The Star Citizen Thread v5

[jcrg99]

Lemme get this right, so you are saying that bugs in an Alpha constitute failure? Of course an Alpha is going to have bugs. A LOT of them.

Its kinda the point of having an Alpha.

Thats why they get reported to CIG, and will eventually get resolved.

A game that should be fully released about 2.5 years ago, but instead released less than 1% of THAT scope promised for much less dollars from the public hands than they have today (they already have 24 times more dollars than that), and having this less than 1% released still broken, labeled as alpha more like to pretend progress than actually for real (since it's more like pre-alpha/tech demo status/prototype, specially when you consider what is missing to be completed) constitute FAILURE, in capital letters!

 

[1500]

Um, PLENTY of bugs get resolved.

And of course you will see more bugs today than when the first Alpha dropped. There is a lot more in the system now than there was when it was just the Hangar release (August 2013) or Dog Fighting module.

And the first dog fighting Alpha dropped in 2014. Not 5 years ago.

lol no they really don't. You have been following SC right? You see lots of the same bugs from the Hangar release today. Same for the Dog Fighting Module. LOL fine so 4 years ago.


CIG introduce more bugs and break there code far more often then they fix anything. And no you should not see more bugs now, they should be fixing bugs each patch, not adding onto of all the broke code they already have. Most of the things that CIG "fixes" is just disabling it.

 

[Dooguk]

a six year pre-alpha.
I think it's time to grow up.

Post Pre-Alpha. :S

 

[jcrg99]

It also takes the presence of a crime; thus far you've presented no facts that a crime has occurred. You yourself recently stated "Go ahead and show me one single instance where I proclaimed to have facts - about anything. Thanks."

Not sure what do you mean by "crime", but false advertising, making deceptive marketing, specially in the amount that RSI/CIG did and how much money they acquired by been deceptive is pretty much a "crime", if you mean, something that could lead fines for CIG, something enough to kill their reputation and produce a disaster for their revenue and kill the company in case consumers get together to sue them or government/consumer authorities jump in to do the same. This kind of fraudulent approach is not enough to put them on jail, certainly, but enough to kill their business and reputation forever, because you know... game industry is sensible and CIG is a company with nothing delivered to hold itself in the past or in other projects or something like that.

Of course, while they continue to give refunds to people (even that they try to make it difficult), it's hard to believe that some of these people or a group of people still would go further and make them pay what they deserve, to avoid other consumers to be defrauded. This is not what gamers, this kind of consumer is used to do when deceived by false advertising/deceptive claims. So, only authorities I guess, could jump into this to stop this madness. But, that sounds something hard to happen too, because games are definitely not the priority for government authorities when the matter is consumer frauds. Roberts and co know that as we know, and that's why he continues to act without limits, false advertising, been deceptive without any fear (because its obviously more profitable in the short term), hoping that later, doing what Derek Smart said a few posts ago (leaving/disappearing slowly) he can escape of any trouble, and made more money than he possibly could this way, more money even if he had released the perfect Star Citizen dream, platform specific - for uber-machines only.

 

[Stigbob]

It also takes the presence of a crime; thus far you've presented no facts that a crime has occurred. You yourself recently stated "Go ahead and show me one single instance where I proclaimed to have facts - about anything. Thanks."

The thing about scams is the people involved generally attempt to conceal what they're really doing.

 

[Dooguk]

The thing about scams is the people involved generally attempt to conceal what they're really doing.

It's only a scam if Roberts says it is.

 

[1500]

It's only a scam if Roberts says it is.

We it could be a scam, after all CR never said he "promised" not to scam people.

 

[Herbrand]

Anyone straight-up claiming it's a scam in front of all evidence of the contrary is simply deluded. But hey, who am I to tell you who to listen to.

 

[jcrg99]

It's only a scam if Roberts says it is.

Roberts refactored the concept of scam, defrauding consumers, unjustified enrichment just as he did with the concepts of "Feature Creep", "Pay-To-Win" and others.

 

[dsmart]

The thing about scams is the people involved generally attempt to conceal what they're really doing.

But the premise that you have to have committed a crime - before State|Fed officials come investigating, is hilarious on so many levels. I wonder if he thinks the FTC (for example) go investigating all those companies they sue, shutdown etc because that's what they do. No, it's not what they do. They rely on reports, whistleblowers etc - then (as I read in an article from awhile back), they determine which incidents need investigation depending on priority, severity, and whether they are of the "public interest". Then the "preliminary" investigation starts; and if nothing is found, they close the file. If they find "probable cause" to continue, they do. That's when lawsuits and such happen. In fact, that's also how State officials do it. The latest being the Lily drone fiasco which I wrote about weeks ago. That, like the other crowd-funding fiascos (e.g. in Washington State etc), all started from reports being filed by individuals.

Further reading:

If the FTC comes to call

FTC - What we do

 

[AJW]

Anyone straight-up claiming it's a scam in front of all evidence of the contrary is simply deluded. But hey, who am I to tell you who to listen to.

So CIG have published their accounts? Where?

 

[Ian Skippy]

Anyone straight-up claiming it's a scam in front of all evidence of the contrary is simply deluded. But hey, who am I to tell you who to listen to.

Again, that is not how normal people have a discussion. Saying 'you are a Loser' and 'if you dont agree with me you are deluded' is just weak. Please either use logic, facts and arguments or take your insults to reddit.

 

[jcrg99]

Anyone straight-up claiming it's NOT a scam in front of all evidence is simply deluded. But hey, who am I to tell you who to listen to.

Fixed.

 

[Stigbob]

Anyone straight-up claiming it's a scam in front of all evidence of the contrary is simply deluded. But hey, who am I to tell you who to listen to.

The best way to evidence a total lack of scam would be delivery in full and on time..........and unfortunately that ships already janked off into the void and exploded.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

It's only a scam if Roberts says it is.

 

[Tippis]

Anyone straight-up claiming it's a scam in front of all evidence of the contrary is simply deluded. But hey, who am I to tell you who to listen to.

What evidence?

 

[1500]

What I find amazing is that people have reverted to 8 year old's and unless CIG/CR has done a pinky swear CIG/CR can't be held to their word.

 

[Herbrand]

Again, that is not how normal people have a discussion. Saying 'you are a Loser' and 'if you dont agree with me you are deluded' is just weak. Please either use logic, facts and arguments or take your insults to reddit.

I feel silly even after having to point it out. A scammer hiring hundreds of people across the globe, paying their salaries and working on the game they are developing with visible, regular feedback of their development process is a terrible scammer.

 

[Cotic]

Anyone straight-up claiming it's a scam in front of all evidence of the contrary is simply deluded. But hey, who am I to tell you who to listen to.

I wouldn't call Star Citizen/SQ42 a scam when looking at the project as a whole, however I would call certain aspects of it scammy.
The ship selling in general, the redesigns to sell old stuff as new, the walking back on things like LTI, 3.0 for December of last year is a prime example, a date that was pulled from thin air to give a far more positive impression of the project than the reality, an impression that was also used to sell a huge amount of virtual spaceships from August - December, almost 8 million dollars worth iirc.

 

[1500]

I feel silly even after having to point it out. A scammer hiring hundreds of people across the globe, paying their salaries and working on the game they are developing with visible, regular feedback of their development process is a terrible scammer.

Not at all, he has been paid missions for it. Seems to have worked out great for him, and the family members he hired and payed them millions over the years.

And what progress? The broken tech demo they pushed out?

You don't seem to understand what a scam is. History is filled with people and companies that scammed others all while employing people and pretending to show progress.