The Star Citizen Thread v5

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Well those high quality pictures are looking even more impressive, let's see if those updates really do materialize into something playable before the end of the year.
Is it just me or that last picture looks a lot like Sir.Davos from Game of Thrones?

Yes, Liam Cunningham is in Sq42.
 
Well those high quality pictures are looking even more impressive, let's see if those updates really do materialize into something playable before the end of the year.
Is it just me or that last picture looks a lot like Sir.Davos from Game of Thrones?

That might be a good spot. I thought initially it was Bernard Hill, but that would mean even more cash on expensive mo-cap actors so doubtful?
 
Well those high quality pictures are looking even more impressive, let's see if those updates really do materialize into something playable before the end of the year.
Is it just me or that last picture looks a lot like Sir.Davos from Game of Thrones?

Because it is. It's Liam Cunningham, he plays Captain Noah White in SQ42.
 
... SC on the other hand will remain a perpetual pre alpha demo for as longs as the backers are willing to fund it.

Well their income stream depends on this state of eternal development. CIG said that ship sales will stop once the game is launched which means that they have absolutely no incentive to ever finish the game. They must realise that they are not going to sell millions of copies of SC, surely most of the potential customer base have already bought in advance.

I don't really know why they need a constantly open money tap though, given that they said they had enough money to finish the game back at 20 million. And then they said the same again at 65 million - so they have had almost twice as much as they said they would ever need, but they still want more. Maybe they are just plain greedy.

As long as the faithful are willing to be milked regularly with these endless sales they will carry on.

Everything which can be monetised is, has been and will be. For example -

Forum access
Ships
jpeg concepts of possible future ships (IOUs)
cheap ships and concepts IOUs to use as LTI tokens
paint jobs (skins)
Weapons
Ammunition (come on Sandi this is a no-brainer)
Clothing (space shoe-shopping!)

In the future - space real estate, apartments and houses, space furniture, carpets, posters, lamps and other ornaments. Actually the last few are already purchasable for your (purchasable) hangar.

Repeating myself here to call the BDSSE - the Best Darn Shopping Simulator Ever :rolleyes:

More time and effort seems to go into monetising, and the 'shopping experience' than ever goes into developing gameplay.

If and when the faithful get to the point of not buying any more, then whatever state the game is in will be declared the Minimum Viable Product (MVP) and CIG will shut up shop and go for a nice long cruise.
 
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Well their income stream depends on this state of eternal development. CIG said that ship sales will stop once the game is launched which means that they have absolutely no incentive to ever finish the game. They must realise that they are not going to sell millions of copies of SC, surely most of the potential customer base have already bought in advance.

I don't really know why they need a constantly open money tap though, given that they said they had enough money to finish the game back at 20 million. And then they said the same again at 65 million - so they have had almost twice as much as they said they would ever need, but they still want more. Maybe they are just plain greedy.

If and when the faithful get to the point of not buying any more, then the whatever state the game is in will be declared the Minimum Viable Product (MVP) and CIG will shut up shop and go for a nice long cruise.
Given their track record regarding policies and promises, what makes you so certain they wouldn't continue to sell ships after release?
They don't seem overly concerned over alienating their consumer base.
 
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Everything which can be monetised is, has been and will be. For example -

Forum access
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They are charging for forum access? Really? I can't for the life of me understand why any game developer would do that. It makes no sense whatsoever if you are trying to attract new customers. Bizarre...
 
That "more seamless than Elite Dangerous" stuff is a little bit hyperbole if it isn't available for download and usable with full multi-player support and game logic. Otherwise it's as pointless as saying Frontier Elite 2 is more "seamless" than Elite Dangerous or any other PG tech demo of which there are numerous seamless examples that have little to do with working games with multi-player support. Not to mention ED has very seamless transitions but doesn't use them in favor of dropping players between multiples of light speed and orbital speeds.

More screenshots and upcoming super patches to get everyone excited. My guess we'll see many many concept sales and work in progress videos before any of it is available to download in any way shape or form but here comes the backers cash! Also, yes - why doesn't any of this information go out to backers first? They pledged to treat us the same as a publisher didn't they?
 
They are charging for forum access? Really? I can't for the life of me understand why any game developer would do that. It makes no sense whatsoever if you are trying to attract new customers. Bizarre...
New users can still post in the new users section. Other areas are either read-only or not viewable (such as the ship feedback areas and off-topic locations).

I believe it was done to curve trolling more than anything. For a while the forums had an issue where brand new accounts with no game access were making lots of [concern] posts or attempting to flame-bait backers.
 
2.6 will launch Star Marine
Interesting...

2.7 will bring procedural planets and you will be able to travel the whole stanton system and all planets and moons can be directly approached down to the surface.
If this is true is a big jump in content... and tech. I wasn't expecting the whole system until later.

  • They were also impressed with the cloud system, which wasn't just a simple texture layer but seemingly is described what I assume would be volumetric, i.e. they have deepth and height and impact visibility, leading to mountain crests piercing through clouds and valleys being covered.
Although this seems to be pretty impressive... this cloud system if it works with particles it may kill the fps of some GPUs.
 
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New users can still post in the new users section. Other areas are either read-only or not viewable (such as the ship feedback areas and off-topic locations).

I believe it was done to curve trolling more than anything. For a while the forums had an issue where brand new accounts with no game access were making lots of [concern] posts or attempting to flame-bait backers.

That makes a bit more sense.
 
So how does making parts of the forum readable only for backers fit into all this? I'm not talking about some super secret Concierge subforums, the entire offtop section is behind a paywall, as are ships subforums, which contain the fair amount of criticism of the primary part of CIG's revenue stream.
 
That "more seamless than Elite Dangerous" stuff is a little bit hyperbole if it isn't available for download and usable with full multi-player support and game logic. Otherwise it's as pointless as saying Frontier Elite 2 is more "seamless" than Elite Dangerous or any other PG tech demo of which there are numerous seamless examples that have little to do with working games with multi-player support. Not to mention ED has very seamless transitions but doesn't use them in favor of dropping players between multiples of light speed and orbital speeds.

More screenshots and upcoming super patches to get everyone excited. My guess we'll see many many concept sales and work in progress videos before any of it is available to download in any way shape or form but here comes the backers cash! Also, yes - why doesn't any of this information go out to backers first? They pledged to treat us the same as a publisher didn't they?

I have to agree. It's also like the 45 fps comment, it means nothing given how poor things run at the moment in a multiplayer scenario.

Personally I like the way Elite does the transitioning from supercruise to planetary landing, each step feels appropriate and logical. It'll be interesting to see how it's handled in SC, what effects will be used to show the change from QD to atmospheric entry etc.
 
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So how does making parts of the forum readable only for backers fit into all this? I'm not talking about some super secret Concierge subforums, the entire offtop section is behind a paywall, as are ships subforums, which contain the fair amount of criticism of the primary part of CIG's revenue stream.
Which part do you say is behind a paywall? The offtopic ? o_O
 
New users can still post in the new users section. Other areas are either read-only or not viewable (such as the ship feedback areas and off-topic locations).

I believe it was done to curve trolling more than anything. For a while the forums had an issue where brand new accounts with no game access were making lots of [concern] posts or attempting to flame-bait backers.
aren't they alienating new backers with this?
Like some poor guy might have concerns that needs to be addressed before he is willing to back the game.

Also i find it weird that there is a whole section in forum for concerns and nobody from development team responds to them. For example look at how actively Frontier handles concerns in the forums. Especially in beta forums.
It doesn't mean they will always address the issue, but it means that they at least explain why they are doing things in certain way.
 
Yup, both ship subforums and off-topic on RSI aren't accesible without paying for the game. I have just noticed 303i said that, too, a few moments ago.
But not for backers, backers can access(post and read) every one of those.

And why is bad that only backers have access to some parts of the forums?
 
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So how does making parts of the forum readable only for backers fit into all this? I'm not talking about some super secret Concierge subforums, the entire offtop section is behind a paywall, as are ships subforums, which contain the fair amount of criticism of the primary part of CIG's revenue stream.

I think the ships subforum is hidden so it doesn't overwhelm new users with too much information. A 100 page thread about the Vanguard's modelling work or the 300i series silly bed doesn't really assist a new player's purchasing decision (which is out of two starter packages), nor does it provide useful criticism of CIG's revenue stream.

Off-topic was likely hidden since (at the time) there was a *lot* of flaming going on, which would look bad to the random outsider. Even the Elite thread was in a sorry state of "look at this image of elite and say how much better elite is than SC" instead of any actual discussion. A certain external drama source was also commonly linking to threads in off-topic, which likely influenced their decision.
 
But not for backers, backers can access(post and read) every one of those.

And why is bad that only backers have access to some parts of the forums?

It makes people think the developers want to hide dissenting views (off-topic with its threads about other games, including CIG's competition) or the criticism of the main revenue stream (ships in the case of RSI, some things aren't obvious, for example the lack of progress on Banu MM or the sorry state of Cutlass).

I think the ships subforum is hidden so it doesn't overwhelm new users with too much information. A 100 page thread about the Vanguard's modelling work or the 300i series silly bed doesn't really assist a new player's purchasing decision (which is out of two starter packages), nor does it provide useful criticism of CIG's revenue stream.

Off-topic was likely hidden since (at the time) there was a *lot* of flaming going on, which would look bad to the random outsider. Even the Elite thread was in a sorry state of "look at this image of elite and say how much better elite is than SC" instead of any actual discussion. A certain external drama source was also commonly linking to threads in off-topic, which likely influenced their decision.

Nope, Elite's thread was full of quite measured discussion about the game with condensed game news. Of course it was a Katamari, so sometimes the threads with harsh, tribal-like criticism of Elite's, saying how SC is going to be so awesome and so on were merged with it. Hell, it was my main source of the Elite news before the forum was hidden behind a paywall.
 
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Aye things like forums for backers only aren't really the boogeyman. Brett C has said they are looking to link these forums to your FDev account.

Non-payers will not necessarily be barred, but they will be easily identifiable. I think Brett said that they might try and go as granular as only Beta-entitled accounts would be able to post in Beta forums, although they would be open for all to read.

The timescale for those changes is a bit CiG though :p
 
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