The Star Citizen Thread v5
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I don't know where you got that from, but I tell you - with certainty - that's rubbish. All of it.
Actually no, that's not how math works. Aside from the fact that you can't even begin to claim that 500K number is correct; nor without accounting for duplicate accounts etc.
ps: My Irreconcilable Differences blog has some better analysis.
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Pretty much. This seems to be a debate between the “CIG's numbers are cow manure” standpoint versus the “CIG's numbers are cow manure, and also untrustworthy” standpoint. It doesn't strike me as an entirely constructive line of discussion.
No, the discussion was about how much money CIG earns from backers based on the information given in the Turbulent letter. You are trying to make it about something entirely different, ie lies and falsities and all that other inane nonsense.
You can claim it is pointless, and in many ways it is because it is all alleged, but your argument is no less pointless. As Zetta said you do not hold any concrete proof that they don't have 500,000+ paying backers and yet because they inflated their accounts number you claim lies, proof and all the usual, which is irrelevant to the topic of discussion.
Ranting ranter is ranting....
Zetta did not say there is no proof that they lied, all he or she said was that there is not enough proof for them to feel comfortable to call them liars.
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Defintely, it's one thing to flat out state that something is a lie and another to say it looks like a lie but there is not enough proof to be 100% certain.
I agree. This is the problem with this whole thing. CIG hasn't even see it fit to account to the very backers the accuracy of their fundraising, let alone the backer count. So everyone is left to speculation, data scrubbing etc. Because you know, that's how "open development" works.
And the only way that backers are every going to get to the truth and accuracy, is via a lawsuit (either private or by State/Fed officials).
True. And you could just take out the stress from the equation, and just assume that it's all a lie.
True. And you could just take out the stress from the equation, and just assume that it's all a lie.
That was funny, I laughed out loud.
Drunks of Sol approve!
Unfortunately, I've got about 8 hours to go before a refreshing maintenance spray or two
It'll be interesting to see how SC performs - from what he's said his machine will make mine look like a ZX Spectrum.
Wheee looking forward to your report then. Will your friend be a total newbie to SC or did he play it before on an older rig and just wants to get up to speed? Any chance of a stream capture?
From a theoretical point of view there is never 100% certainty. If I were to tell you my name is Bob, whereas it factually is not, you cannot know for certain if I was lying. After all, there is always the remote chance that for a brief moment I was under the delusion I actually was a man named Bob.
I have to agree. After a point it gets ridiculous.
@ Cotic
Seriously don't waste any more of your time. The only thing jcrg99 has proven is that he would argue with himself in a mirror.... some people just love the sound of their own voice.
I'd bet that the counter is completely fake.
Do you think the reported developer numbers are faked, too? If not, where does CIG get all that money to pay them?
Hey look, Aliens on planet surface near Maia! Let's stop fussing and go see!
No there is NO actual proof of anything.....You can said that CRoberts is clown,liar,gamester,you can even call him a "thief"&"scammer"(I personally call him many things
... )but one thing's for sure he ain't that stupid to leave his fingerprints all over on"murder weapon"....+@Zeta just pointied on "alleged"numbers that are presented for the public nothing more,nothing less....you from the other side making an projections in your head and trying to convince her&all of us that "Earth is Flat"because you said so....
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I don't think, but they certainly don't need $150M just for developers
Dunno, I would imagine that developer salaries are the biggest expense in the software development.
See on the one hand I'd agree with you when simply looking at the very low perceived active userbase.
On the other hand hand... their reddit has an average monthly sub growth of ~2750.
Even if you'd consider a conversion rate of 25% that'd still put them at exactly 11k monthly accounts, and honestly... 25% player-to-reddit conversion rate would be incredibly high for a game.
Elite's is closer to 5%, LoL and Overwatch are roughly 3%, R6 Siege and CSGO are closer to 2%
As incredulous as it is to believe that people are still throwing money at what a bunch of us perceive as a trainwreck of a project... they do some good marketing and new players will not have the same history as long term backers might not be scared off (yet) by the negativity some in here feel towards CIG.
The funding tracker is a different matter altogether, but someone here brought up the valid point that they would've most likely gone out of bussiness a couple months ago if that cash flow wasn't at least mostly accurate.
At the end of the day if you look at how easily a game like Ashes of Creation accrues multiple millions worth of kickstarter money and tens of thousands of fans by doing exactly the same as CR (promising any nerd's wet dream with no regard for technological feasibility or professional experience)... I think it's actually safer to just bet on the peerless depths of human stupidity than on outright lies :T
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