The Star Citizen Thread v5

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Not to mention that it's not about other people's experience because no two companies, teams, or projects are alike - it never was. It's about the ludicrousness of someone in a lead position, not knowing if a module is enabled in a build or not. That's the long and short of it. You all can try to theory-craft it away until you're Blue in the face, it still won't make one lick of sense, or any less ridiculous. Like the Star Citizen project itself.
Lead position...? As far as I know Ben's just a member of the rendering team, has he indicated before that he's a team lead or similar? Apologies if I've missed that...

If he could, in one single post, Ben can confirm or deny if in fact SM is enabled for play in the 2.6 Evocati (not their internal build). And I would be proven 100% wrong because it's NOT the sort of thing that he would flat-out lie about.
But, as we've established (over several pages by now), he's probably not allowed to do that for contractual reasons - at least, it would probably not be a wise idea for him to do so. I completely agree that the silence from CIG proper is a bit deafening - if SM is in the avocado release I'd expect them to have crowed about it by now, for sure.

You guys are hilarious. Please don't change, or things will get very boring very quickly.
At times, the feeling is distinctly mutual. :p


So.... shall I put the kettle on and we can have a nice cup of tea?
Earl Grey. Hot. :D
 
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dsmart

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OK, looks like Goons have figured out the "source" of the GIF video being bandied around as "proof" that SM is enabled in the 2.6 Evocati build of 48hrs ago.

Original GIF video posted by Hi-Ban, claiming it was from the 2.6 Evocati build, and not the hacked single-player (as per the Parias video)

ATV video stream where it was captured/exported from:

NOTE: Someone said that the Black bar at the top (in the GIF) is the ATV logo; though it may be the client score/count or something.

The End.

UPDATE: A Goon has pointed out that the GIF is not from ATV

61LcD4G.png


But appears to be from the previously leaked (via file hacking of the Evocati build) single-player SM build

iOtYEwx.png
 
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OK, looks like Goons have figured out the "source" of the GIF video being bandied around as "proof" that SM is enabled in the 2.6 Evocati build of 48hrs ago.

Original video:

[video]http://i.imgur.com/Og8f5nz.gifv[/url]

ATV stream where it was captured/exported from:

https://youtu.be/3rcWkqliP6A

NOTE: Someone said that the Black bar at the top (in the GIF) is the ATV logo; though it may be the client score/count or something.

The End.

Busted! hehehe - time index is 10:08 btw
 
In the last 6 hours there's been 53 posts in this thread. Over at r/dereksmart there's been 8 threads about this thread with over 200 individual posts.

Although is very very strange there is a bright side. If we can harness this we've just solved the energy crisis.
 

dsmart

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ps: A Goon has pointed out that the GIF is not from ATV

61LcD4G.png


But appears to be from the previously leaked (via file hacking of the Evocati build) single-player SM build

iOtYEwx.png
 
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ps: A Goon has pointed out that the GIF is not from ATV

https://i.imgur.com/61LcD4G.png

But appears to be from the previously leaked single-player SM build

https://i.imgur.com/iOtYEwx.png

So the gif has the same unfinished HUD (no red background for the name of other team) as single player SM map, but shows multiple contacts on the radar. Either it's from multiplayer SM available to avocados or the gif originates from CIG's internal build.
 
Taken from that same "evocati leaks" link:

http://imgur.com/Og8f5nz

Note that i'm not the author of the gif image, and i don't have access to PTU or Evocati builds.

Maybe you should read my posts here? Or is that somehow too easy?

The GIF is fake. SM is NOT released in 2.6. Like at all. And anyone who can even get the hack (posted previously) to work, won't be able to connect to a live instance.

This is stupid. Can't CIG just say yes it's in or no its not. It's making them look even more of a blunder than they already are.
 

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So the gif has the same unfinished HUD (no red background for the name of other team) as single player SM map, but shows multiple contacts on the radar. Either it's from multiplayer SM available to avocados or the gif originates from CIG's internal build.

Or someone took the single player giff and added some radar contacts. (not saying that's what happened, just saying it's one of the possibilities).
 
So the gif has the same unfinished HUD (no red background for the name of other team) as single player SM map, but shows multiple contacts on the radar. Either it's from multiplayer SM available to avocados or the gif originates from CIG's internal build.

Would the disquieting implication there, be that someone at CiG leaked that to try and discredit Voldsmart?...

Curiouser and curiouser said Alice!
 
This is stupid. Can't CIG just say yes it's in or no its not. It's making them look even more of a blunder than they already are.

Its not stupid. If they manage to get SM in 2.6 they will claim it as proof of competence, it will be a victory. We need to keep doubting them so they can get it right once. If we just say "You guys have dropped the ball so often, I'll see it when I see it" it would remove the 'we told the doubters!' vibe the whales desperately crave. :) CIG can fail as often as they want, as long as they occassionally do something which is doubted as well.
 

dsmart

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This is stupid. Can't CIG just say yes it's in or no its not. It's making them look even more of a blunder than they already are.

Yes it is. Completely.

NOTE: They are aware of this, due to all the Reddit and RSI forum chatter. Still, not a single peep from them. Because, you know, that's not odd at all.
 

dsmart

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As said before, we have made a claim and posted proof of it. You have made an opposite claim but didn't post any proof of it. It's your turn to post proof.

Well, now that you've been banned (I only found out on /r/ds), it doesn't matter. You posted a GIF video that has now proven to be false claims of SM being enabled in the 2.6 Evocati build pushed about 48hrs ago. You didn't provide proof of authenticity, even though the onus is on you. Instead, you keep asking people to prove a negative.
 
I just don't get why Star Marine is so important anymore. IIRC, the point of modules like Arena Commander was to progress major deliverables before a combined play area could support them. CR himself has said that the functionality of SM that is requisite for FPS play in the PU is already in the PU. Why would FPS be iterated in this separate module when it could just be iterated in the PU?

SM was relevant BEFORE FPS was playable "seamlessly" with flying ships. Now that they smash together in the PU what about SM is supposed to inform or excite me?
 

dsmart

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I just don't get why Star Marine is so important anymore. IIRC, the point of modules like Arena Commander was to progress major deliverables before a combined play area could support them. CR himself has said that the functionality of SM that is requisite for FPS play in the PU is already in the PU. Why would FPS be iterated in this separate module when it could just be iterated in the PU?

SM was relevant BEFORE FPS was playable "seamlessly" with flying ships. Now that they smash together in the PU what about SM is supposed to inform or excite me?

It's an excellent question which I covered that earlier this morning.

The SM debacle is just another part of the fiasco. The module was already deprecated over a year ago. Now imagine you're a dev working on such a module, which now needs to be brought back because it's the only tangible release for the year, seeing as SC and SQ42 were already a bust. Now you have to make that old code, work with the new code. This is where we are. There is no plausible reason for SM to be brought back, even after croberts himself went on the record saying that it was already in the PU.

So, this WHOLE year, with SC and SQ42 a bust, SM is the only thing they've got that shows any sort of tangible "progress"

So basically, 400 people with over $130+ million couldn't produce a stand-alone fps module using an engine built for an fps. Yeah.
 
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Well, now that you've been banned (I only found out on /r/ds), it doesn't matter. You posted a GIF video that has now proven to be false claims of SM being enabled in the 2.6 Evocati build pushed about 48hrs ago. You didn't provide proof of authenticity, even though the onus is on you. Instead, you keep asking people to prove a negative.

All part of his M.O.
He did the same not so long ago with the Murray Cup map breakout.
 
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