The Star Citizen Thread v5

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That 3.0 occurrence in August last year in a nutshell encapsulate one of the (many) critiques that imho are fair to field against CIG, namely the one that CR unmet/broken lofty promises or "estimates" have been a standard re occurrence since day 1 (5-6 years ago). And as such it can be considered as not being "accidental" but part of a consistent approach to predatory marketing and funding.

If this kind of broken "estimates" had happened only once or twice, and CIG had publicly apologized, I would be inclined to agree with you that it should not be a big deal.

But by now, given 150 millions, with a seriously alarming number of instances where this has repeatedly happened and where CIG´s bottom line has profited directly, I don´t think there is much room for trying to apologize for it with a straight face to be honest.

We are talking consistent re-incidence, multiple times.

It is actually quite simple, either CIG does not give a biowaste, explicitly condones this course of action and has decided to allow it, or their work processes and lessons learned systems are so incompetent and broken that they can not detect and control this kind of issues after many, several, multiple and publicly detected occurrences (not even counting here those occurrences that have not been detected). 150 million.

Neither of those scenarios suggests a serious management team on top of their business to whom I should pledge any more money.

Which is now the reason there is a release tracker on the primary website.

Lessons learned and all that.
 
Thats individuals claiming to have fun while showing a mediocre or horridly bugged tech-demo. None of these videos out there at the moment confirm any solid performance rates or show gameplay elements other then running and shooting.

Funny how he completely ignored that part of the post... mighty funny.

There's a reason people ask the folks coming here to talk about how flawlessly the game is running for them to provide proof. It's because they are claiming to be experiencing something a youtube search does not show to be true. Why waste time searching for something that doesn't seem to exist when someone right here, right now, is claiming they have seen it. The least ​they could do is show their proof.
 
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Which is now the reason there is a release tracker on the primary website.

Lessons learned and all that.

Let's be honest, there's no lesson learned in that. CIG is still in a process of making plans and schedules for the patch that was supposed to release in 2016, they had to know there's no chance to release 3.0 when they have promised to do it. It's simple, flashy videos and promises generate loads of revenue, they would have to be stupid not to use that fact to their advantage.
 
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I just thought it was funny that the same standards you claim for yourself dont count for others :D

But seeing as sarcasm isnt your strong side lets just leave this behind us :) I wouldnt want my reply to be counted as "violent" toward pro-SC people ^^

Your passive aggressive is showing.


Thats individuals claiming to have fun while showing a mediocre or horridly bugged tech-demo. None of these videos out there at the moment confirm any solid performance rates or show gameplay elements other then running and shooting. I can certainly see lots of adult men getting very very excited about nothing and I believe immediatly that these people do have fun. Again its just not "fun" as the rest of the world would understand.

In the end at least there are videos out there showcasing us stuff. Just none that would show the fun that I would expect from the descriptions given. In fact, the current youtube and twitch videos are the very BASE of the fun and mockery that exist about Star Citizen. And while verbal defense is quick to rise there is hardly any video release that would support that defense in any given way.



I m sorry....are you actually WindWpn because you answered a request aimed at HIM. The links you provide have zero relevance to the described scenario given by him. Just thought I point that out.

I can respond to any post just as easily as you can.

There are a bunch of videos out there.

Yep, some of them are used to poke fun and mockery at Star Citizen. And there a dozens of dozens more than show just the opposite, people having fun with even the buggy alpha.

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Let's be honest, there's no lesson learned in that. CIG is still in a process of making plans and schedules for the patch that was supposed to release in 2016, they had to know there's no chance to release 3.0 when they have promised to do it. It's simple, flashy videos and promises generate loads of revenue, they would have to be stupid not to use that fact to their advantage.

Hrm, lemme see, schedules, developers talking in Twitter, Facebook etc. Letting people know as much as they can.

That's a lot more than others do. And yep, the plans and schedules evolve. The end of 2016 was still only a few months ago. Is 3.0 late from when CIG targeted? Yep. Was it promised for the end of 2016, nope.
 
If their Release Tracker uses their own Netcode - it'll be at least three months late, be 50% duplicated data, 50% nonsense that the client has to chew over anyway before discarding :D
 
I just thought it was funny that the same standards you claim for yourself dont count for others :D

But seeing as sarcasm isnt your strong side lets just leave this behind us :) I wouldnt want my reply to be counted as "violent" toward pro-SC people ^^



Thats individuals claiming to have fun while showing a mediocre or horridly bugged tech-demo. None of these videos out there at the moment confirm any solid performance rates or show gameplay elements other then running and shooting. I can certainly see lots of adult men getting very very excited about nothing and I believe immediatly that these people do have fun. Again its just not "fun" as the rest of the world would understand.

In the end at least there are videos out there showcasing us stuff. Just none that would show the fun that I would expect from the descriptions given. In fact, the current youtube and twitch videos are the very BASE of the fun and mockery that exist about Star Citizen. And while verbal defense is quick to rise there is hardly any video release that would support that defense in any given way.



I m sorry....are you actually WindWpn because you answered a request aimed at HIM. The links you provide have zero relevance to the described scenario given by him. Just thought I point that out.

Yea, I will try to record next time via Twitch if I hit a similar experience. Though that is the thing, it can be unique each time... for the record, what all would you most like to see as "proof?"
1) The scenario where my ship was destroyed by someone while I was in the abandoned Covolex shipping port, and I had to commandeer another's ship to get back to Olisar?
2) Simply commandeering empty ships to experience/see how they fly and what is inside (given all I own is the Aurora LN)?
3) Flying out to Yela and doing a salvage/exploration experience in some derelict Starfarer wrecks?

Of course, also screen grabs, of the FPS counter in various areas such as Star Marine, ArcCorp, Arena Commander, and PU? Oh yea, and also experience with TrackIR as I can now use that natively in SC which is quite nice!

choice is yours...
 
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Funny how he completely ignored that part of the post... mighty funny.

There's a reason people ask the folks coming here to talk about how flawlessly the game is running for them to provide proof. It's because they are claiming to be experiencing something a youtube search does not show to be true. Why waste time searching for something that doesn't seem to exist when someone right here, right now, is claiming they have seen it. The least ​they could do is show their proof.

Where did anyone say the game was running flawlessly? I honestly didn't see anyone saying that.

I said there are plenty of people on Youtube/Twitch etc. playing Star Citizen right now and having fun doing so.
 

Viajero

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Which is now the reason there is a release tracker on the primary website.

Lessons learned and all that.

We are talking 150 millions worth of predatory marketing (or outright false advertising depending on how you want to see it) already in the bag. Are you really going to hand wave that away just like that? People put money down as pledges based on the hype following all those constant and systematic "imminent" or "soon" or "weeks not months" or "before end of the year" announcements on key content that we are still waiting on.

Plus, do you really think that a tracker that looks just a few weeks ahead and has only been used for 3rd decimal order point bug fixing releases so far (excluding possibly Star Marine) solves anything?
 
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dsmart

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Well, had quite an enjoyable experience in SC last night on the latest 2.6.3 patch! Entered the PU and took on the Covalex mission in my trusty Aurora LN. Flew out to the derelict spaceport and saw a few other ships there. Went inside via EVA and explored while finding/reading the various data pads. Eventually someone showed up and destroyed all the ships including mine, at which point I was trapped at the derelict spaceport. However, once I EVAed out to space, there was a MISC Freelancer there adrift in space. I was able to EVA into the Freelancer, brought the ship under control, and flew it back to Port Olisar where I landed, walked into the station, switched into my port clothes and went shopping. Following, I decided it was time to head out to Yela. So called up the Aurora, donned the flight suit walked out though airlock and up gantry to my ship and disembarked. Upon arrival at Yela, soon came across two derelict MISC Starfarers among the asteroid field. EVAed out of my Aurora and went exploring in and around the large ships. Explored the interiors with my suit torch light and the many corridors and rooms within the ship. Found a few datapads with some detail of past life on the ship along with some weapons in opened glowing crates. Eventually, it was time to head back to Olisar and when I exited one of the ships, there was a 300i sitting out among wreckage of the large ships. As I neared the ship, another Citizen was there, and we did the usual EVA spins, etc... but then I decided to simply enter the ship to take the helm. I entered the 300 and he followed. I took the drivers seat and flew us both back to Olisar.

The "experience" here is that SC truly has it right when it comes to "space legs." Granted its still alpha, but there is real experience there. It was fun, fulfilling, and thrilling to experience and it will be quite interesting if/when 3.0 drops and we have the complete Stanton System. If the fidelity, which currently exists around Crusader and its moons, happens, it will be really worth the large sum of crowdfunding raised!

Oh yea and performance was excellent on my session last night!

Their obvious 2.6.3 fix to the "full launch pads" bugs, created a problem (ships spawning inside other ships) being experienced by a lot of people. Seems curious that you didn't experience this. What's your secret?

[video=youtube;7mE8TdgSJo0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mE8TdgSJo0[/video]
 
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I will have to pull a screen grab next time i am up to "prove it." Stay tuned!

better yet..."stream" it so we can be sure you didnt photoshop the number in :)

I think it can be more than 30 fps if the server is nearly empty.

Aint that the offline hack tho? Which of course makes you the only single soul on the server.

Not nearly but ONLY if is it empty...as soon if is other players around is capped at maximum 30 fps........

awww damn it

No, they're revenue. There will be an expense associated with the pre-order. Income is the revenue minus that expense.

By making up new ships and selling them, they are trading revenue for engineering debt. This is NOT income.

It is to him....period :D

There are a bunch of videos out there.

Yep, some of them are used to poke fun and mockery at Star Citizen. And there a dozens of dozens more than show just the opposite, people having fun with even the buggy alpha.

Just calm down, passive agressive and all that, remember?

People were simply asking for a link to the "fun videos". You dont want to link them for whatever reaasons but rather write numerous posts instead of a one-liner containing the link in question....alls good
 
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Their obvious 2.6.3 fix to the "full launch pads" bugs, created a problem (ships spawning inside other ships) being experienced by a lot of people. Seems curious that you didn't experience this. What's your secret?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mE8TdgSJo0

So what you are saying Derek is the same bug, occurs to everyone, all the time?

Just trying to understand you here.

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Then read other posts, because you clearly missed them.


Could have been, just like some people are missing the fact that people do indeed have fun with the Star Citizen Alpha release.

Bugs and all.
 
So what you are saying Derek is the same bug, occurs to everyone, all the time?

Just trying to understand you here.

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Could have been, just like some people are missing the fact that people do indeed have fun with the Star Citizen Alpha release.

Bugs and all.

People aren't questioning whether you are having fun with the game regardless of the bugs, I can't understand why you continue to insist that is the case.
 

dsmart

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So what you are saying Derek is the same bug, occurs to everyone, all the time?

Just trying to understand you here.

Which part of my comment threw you off? I bet it was the "by a lot of people" part, wasn't it?

ps: Bugs of this nature, are part of the client/server. So yes, it CAN - and - WILL happen to everyone, given the right conditions. Why else do you think 2.6.3 became a thing that was major enough to not be pushed as 2.6.2D?
 
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Hrm, lemme see, schedules, developers talking in Twitter, Facebook etc. Letting people know as much as they can.

That's a lot more than others do. And yep, the plans and schedules evolve. The end of 2016 was still only a few months ago. Is 3.0 late from when CIG targeted? Yep. Was it promised for the end of 2016, nope.

Developers aren't talking in Twitter or Facebook, the marketing department posts some videos and concepts, because they sell the ships. August 2016, when the Gamescom was, has the value of sold ships increase since the same month last year solely on the video shown, with no accompanying release.

So what does fulfill the requirements for promise, if a CEO of a whole goddamned company on one of the biggest gaming events has personally said it's targeted for the end of the year? Is he so untrustworthy that his words mean nothing?

And if you want to talk semantics how CEO of said company saying they're aiming for end of the year release doesn't constitute a promise, would you deny they have promised to try for the end of the year release? If not, why they didn't start to create a schedule and write design documents before the end of the year? Aren't those required for "trying to release" a patch?
 
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Which part of my comment threw you off? I bet it was the "by a lot of people" part, wasn't it?

ps: Bugs of this nature, are part of the client/server. So yes, it CAN - and - WILL happen to everyone, given the right conditions. Why else do you think 2.6.3 became a thing that was major enough to not be pushed as 2.6.2D?

So you are saying exactly what I said. Its possible that the player above didn't have those issues.

Thank you for clarifying.

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Thank you for doing those searches for me. BoredGamer's video of the Buccaneer looks really smooth.

Do you have a favourite video of the new patch? Could you point me towards it?

I usually like GreyHeadedGamer's stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/user/grayheadedgamer

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Developers aren't talking in Twitter or Facebook, the marketing department posts some videos and concepts, because they sell the ships. August 2016, when the Gamescom was, has the value of sold ships increase since the same month last year solely on the video shown, with no accompanying release.

So what does fulfill the requirements for promise, if a CEO of a whole goddamned company on one of the biggest gaming events has personally said it's targeted for the end of the year? Is he so untrustworthy that his words mean nothing?

And if you want to talk semantics how CEO of said company saying they're aiming for end of the year release doesn't constitute a promise, would you deny they have promised to try for the end of the year release? If not, why they didn't start to create a schedule and write design documents before the end of the year? Aren't those required for "trying to release" a patch?


Chris Roberts clearly says "no promises". In clear English.

Do we know that they didn't have design documents for 3.0? (I honestly don't know).
 
Yea, I will try to record next time via Twitch if I hit a similar experience. Though that is the thing, it can be unique each time... for the record, what all would you most like to see as "proof?"
1) The scenario where my ship was destroyed by someone while I was in the abandoned Covolex shipping port, and I had to commandeer another's ship to get back to Olisar?
2) Simply commandeering empty ships to experience/see how they fly and what is inside (given all I own is the Aurora LN)?
3) Flying out to Yela and doing a salvage/exploration experience in some derelict Starfarer wrecks?

Of course, also screen grabs, of the FPS counter in various areas such as Star Marine, ArcCorp, Arena Commander, and PU? Oh yea, and also experience with TrackIR as I can now use that natively in SC which is quite nice!

choice is yours..

Thanks for the offer man, appreciate it.

What I would like to see is a video from start to finish without obvious interrupts showing you getting into the game, picking the mission and flying over. Whatever else you described (meeting other people, finding derelicts etc etc) is chance I get that but I would really love to see those constant 40 FPS or at least a video capture that would satisfy the use of "excellent". Anything else will be a bonus but seeing as you came across THREE derelicts and another abandoned ship in that single session expectations are high [/COLOR]:) Active chat is a must to prove that its indeed a multiplayer match :)

I d just like to repeat that I wouldnt want to see individual unconnected snippets of activities as you list them (ship blowing up SNIP going through an empty hull SNIP flying around) but an uninterrupted video stream from the moment you wake up in your cabin.

I am not very fond of screenshots. The right software and skillset can show pretty much anything as fact. The internet is full of fakes. At least when it comes to streamed videoplay the required resources to achieve the same result as in a screenshot are not available to the public and/or would cost a fortune. Nevertheless there are people out there watching these videos with a detectives eye (see past CiG trailers which have been dissected by attentive people).

As for the FPS counter, we know about 60 FPS in anything but the PU. No need about capturing old news. I d like to see proof of "excellent performance in the PU when other players are present". Thats all
 
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Developers aren't talking in Twitter or Facebook, the marketing department posts some videos and concepts, because they sell the ships. August 2016, when the Gamescom was, has the value of sold ships increase since the same month last year solely on the video shown, with no accompanying release.

So what does fulfill the requirements for promise, if a CEO of a whole goddamned company on one of the biggest gaming events has personally said it's targeted for the end of the year? Is he so untrustworthy that his words mean nothing?

And if you want to talk semantics how CEO of said company saying they're aiming for end of the year release doesn't constitute a promise, would you deny they have promised to try for the end of the year release? If not, why they didn't start to create a schedule and write design documents before the end of the year? Aren't those required for "trying to release" a patch?

I think it was very good of CIG to film the documentary of them failing to make the SQ42 demo. It turned out quite good considering. It was as if they knew they were going to fail. But that can't be right. Can it?
 
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