Of course it will happen. Either they will run out of money and release anything they have in a single product as their last act as a company, they will release something earlier, then they will support it until their money runs out, or they will release a full game as advertised. Technically all of those are releases.
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Of course it will happen. Either they will run out of money and release anything they have in a single product as their last act as a company, they will release something earlier, then they will support it until their money runs out, or they will release a full game as advertised. Technically all of those are releases.
Nobody knows. Not the marketing department, not the programmers, not the graphics artists, not the network team, and especially not Genuine Roberts.
I can't wait for that myself, mainly because it will be the same day that Scarlett Johansson turns up at my house with a case of champagne and a family sized tub of nutella.
Dude, TMI.
That actually made me giggle out loud. Be sure to say hi for me. I loved her in Lost in Translation, and of course as Black Widow.
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You never know how far the Nightly Build is. So you wont know for sure before it actually happens.
But as I said. Given what we saw so far. I would estimate middle of 2018 rather than 2017.
Another thing to be said tough. Is that an Single Player Campaign is much easier to deliver than the MMO.
Their Progress in Cinematics and Animation is much much better than their Progress on the Mechanics itself.
As Single Player Campaigns usually Play within Confined Levels and Stages where they have alot more control about things. It is much easier to get this working than have it work in an Vast Open World.
So they might just Surprise us as they might have alot of Missions and other stuff already Ready and thus can Fix Up things for the Limited Options of an Single Player Campaign faster than we might expect.
But well.
We will see.
To begin with I am more interested in the Open World MMO than the SQ42 SP Campaign.
I dont think that was a serious thought or plan. Chris Roberts merely mentioned that the level of detail in his game will be so high that this particular situation will be possible. He didnt state that survival and livingoff the land is part of his integrated gameplay loops but rather "emergent gameplay" due to the high fidelity. This example has simply been blown out of the water until you folks now wonder if this is yet another stretch goal.
I dont like the man and have a rather extreme opinion about SC but that was putting words in his mouth.
This keeps coming up in slightly different wordings. Yet the statement seems to be "shut up and wait patiently until it comes out, stop your hating and give the man a chance" do I translate that about right? Do you care to remember how many second chances Chris Roberts got so far? How many more are you willing to provide even tho the past history shows that there are serious problems regarding competence and reliability?
Btw....what is this "nightly build"?
Anyway....this forum in particular discusses the CURRENT status of the game. Most of the posters here deal in facts and present conditions, not about dreams and rolling in fantasies. As an example.....seamless transition from pupil to space is a feature that many pro-SC backers consider "implemented" and "done". Its ticked off as yet another major breakthrough that no other game has managed and forget that CiG also didnt manage to do it yet. Because the only physical proof we have about seamless transition is the cinebox presentation which was basically a movie with ingame graphics. So far no other "demonstration" has been provided or seen and this feature sure as hell is not in the game at the moment.
edit: correction the homestead demo also features seamless transition BUT relying on after-show analyzes its doubtfull that we actually saw a real seamless transition and there has been suspicions that the whole approach was actually a pre-recorded movie and the switches between actual gameplay and movie were carefully hidden. Technical analyzis certainly shows a great deal of little things that support this claim. Even if we believe Chris Roberts that the shown seamless transition has been a completed feature which was simply taken and used for this demo then theres still the fact that we havent seen any other demonstrations about it nor have access to it in the PU (thats what it was created for). Such a major break-through mechanic never seen before should be shown off at every corner yet I dont think anybody else has shown this feature LIVE at any other point....
Seamless Transitions = hot air and promises...thats (almost) a fact.
And this actually counts for many many features. Future announcements or theorycrafting made by CR himself taken as fact and ingame. Why people suddenly are unable to differentiate between "have" and "have-not" is beyond me.
Sometimes the discussion gets a little overboard but many people here mostly rib SC for its broken promises and theres generally a rather bleak view on the current course of the project. Rightly so IMO. Sitting back and waiting till it releases is a valid course for pretty much everything. BUT Star Citizen still tries to make as much money as possible so if they continue to rake in millions per month then I think open discussion should be happening otherwise we would be true sheep grazing the "grass" having glassed-over eyes and living the dream. A company usually defends itself by delivering results and satisfy expectations. The range of expectations is incredibly large so theres a lot of people happy with the current status while even more people expect far more. Sadly the "result" part is severely lacking (missing). Thats how the public eye perceives an avilable product. Yet we have people going up in arms (not you) attacking nay-sayers, spouting lies and generally behaving very agresssively to a simple "I dont like it". I wonder why that is.....
No doubt about it thats why its rather worrying that we STILL didnt have seen a single snippet of SQ42 even tho according to CR they ve been continously working on it and "all hands" have been on SQ42 for the past 6 months......yet no results. You tell me what that means. SC defenders point to patch notes and mention all these lil steps which are necessary for SQ42. Havent SQ42 been ready 4 months ago? Theres a BIG discrepancy between "ready" and "I need to implement the basics first and I m going to start now". Its as if Chris Roberts suddenly realized people actually EXPECT the stuff he mouthed off in the past and in order to prevent a burning crash he now actually has to deliver!!!! So he starts NOW even tho these things were advertsied as "done" months ago.
Is that yet "another" second chance? Should we look past the lies and obvious deceptions and take his word for it because a proven liar is honest until proven a liar yet again?
Thats funny
The cinematics are basically not part of the game. They were done with different tools (Cinebox not cryengine), not needing ANY of the features and mechanics we discuss and the animation is human-hand painting. Basically every cinebox promotion video we ve seen in the past (that includes all the ship advertisements) is smoke and mirror and simply an illusion. The mistake so many people do is to actually assume that the cinebox MOVIES are ingame footage and CR certainly stated just that in the past. The effort required to produce a cinebox movie is miniscule compared to actually MAKING the stuff it shows ingame. Not trying to belittle the graphgic designers but thats a fact as well.
I m not saying that might not happen or is impossible but I dare to say due to their past history and reluctance to show even the smallest thing about it....the probability that its like you think it is is really really REALLY low.
Indeed and until then we dont see anything as usual.
This is a personal opinion so depending who you ask SQ42 takes priority over the PU and vice versa. SQ 42 was a STRETCH GOAL tho yet currently all work focuses on the single player campaign neglecting the PU. Of course this leads to almost NO results whatsoever and defending posts point to basic mechanic which need to be fixed down and finished before something can be seen. Yet SQ42 was considered and promised as "soon" and a "done deal" and NOW they start to work on critical features SQ42 requires? Thats a bit fishy. Of course you can just throw out another "second chance" because THIS TIME it ll be different
No. Perhaps you could provide the full quote?
I know plenty of people have said that. Some have even provided quotes that seem to suggest that is the case.
To date, where they did provide such news, I've found they've either paraphrased and were providing an edited quote, or engaged in selective quoting.
As far as I can see, Chris Roberts has stated that he has enough money to complete the base game, even if funding stopped. It might require additional funding from S42 and it might require dropping a number of features and reducing the scope...but I have yet to see the quote where he admits to having enough money to complete his vision in full.
Isn't that one of the haters quibbles? That Chris Roberts can never get enough money, because he keeps expanding on what the game is going to be capable of? He has never, to my knowledge, admitted the game is fully funded and all the stretch goals covered. Because that would mean he doesn't need any more fundraising.
It is possible given the amount of stuff he puts out that I have missed something...so I look forward to your correction on this issue.
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People are reporting that he has stated that the game is fully funded.
I have yet to find that and what I have found tells me he has never stated anything of the kind. Every quote on the issue refers to a base game with the extra money allowing for a richer, bigger experience.
I'd like to see the quote where he does say everything is funded.
Except he didn't say that.
Did he?
He said the BASE game was fully funded. Not the complete game.
He has also stated that the commercial release would NOT ship with all the stretch goals.
And that money raised would go into expanding the game, its vision and making it richer and more detailed.
What he has not said - in anything I have found - is that he has the money to do all the stretch goals.
What I see is that he is telling the truth here....he has the money for the baseline game. Extra money will be going to improve upon that....
Which seems to be occurring. Which is all he seems to have stated.
At no point has he come out and said the game is fully funded...which is what you are saying. And how you got that form the quotes I provided eludes me.
You can quibble over what exactly he means by "base game" but that is about all. I would surmise that a base game would exclude many of the stretch goals and extras, especially those that have not been developed. But I don't think anyone can reasonably extend "base game" into meaning the full and complete game with all stretch goals...especially given he is also on record as stating that the game will launch with a number of stretch goals not included.
Funny to see how many stretch goals are/look like already in production when so many core features of the base game are yet to be seen...
That's not really how stretch goals work though. If you buy a car for £10,000 and the garage says "for £11,000 you can have a car with a really nice stereo", you are allowed to be annoyed if you give them £11,000 and get a car with no stereo "but if we sell a few other cars we'll come and fit one later".
People have already paid for the stretch goals. He can't go and spend that money on space doors and say "Well, we'll try to do that later if we have the money" because that really is a steaming pile of organic fertilliser (bordering on fraud).
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Here you go:
"We are constantly asked where the additional money goes. Surely new mocap hardware or a new starship design doesn’t cost a million dollars. The answer is that the stretch goals are an example: one [!] big thing we will be doing with some of the money. Every additional million means that we’re hiring additional artists and programmers, equipping the team with better development tools and increasing the size of the talented outsource groups being trusted with aspects of Star Citizen’s development. It means more actors and time for mocap studios, more reference for designers, greater variety in game characters, more options in clothing and armor and a large array of ship items and weapons. Every dollar improves the project."
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13382-Letter-From-The-Chairman-28-Million
Also if you read other letters from the candyman you will find that it is implied that features listed in stretch goals will be in the game. These are not suggestions, but planned features, or to be more precise, they are some planned features of many that are funded by reaching the stretch goals which means by adding more funding people get even more than the singled out features for respective stretch goals.
I am quite sure stretch goals was made up thing to get more money, without any research can it even be done...then at 65m mark they just run out of ideas...
Actually they gave us a broken mockup of the stereo, the body of the car with doors that fall when opened and an engine with half of the screw missing or half-tightened, and we're still waiting for the steering wheel and the wheels.
I don't think all of them where made up - they really went out and hired PG guys to get planets and it was a stretch goal - but I agree quite number of them are well...questionable.
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