CR said 'hopefully', so everything he says around that words was honest, sincere and not up for debate.
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CR said 'hopefully', so everything he says around that words was honest, sincere and not up for debate.
No, he is an incompetent project manager and a nepotistic bingleweed. There is no evil genius at work here. He does keep lying about his incompetence to get more money to keep the wreck floating a bit longer, but thats not being a genius.
Almighty Bob
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Azir, I typed it because it made me smile as I did it, I hoped it might amuse you guys also.
Bingleweed ( I forgot about bingleweed hopefully I used it correctly)
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Fair enough, it did lead me down the thought process of declaring SC the homeopathy of video games, so your contribution to comedy is noted and approved.
Of course. They are different types of games. My point was that while SC promised planets and moons, now they're apparently going for putting planetoids in the PU "level" - something that both ED and now Everspace have done. So the only current/upcoming space/planetary combat games with full blown planets/moons, are Dual Universe and Infinity Battlespace. Neither of which had $150 million to blow on rubbish.
Fritz
I am no super fan of SC but I do hope they make it in the end. I am 'friends' with people on discord who have spent hundreds of dollars, they seem happy so good for them. I have a basic package.
There seem to be two basic conflicting theories for those who are negative of the project.
1. CR is a criminal and is taking all this money illegally. ( If this is true then he is a true evil genius, as it is fraud on a huge scale. I do not believe that, but if it is and if he gets away with it I would be secretly impressed by his brilliance
2. He is an incompetent who is out of his depth.
Its difficult to see how anyone could be that incompetent and an evil genius at the same time. Do you think it is?
I have my own theory but I like to keep things brief.
For the record, I still don't think/believe that he's a criminal; nor do I believe that he set out to mislead/fool anyone.
So true. But here's the thing. As I wrote last week, he's doing the same thing that devs (we've all done it at some point, yours truly included) from back in the day, were doing to publishers. Except that this time, the backers (being the publishers), are on the receiving end. It's not criminal (I don't think he's that - at all), but it just causes all the problems/dissent we're seeing now.
The other flipside is that when a publisher is involved, and they're funding a project, you're not just going to be chopping stuff out because you feel like it. That would change the project that was pitched and funded, and publishers hate that. Which is why projects close to completion were either scuttled or just chopped up and shipped without any marketing - just to get some of the money back.
CR said 'hopefully', so everything he says around that words was honest, sincere and not up for debate.
I dunno.
Saying that "hopefully" 3.0 will be out in December 2016 then following up with a statement in 2017 that they were still planning 3.0 isn't a great look.
This tends to imply incompetence, dishonesty or both, especially as this is the most open software development project ever.
Oh man, I also find this extremely problematic.
What the hell is CIG doing when they have 400-odd employees but are still outsourcing map development? And, to amplify this, have outsourced to a 3rd party who has been free to move those people onto another project?
That's multi-level insanity. Firstly they should really be doing this in-house. Secondly they should have the 3rd party devs under contract until the work is done.......
Unless, maybe, the whole thing overshot by so much that Behaviour had to pull them to cover other work they had scheduled. In this case CIG are doubly screwed as they'll have to have messed up the time & cost budgets completely as well as not getting their work completed.
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It's at time like this I need a "head banging against wall" emoticon. Mods?
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I'm aware of Asp's background and experience in building servers and workstations (he knows his stuff). - it was a lighthearted dig.
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Although CIG may start to mislead people while trying to keep the show on the road and end up being criminally liable for that...
You've accused his company of criminal activities on multiple occasions; now you're saying you don't think he's a criminal.
Not seeing a lot of consistency there...
1. CR is a criminal and is taking all this money illegally. ( If this is true then he is a true evil genius, as it is fraud on a huge scale and if he gets away with it I would be secretly impressed by his brilliance
2. He is an incompetent who is out of his depth.
Being a criminal genius would require pre-planning on a scale that is hard to imagine. Seeing all the instances where Chris Roberts put his foot into his mouth makes me doubt that. He probably has a certain degree of competence but obviously is completely out of his league on this project and not man enough to admit it. As for his continuous collecting of money this is rather easy to pin down. You wouldnt grant the drug dealer providing stuff to all the addicts a genius mind either would you? IMO Chris Roberts simply stumbled into a gold mine without intending to. I believe he was honestly surprised at his own success in the kickstarter and things kinda went from there. From the get go he was more concerned with demonstrating a show of capacity and strength rather then picking up his debt and working on the game in earnest. Proof for this is the utter lack of progression in the early years because building 20+ companies was more important somehow yet the addicts see it as a positive thing. From the very first interviews I watched I had the immediate impression that hes a man who hides something because he talks a LOT without actually saying anything substantial. Its like watching a politician tip-toeing around a topic that could mean his career suicide. So even when he blatantly says wrong things or shows that he lacks fundamental knowledge about physics or programming he refuses to admit his own shortcoming. Its always other peoples fault and his fanatics pick this exact behavior up and enforce it (whatever he says is right, he cannot be mistaken)
Its why providing logic doesnt help at all. It also doesnt with drugs. Or worse....people using it KNOW its bad and should be avoided but they cannot help themselves.
The whole topic wouldnt be a problem really. Chris Roberts is mainly preaching to his sect anyway, doing what the whales consider important, catering to the whales needs and pushing the project in whatever direction will drain yet more money from these very people. The main reason why Star Citizen after 5 years lacks a foundation and resembles a jigsaw puzzle with a lot of pieces but none of em want to match. So basically its a closed loop. Of course CiG hopes for the occasional sucker to be pulled into the scam but they are not dependant on it because if they were they had to deliver quality and fast. This model works because people desperately want it to work. It doesnt take a lot of effort and master planning on CRs behalf and even tho he messes up things often enough the "need" weighs more.
Please...by all means..share your own theory. People are not afraid of long posts else they would ve chased me away a long time ago
Posts from the subreddit are not facts.....
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MTBFritz
Do you think that Chris Roberts is a criminal? ( please keep it as brief as you are able) I quote you here ----"Of course CiG hopes for the occasional sucker to be pulled into the scam"
DSmart says today that he does not think he is, but I have not reviewed his other comments that Thorn mentions above
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Ya know, I love the shade cast by the banhammer hanging over this thread, perfect for a hot summer.
I "hope" hes simply incompetent in a way that would explain all the things CiG does. If a court eventually finds him guilty of running a ponzi scheme after reviewing all the facts that we dont have access to I wont be surprised
edit: feel free to send me a private message if you want to conduct a chatter and exchange of informations that wont get us both banned
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Originally Posted by dsmart(Source)
For the record, I still don't think/believe that he's a criminal; nor do I believe that he set out to mislead/fool anyone.
Although CIG may start to mislead people while trying to keep the show on the road and end up being criminally liable for that...
Right. Hence the strategically placed "set out to" part of my comment.
Almighty Bob
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I "hope" hes simply incompetent in a way that would explain all the things CiG does. If a court eventually finds him guilty of running a ponzi scheme after reviewing all the facts that we dont have access to I wont be surprised
None committal then or as I would be aware of libel laws in different countries.
dsmart Clarifys above that he still does not think that he's a criminal.
ANYONE ELSE THINK THAT CHRIS ROBERTS IS A CRIMINAL AT THIS POINT IN THE SC DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE?
I ask this so that I can understand the incompetence / criminal arguments that I read here.
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Exactly. It's not like he decided to up and start up an outright scam. No doubt they are working on the project. Only, just as much as Madoff and his gang were moving investments around to keep robbing Peter to pay Paul. Until they didn't have enough to give Paul, when Peter's well dried up. Then came the crash.
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