The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Ian Skippy]

If you even think for a second that anyone within those studios would keep quiet about a scam this big you may need to take a healthy dose of Olanzapine to cure those voices.

Big corporaties scamming people for years while keeping quiet about it? Totally unheard of! I dont know what is going on, but at least keep things rational.

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Excuse me, but where did you get the idea anybody here takes Star Citizen for a scam?

I think from the posts in this very topic. Have you read a single post from DS?

 

[ianw]

Excuse me, but where did you get the idea anybody here takes Star Citizen for a scam?

Indeed - most people have gone out of their way to say it isn't a scam - except when used for comedy purposes of course.

There are lots of other negative things to dwell on in any case.

 

[BurnyBurns]

I think from the posts in this very topic. Have you read a single post from DS?

Yeeeeees...? You mean the posts where he refers to the 3.0 demo as manufactured? Which don't imply Star Citizen as a project is a scam?

It would be helpful, if you are specific about the posts you refer and cite them rather then just throw accusations into the round, right briguy168?

 

[hairychris]

Man you all need to get your heads examined. This is some Illuminati level conspiracy bull     being posted. I mean I feel like I've been reading rants from this guy:

If you even think for a second that anyone within those studios would keep quiet about a scam this big you may need to take a healthy dose of Olanzapine to cure those voices. I mean Jesus, can we have some conversation that doesn't boarder on schizophrenic theories or hair-brained musings that have little objectivity?

Well, to be honest, we can only tell what's true and/or not once the information gets posted. Until then we're all just the peanut gallery. Assuming that DS is correct when he says that he will be sued on publishing (but I do remember The Escapist nonsense) then, well, a lot of things will be on public record.

Heck, much like my thoughts on Star Citizen - great claims can be made all day, but up to the point that it's in everyone's hands it's nothing.

I will say one thing, though: it's very possible for organizations to be scammy/dishonest while still having plenty of productive employees who are completely innocent, as it's all to do with how the money is handled at the top. Similar situations can happen when management is over it's head aka incompetence.

Anyway, I'm quite interested to see what happens at the com over the weekend.

 

[Asp Explorer]

SC simply cannot be a scam. It's the BDSSE! Just look at what you can do in-game, you can choose any career path you can possibly imagine. You can buy any space ship you like and fly it around a vast, immersive, engaging and realistic 'Verse. You can join an Org and dominate the galaxy with fire and sword. You can entertain guests in your Space Yacht hot-tub. You can win races. You can land on planets and squish alien beings in your little tank. You can pirate, and get double-crossed by pirates. You can fight vicious alien beasts in asteroid fields. You can mix the perfect drink. You can do anything.

And best of all, you never need to wash your underwear!

Buy a Polaris

 

[ianw]

I just hope they hurry up and show some Sq42 stuff.


I just ran all the currently known information through my predict-o-meter and it came back with a % probability of fine nines - that's 99.999% probability of cheesy unintentional comedy.


It needs to be out there asap!

 

[Ian Skippy]

Yeeeeees...? You mean the posts where he refers to the 3.0 demo as manufactured? Which don't imply Star Citizen as a project is a scam?

It would be helpful, if you are specific about the posts you refer and cite them rather then just throw accusations into the round, right briguy168?

The search engine here is atrocious, feel free to crawl through it yourself. Anyway: https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/784080691956973568

 

[ianw]

I imagine the warlord will be along himself at some point to clarify things.

He's promised on Twitter to get back to     posting soon...

 

[Dooguk]

I just hope they hurry up and show some Sq42 stuff.


I just ran all the currently known information through my predict-o-meter and it came back with a % probability of fine nines - that's 99.999% probability of cheesy unintentional comedy.


It needs to be out there asap!

Will there be space helmet flipping again I wonder? I hope so. They seem to like that.

 

[BurnyBurns]

The search engine here is atrocious, feel free to crawl through it yourself. Anyway: https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/784080691956973568

One poster calling fraud then based un unconfirmed and undisclosed sources. Although whether that's Star Citizen as a whole or just the doings surrounding that "alpha 3.0" demo? But apparently everybody here needs to get off the meds and have their head checked, because we're all screaming scam, right?

 

[Stigbob]

Leaked SQ42 trailer

Spoiler

[video=youtube;1arB6k0aZv8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1arB6k0aZv8[/video]

 

[ianw]

Leaked SQ42 trailer

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1arB6k0aZv8

Heh - liking the giant robot thing with      .

And Caroline Munro...

*rubs thighs Vic Reeves style*

 

[Ian Skippy]

One poster calling fraud then based un unconfirmed and undisclosed sources. Although whether that's Star Citizen as a whole or just the doings surrounding that "alpha 3.0" demo? But apparently everybody here needs to get off the meds and have their head checked, because we're all screaming scam, right?

Emn, no, that was Briguy.

Some think its a scam.
Some think its fraud.
Some think its neither.
Briguy thinks we're all clinically insane.

 

[lysan]

The new Star Citizen facial tech...actually NOT, however they will blow anything out there away...

[video=youtube;MMa2oT1wMIs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMa2oT1wMIs[/video]

 

[xyphic]

Assuming that DS is correct when he says that he will be sued on publishing (but I do remember The Escapist nonsense) then, well, a lot of things will be on public record.

Part of me wonders if that's the endgame. Make more and greater accusations, and see how far he can go before CIG do more than just threaten legal action. The further it gets, the more likely that there's something they don't want to be part of public record.

 

[Asp Explorer]

We are all just having a laugh until SC actually releases and wows the entire planet with its infinite fidelity, and as some of its more "enthusiastic" backers promised, it actually blows every other game ever written, published, or even conceived - so completely out of the water that they may as well have never existed.

It's going to redefine gaming. Buy a Polaris!

 

[briguy168]

Excuse me, but where did you get the idea anybody here takes Star Citizen for a scam?

Spoiler

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I remain 100% confident, and in sound mind and body, that this whole thing is on track for a spectacular collapse.

The biggest liability they have now, is the staged GamesCom 3.0 demo, as well as the promised 3.0 build by year end. As to the demo, as I've learned - no less than 11 people was complicit in putting it together with the sole purpose of deceiving backers when in fact they knew that it wasn't indicative of the game state, nor tagged as R&D. And true to form, croberts went off script with the promises.

And what's distressing is that, for the first time, I have clear evidence of how they did it, who is involved, and what their role was in doing it. There's scam, and then there's outright fraud. There is a difference; but that's for the authorities to sort through.

All I know is that for over a year I've been vilified because I dared to speak out and challenge the complacent Status Quo.

And as I said on twitter a few days ago, I'm writing a blog in which I'm going to spotlight every single dev on this project who was complicit in doing this and complicit in what croberts was doing. They've had enough time to come forward, and going to media as anon sources, simply isn't going to cut it anymore. Which is precisely why those who reached out to me in the past 24hrs, have said that they're willing to go on the record. Which btw, I think is a dumb idea and a huge risk. They're certain the project is on the verge of collapse; so my point is, why not just wait. Waiting means that at the end, the NDA and arbitration clauses all go away; even though they have no place in State/Fed investigations.

For the record. All they had to do was apologize for that July 2015 crap they pulled when they lied and issued a press statement to make things worse, issue refunds (which they only started doing due to on-going pressure), release the financials to backers who were already entitled to them, having missing the 18 month window.

I don't care what anyone thinks or says, I'm sticking to my guns. I'm semi-retired, so I've got nothing but time on my hands. And if anyone knows anything about me, it's that I never give up on anything.

Their thing is that *some* of it was, and some of it clearly not - the link dsmart posted to his blog about it is actually pretty succinct and readable (for anyone) and includes a link to a video that does a breakdown of some of the giveaway parts

The clearest moment to me the second I saw it was when they went into the station and the was a gloriously smooth as silk pan across the scenery pausing at the moments of interest as the 'player' glid gracefully in exactly the right direction. People don't move like that, and there aren't fade-cuts to more jerky normal motion moments later - just watch the demo footage yourself for that if you want to see. The cut as they exit onto the landing platforms is the most unsubtle as the actual player is looking at his feet when the cut occurs when the pre-render bit was looking straight forwards.

Because even if it's currently possible in baby-PU, they didn't want to face a shameful bug (instadeath, clipping to oblivion, crash) live.

The perfectly shoddy landing on the surface played down with the planned "let's trigger the 'laugh at citizen' emote" was the least they can afford on stage (and looked like planned to give the illusion the show wasn't staged)

I would have called it Chris scheme because he certainly has mastered it to very high levels (as KS basically started this way).

Best Damned Scam Ever!!! <grin>

It doesn't really matter what Chris Roberts initial intentions were. Please let me use an analogy. It's like he was selling a live pig but found that his pig had died before the customer arrived, so he knowingly stuck the dead pig in a poke to sell it to the unsuspecting customer.

What this whole charade needs is an "Emperors New Clothes" moment at CitizenCon.

Need I continue? I can probably drum up more conspiracies from the other 1327 pages within this thread but I have trip to plan for.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Predicting that a game will be a cutscene FMV-fest with little to no actual gameplay is hardly a conspiracy theory. Happened all the time in the 90's. Whole CD-ROM drives were sacrificed to hours of grainy, scanlined movies where the occasional click on a highlighted object or choice of two dialogue options were considered bleeding-edge

 

[BurnyBurns]

Need I continue?

Yes, I'm afraid. Did anybody of those people you chose to cite claim the whole project is a scam? I'm not seeing it in your quotes, unless you take that one ironic remark as such.

Alternatively, you could specify whether you're just talking about people not buying the "Alpha 3.0" demo to be all glorious unmanufactured gameplay, stop telling everybody to have their heads checked (everybody but yourself being head-ill is too convenient of an excuse) and actually argue why the things from the video that don't match up don't indicate that the demo might have been partially manufactured.

 

[Dooguk]

briguy168. Be honest. Do you believe this will turn out to be the game Chris Roberts promised?