowak
psyron said:
Again ... and i fully agree here with FD: CIG are putting far too much effort in their shows instead on concentrating 100% on software developement.

To make it clear:
Those shows cost money. If SC fans want it nevertheless, then fine. But do not complain that more important stuff is getting delayed again and again. At CIG those shows are part of their marketing strategy. So you get what you have paid for.

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I admit that i have seen all those shows - simply because i am curious. But i wouldn't invest money in it. If i would have invested money in SC i guess i would be angry about all those marketing shows.
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Nobody is complaining we are all happy to be a part of this open development process and to be updated on a regular basis. CIG's open development is not their marketing strategy it's their way of keeping the community up to date. No studio ever goes in to the trouble of sharing this much info weekly or monthly while in alpha development.

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$2,000,000

Regular community updates.

$3,000,000

Increased community updates at the RSI website.

Source: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals

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Subscriber money goes in to stuff like Jump Point and these shows that share more content with the community too. Also again this stuff doesn't slow down development. You need community managers in a firm anyway why not put him to good use in through making videos too?

If Ben Lesnick, James Pugh, Sandi, Will were coders but were made to do community shows that would actually be a different story but that's not the case. These people are giving their best and are always there for the community. Very very passionate.
 

psyron

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psyron
Mr.Nowak said:
Nobody is complaining we are all happy to be a part of this open development process and to be updated on a regular basis. CIG's open development is not their marketing strategy it's their way of keeping the community up to date.
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Come on!!!

The most important topic of these shows are always NEW SHIPS and how everyone is excited about them!
Sandi Gardiner always saying: "Oh, i like this new ship, i must have it!"

And you say this is not a SHIP SALES MARKETING STRATEGY ???

You must be kidding. ;)

No studio ever goes in to the trouble of sharing this much info weekly or monthly while in alpha development.
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No, they are not going into trouble. They get paid by you and other SC fans by doing those videos! ;)

Compare this with the compact but very informative ED newsletter. Much more informative, but of course less shiny and "entertaining".
Maybe i am not in the targeting age of SC, but most of SC videos really are boring and not even entertaining for me. But having 80% of SC fans being below 30 years - this explains a lot.
 
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Neo-ST

Neo-ST
psyron said:
Come on!!!

The most important topic of these shows are always NEW SHIPS and how everyone is excited about them!
Sandi Gardiner always saying: "Oh, i like this new ship, i must have it!"
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Now that you mention it, I can't resist to comment on how IRRITATING has become their constant persuasion of how everything is "oh so cool!".
Next time pay attention to usage of word "cool", you'll get what I mean.
Everything is so cool to them, maybe we don't all find it so cool?
Reminded me now of George Carlin's "Have a nice day!" piece...what a legend :(
 

Asp Explorer

Asp Explorer
Neo-ST said:
Now that you mention it, I can't resist to comment on how IRRITATING has become their constant persuasion of how everything is "oh so cool!".
Next time pay attention to usage of word "cool", you'll get what I mean.
Everything is so cool to them, maybe we don't all find it so cool?
Reminded me now of George Carlin's "Have a nice day!" piece...what a legend :(
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It reminds me of that Xbox One presentation.

"TV! TV! TV!" every two or three seconds. And I thought it was a games console - silly me!

As for SC - I think it's clear by now that their definition of "cool" doesn't match mine. I can deal with delays, but this extended procrastination has gone beyond the joke.
 

Tiggo

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psyron said:
Come on!!!

The most important topic of these shows are always NEW SHIPS and how everyone is excited about them!
Sandi Gardiner always saying: "Oh, i like this new ship, i must have it!"

And you say this is not as SHIP SALES MARKETING STRATEGY ???

You must be kidding. ;)



No, they are not going into trouble. They get paid by you and other SC fans by doing those videos! ;)

Compare this with the compact but very informative ED newsletter. Much more informative, but of course less shiny and "entertaining".
Maybe i am not in the targeting age of SC, but most of SC videos really are boring and not even entertaining for me. But having 80% of SC fans being below 30 years - this explains a lot.
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you need to get your opinion straight. Either these shows are "waste of money, pledgers gave to get the game done" or "marketing shows to get more money into the company, to get the game done"

cant be both m8 ^^
 
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