The Star Citizen Thread v5

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jcrg99

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CMDR_Orlando said:
You should look up "Estimates" on the dictionary, that's what every project ...
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Software Development Estimates is much more than the simple meaning of the word in a dictionary.

If you don't know that, don't worry. After the third time that you got fired or your company lost a contract maybe you will start to learn.

Remember. I was talking about competence. Don't lose the context.

That been said, I am sure that Roberts know how to estimate properly. I know that he is not that incompetent as he appears to be.

Better the fame of incompentent but richer, than a scammer full of lawsuits and authorities in his shoulders.
 
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CMDR_Orlando

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tooterfish said:
Like people have said, whatever makes you happy.

But it's neither of those highlighted things. You're not a part of the project, you bought a product. You're a consumer, nothing more... You weren't chosen, you have zero input, and the only requirements you met were giving CIG your credit card details.

Unless you're saying you're employed by Roberts in some capacity?
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Yes I am part of the project, everyone is from the time they back it they are integral part of it. You are backing a concept/idea that could not get funding/be made by the traditional way, not buying a product, that's the definition of crowdfunding.

It was my choice to give them money because I liked the concept, I choose to test and report bugs by playing in the PTU because I like to help, I like giving feedback, I like contacting directly with devs and giving input. That's not being a consumer, that's being a backer.

jcrg99 said:
Software Development Estimates is much more than the simple meaning of the word in a dictionary.

If you don't know that, don't worry. After the third time that you got fired or your company lost a contract maybe you will start to learn.

Remember. I was talking about competence. Don't lose the context.
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The context is never lost because it's allways the same coming from the same people, ad-nauseum.

PS- Software Development ≠ Video-Game Development

If you don't know that... well that's the whole point.
 
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CMDR_Orlando said:
Yes I am part of the project, everyone is from the time they back it they are integral part of it. You are backing a concept/idea that could not get funding/be made by the traditional way, not buying a product, that's the definition of crowdfunding.

It was my choice to give them money because I liked the concept, I choose to test and report bugs by playing in the PTU because I like to help, I like giving feedback, I like contacting directly with devs and giving input. That's not being a consumer, that's being a backer.



The context is never lost because it's allways the same coming from the same people, ad-nauseum.
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We are all consumers. You just explained what is a fanboy, not a backer. That is not the definition of crowdfunding.

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CMDR_Orlando said:
PS- Software Development ≠ Video-Game Development
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No. Video-game is a software.
 
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jcrg99 said:
We are all consumers. You just explained what is a fanboy, not a backer. That is not the definition of crowdfunding.

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No. Video-game is a software.
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Derp...

Did you spend money on something you did not understand?

Having a consumer mindset going into a crowd funding venture will leave you disappointed almost everytime.... you are not a consumer because your money is going to an idea/concept not a finished product....
 

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you are not a consumer because your money is going to an idea/concept not a finished product....
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That means if I pay a company to build a system for me, to support my business, I am not its consumer. That means that if I pay an engineer to build a home to me, I am not his consumer. Meh!
You should revisit the SC advertising itself. Its pretty clear there that you are a consumer. RSI called you that! Its also pretty clear that you were promissed a finished product with promissed features, virtual and real.
 
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Given that they give you access to a product (how ever rubbish) if you pay them for it. I'd say that makes you a customer/consumer...
 

LeSabre

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Pharaelga said:
Derp...

Did you spend money on something you did not understand?

Having a consumer mindset going into a crowd funding venture will leave you disappointed almost everytime.... you are not a consumer because your money is going to an idea/concept not a finished product....
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That's a bit odd as in my CIG account I have a list of all the things CIG attribute to my account for purchasing a package during the initial pitch.

I bought the game by giving them money to make the game. I did not 'donate' my money to an idea, I sent a company money so that they would send me their product.

You are an idiot.
 

Pharaelga

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Paying for Goods or services makes you a consumer. Paying for ideas/concepts with no real guarantee/contract that you will see that product or receive services makes you more like an investor in the sense that your return could be the game you want....

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That's a bit odd as in my CIG account I have a list of all the things CIG attribute to my account for purchasing a package during the initial pitch.

I bought the game by giving them money to make the game. I did not 'donate' my money to an idea, I sent a company money so that they would send me their product.

You are an idiot.
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What?

Just because I looked at my contribution to the project as more of a donation does not make me an idiot. Grounded expectations are the reason I'm not spouting any hate what so ever towards the SC project.

I really enjoyed the alpha.
 

LeSabre

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Pharaelga said:
Paying for Goods or services makes you a consumer. Paying for ideas/concepts with no real guarantee/contract that you will see that product or receive services makes you more like an investor in the sense that your return could be the game you want....

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What?

Just because I looked at my contribution to the project as more of a donation does not make me an idiot. Grounded expectations are the reason I'm not spouting any hate what so ever towards the SC project.

I really enjoyed the alpha.
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I'm pretty sure people were paying for goods/services when they clicked the "purchase" button on any saleable item from CIG. They pitched and sold a game, not an idea. I'm also pretty sure if CIG turned around right now and said "sorry folks, you didn't buy a game, you were just buying an idea" they would get dragged into court very, very quickly by the elastic of their collective underpants.

If you throw money at any company that is collecting money to specifically fund a project that entitles you to the finished product, then assume they owe you nothing and try to convince others of the same, then you are definitely an idiot.
 

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It's just like playing a lottery.
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Not really. After funded, the project must to deliver or can face legal consequences. Lotteries are totally ok on not delivering you the win.
 
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LeSabre

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Pharaelga said:
Paying for Goods or services makes you a consumer. Paying for ideas/concepts with no real guarantee/contract that you will see that product or receive services makes you more like an investor in the sense that your return could be the game you want....

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What?

Just because I looked at my contribution to the project as more of a donation does not make me an idiot. Grounded expectations are the reason I'm not spouting any hate what so ever towards the SC project.

I really enjoyed the alpha.
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Right, so now you've gone from "you are not a consumer because your money is going to an idea/concept not a finished product...." to "oh, I didn't mean anyone but myself".

Nice back tracking.

If you buy something being sold, then no matter how you view yourself, you are in fact, A CONSUMER.
 
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Pharaelga said:
Paying for Goods or services makes you a consumer. Paying for ideas/concepts with no real guarantee/contract that you will see that product or receive services makes you more like an investor in the sense that your return could be the game you want....
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What?

Just because I looked at my contribution to the project as more of a donation does not make me an idiot. Grounded expectations are the reason I'm not spouting any hate what so ever towards the SC project.

I really enjoyed the alpha.
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what you are describing is a scam or donation. If you added that the other side promises to deliver something it rules out the donation option.

investors usually do their due diligence
 

HUSKER222

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aside from real money ships in star citizen at this point i do not see how anyone could hate on star citizen. It's exactly what Elite Dangerous keeps saying they're going to be. With one exception.... Star Citizen is pretty much already that. Elite Dangerous is so un finished and the grind is just out of this world (no pun intended) Sure, Star Citizen right now is pretty much the same missions over and over again but planet landings in december ish with atmosphere and people to liven it up. Real money ships i feel is the only down side to star citizen. but theyve began to implement in game currency and are upon release will be removing real money ships from the market and everything in game currency.
all and all star citizen is making some progress and i think some people should take another look at star citizen before acting like its wrong to try it because they feel like they're cheating on elite dangerous.
 

Pharaelga

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LeSabre said:
I'm pretty sure people were paying for goods/services when they clicked the "purchase" button on any saleable item from CIG. They pitched and sold a game, not an idea. I'm also pretty sure if CIG turned around right now and said "sorry folks, you didn't buy a game, you were just buying an idea" they would get dragged into court very, very quickly by the elastic of their collective underpants.

If you throw money at any company that is collecting money to specifically fund a project that entitles you to the finished product, then assume they owe you nothing and try to convince others of the same, then you are definitely an idiot.
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I could care less what you do with your money. You used money to back something that isn't complete and still in concept phase and you are getting        that it didn't meet YOUR expectations/reality....

The project could crash and burn for all I care. $45 is a drop in the bucket to me and the fact I can play the alpha is a bonus for me.

I've already put more hours into the alpha than Elite sooo.....
 
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