I do understand that. I am not here saying that there is a finished game yet. I am here saying they are developing the game and not intentionally scamming people. These people truly work hard to make the game possible in the high standards that it wants to come forward. Each year we have seen it get close to those standards. It's still ways away but that doesn't mean there isn't a huge talented team working hard on it. Your points are fairly valid.
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I do understand that. I am not here saying that there is a finished game yet. I am here saying they are developing the game and not intentionally scamming people. These people truly work hard to make the game possible in the high standards that it wants to come forward. Each year we have seen it get close to those standards. It's still ways away but that doesn't mean there isn't a huge talented team working hard on it. Your points are fairly valid.
CMDR_Orlando
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What's the problem in mentioning features that they would like to have? It's them showing their passion for what they do. It doesn't mean work will stop and those features get priority. Nitpick much.
What I find interesting is that they sold 64,000 ships over 55 days raising $6.7 million from Gamescom announce to the day before the Polaris concept art sale. An average of $105 per ship.
They then made half that amount again selling just 2650 ships in the following 5 days. An average of $1130 per ship.
The whales sure are enthuiastic about paying for their space superiority.
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True. I'm sure they'd like to have a game (or two) as well, and are very passionate about that, but just because that's not there either, I'll give them a pass because...exuberance, I guess.
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I am quite sure, that majority just joined CIG just for the money, with "unlimited" budget CR can over bid any other offer easily..
Anyway time will show is this greatest success in gaming history or biggest failure, basically CR's legacy here is on the line...
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Style over substance every time. The fact that CR was impressed with 'Ryse Son of Rome' speaks volumes about the 'gameplay' he has produced to date.
CMDR_Orlando
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[video=youtube;hzCBgjml418]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCBgjml418[/video]
Anyone noticed that @ Minute 7:10 of this movie the characther of Mark Hammil joins the player (@9:08m) and says "Let's wrap this up" before jumping to space and we see a Idris and a couple of other ships?
That's part of the Squadron 42 mission that they wanted to show I'll bet.
Also what a lovely hazardous looking planet that one with the sulfur lakes and gorgeous sunset!
Quantum jump gif: https://i.imgur.com/AdQMFcd.gifv
Anyone noticed that @ Minute 7:10 of this movie the characther of Mark Hammil joins the player (@9:08m) and says "Let's wrap this up" before jumping to space and we see a Idris and a couple of other ships?
That's part of the Squadron 42 mission that they wanted to show I'll bet.
Also what a lovely hazardous looking planet that one with the sulfur lakes and gorgeous sunset!
Quantum jump gif: https://i.imgur.com/AdQMFcd.gifv
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About scam part, i do not believe it, too.
CR wants game to be made, but question is can he do it, with his perfectionist character (refactoring everything!!) and feature creep..
But their business practices are not very honest..lets be clear about this...
Yes, they did have a product, yes, they were doing other things than just fabricate their accounts. No, CIG doesn't push any boundaries. Why can't we discredit the industry veterans if we see how badly are they handling their jobs? Seriously, why should CIG be immune to criticism?
Quoting myself here because I just saw something was really off. If the Polaris was $625 for subscribers and they sold 2653 ships they could only have raised $1.65 million and yet almost double that figure ($3 million) is being claimed in that time period.
I don't know where or how that google chart gets its data but the numbers somewhere are clearly inflated.
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I have some problems with this. First of all CIG is primarily funded by pre-orders. If this went on with, say, a publicly-owned company then I wouldn't care (well, I'll laugh at it for sure).
I am also really not impressed by how "open" CIG are. yes, there are lots of videos & stuff, but very little of actual substance. Basic "how we are spending your money" financials? Roadmaps? Being open about issues (Star Marine, no mention of SQ42 demo fail until it was simply not shown)? Missing deadlines - or, rather, keeping the old deadlines even with scope change and simply missing them as opposed to refactor? Seriously this is crappy.
Also CR is an admitted micromanager. The bigger the company becomes with someone like that as the CEO/Chairman, the more screwed it becomes.
The real killer for me is asking an obscene amount of money for in-game items.
And I am getting exactly the same vibe from Star Citizen, but with way more money at stake.
Yeah, but having your production company sued by an A-lister is a bad look.
Do we know how much of the storyline is going to be branching? 360 is, IMO, pretty close to overkill. As is 2 hours of mocap. I owulkd be very interested to see how much CIG have spent on this as opposed to, you know, developing gameplay.
Fundamental problem. According to CR he is the only valid source of information (the devs, community people aren't the final say). If he can't keep his mouth shut then he is a liability. Excitement doesn't cover it. If he is making stuff up as he goes along then at those times he is no better than a cheap salesman.
CIG have been so vague with specs that each SC fan has a totally different idea as to what the game will be. This is really bad as it will lead to disappointment all round. Multicrew is a great example here. Are the large ships going to be enforced multiplayer? What about your whale who wants to fly his ship but can't find a crew..?
I'm saying that CIG aren't open in their development, whatever they claim.
They are selling $15000 pre-order packages and are not being open with the buyers.
And it is also very possible for something to be both "ambitious" and "impossible to achieve" at the same time.
And the CIG folks at the coal-face? I don't think that anyone has any problem with them. It's how the entire project is being managed.
Exactly, so maybe he just wants very cinematic game with crazy visuals with on the rails experience..
There are rumors that now CR are more focused on SQ42 release then PU mode that about 85 % of backers want..there was pool in SC forums...
Well that didn't take long. The whole "It's Derek Smart's fault" deflection".
ps: seek help for what ails you
pps: I'm pretty sure that's a Rule 4 violation btw. REPORTED!! See you in Two Weeks.
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Game is delayed to 2017 at least, too
Hard to say what is reason for all this money incoming...maybe "Alfa Whales" now want to push SC no meter at what cost...after all weak CitCon event (no release dates...) and all negativity..
About CR vs DS, I guess truth is somewhere in between..
The irony is that the very whales who can't accept defeat, are the ones who keep propping it up. Were it not for them, this whole project would have collapsed by now because it's clear that CIG still needs money to continue funding the farce. So now we wait to see how long they can keep that up for.
CMDR_Orlando
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Funny that he never mentioned you in that post, I wonder what gave you the idea that he was talking about you? [rolleyes]
1982 !
Spot ON! [big grin]
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[h=1]Inside the Troubled Development of Star Citizen[/h]
[h=2]Can Star Citizen be made?[/h][FONT="]I asked each of my sources if they thought Star Citizen could actually be made, knowing what they do, and there was no clear consensus. But there was clear agreement on ‘overscope’.[/FONT]
[FONT="]One source, for instance, said that “there's a lot of Star Citizen that is incredibly impractical, while not a lot of it is impossible. With enough time and money and clever people, anything can be made, right? I think it suffers from the same problem that has dogged all video game development since the beginning: overscope. There's not a video game ever made that's not had stuff cut from it, or dropped, or been redesigned because it turns out it was too big.[/FONT]
[FONT="]“Star Citizen started from this small development targeted at doing this one specific thing with a specific set of technology, which was absolutely fine – and then it grew and grew. Rather than adapting to new technologies and approaches for the new scope they stayed with what they had, which slowed everything down. In the end, what they should have done was decide a figure after the Kickstarter and gone 'Right, we're going to $25 million', and if they had hit that, they should have gone 'We're done. This is the game and with $25 million we can make it in this time.'[/FONT]
[FONT="]“But instead they just let it grow and grow and grow. I know they’ve said 'we're not adding features anymore', but the feature set they've already got is so vast and unwieldy and huge and the tech they're trying to adapt is not supporting it. If it had infinite time and infinite money and everyone working on it had infinite patience then, yeah, at the end you'd probably see something and it would be pretty cool.”[/FONT]
[h=3]If it happened then I would believe in God. -CIG source[/h][FONT="]Another source flat-out believed that Star Citizen could not be made. “Not what they've promised, absolutely not. If it happened then I would believe in God.” They added: “the biggest obstacle to finishing, if you were going to take out money and time, is the scope. They could make a smaller game. They could make a really nice dogfighting shooter in space and it would probably do really well. That's the general attitude of most people in the industry.”
[FONT="]One source, for instance, said that “there's a lot of Star Citizen that is incredibly impractical, while not a lot of it is impossible. With enough time and money and clever people, anything can be made, right? I think it suffers from the same problem that has dogged all video game development since the beginning: overscope. There's not a video game ever made that's not had stuff cut from it, or dropped, or been redesigned because it turns out it was too big.[/FONT]
[FONT="]“Star Citizen started from this small development targeted at doing this one specific thing with a specific set of technology, which was absolutely fine – and then it grew and grew. Rather than adapting to new technologies and approaches for the new scope they stayed with what they had, which slowed everything down. In the end, what they should have done was decide a figure after the Kickstarter and gone 'Right, we're going to $25 million', and if they had hit that, they should have gone 'We're done. This is the game and with $25 million we can make it in this time.'[/FONT]
[FONT="]“But instead they just let it grow and grow and grow. I know they’ve said 'we're not adding features anymore', but the feature set they've already got is so vast and unwieldy and huge and the tech they're trying to adapt is not supporting it. If it had infinite time and infinite money and everyone working on it had infinite patience then, yeah, at the end you'd probably see something and it would be pretty cool.”[/FONT]
[h=3]If it happened then I would believe in God. -CIG source[/h][FONT="]Another source flat-out believed that Star Citizen could not be made. “Not what they've promised, absolutely not. If it happened then I would believe in God.” They added: “the biggest obstacle to finishing, if you were going to take out money and time, is the scope. They could make a smaller game. They could make a really nice dogfighting shooter in space and it would probably do really well. That's the general attitude of most people in the industry.”
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Yeah, that's patently FALSE. Nice try.
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The funding chart is as credible as a Chris Roberts presentation.
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The funding chart is as credible as a Chris Roberts presentation.
^this
CMDR_Orlando
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Yes, it's TOTALLY a scam.
ps: if because they have offices around the world and 300 people so it's not a scam, I invite you to head on over to the FTC or the DOJ website to see now many multi-national corps have been shutdown FOR BEING SCAMS OR BREAKING THE LAW IN SOME FASHION!!
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Get a grip. Nobody is accusing individual devs of being scammers. The scam is the ENTIRE project that's run by the execs who are engaged in "unjust enrichment" (look that up) at the expense of backers.
In fact, I outlined specifically why I personally believe that it's a scam.
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