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The Star Citizen Thread v5
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Hehe, yeah! I still think there should be Star Citizen, the musical.
Thanks for your replies guys.
@Derek, thanks for your reply - but your point that anyone with $60 in the game could sue for the financials is what I'm wondering about; Surely there's someone out of all of those who could approach you to 'help' do the suing? Why haven't they? Have they all simply got a refund and be done with it?
I think if I'd put in $60, I'd be knocking on your door for some assistance! $60 would be money well spent for the opportunity to sue for the financials! Obviously, I can see that you've already spent (/invested?) a fair amount of time and money into this... but I reckon you'd go for it if approached and had half a chance :-D
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Here's something that's been kicking around my head re the 'scam' possibility...
CR came up with an idea for a game which people liked. It's challenging, to say the least, but if you look at what NMS, ED and Hellion are doing it's not actually impossible and if done right could be quite good. So, you get the original KS project under way, things start moving and certain people are brought on board. These people don't think he can do it (maybe they saw the Wing Commander movie) but see the potential money involved, and decide to milk it.
They advise CR to build up the hype and get at much money flowing as possible: This is then quietly 'lost' in a financial maze while the appearance of work goes on. CR is kept busy with mocap and ship design, and every so often has a meeting where he is updated about progress of the great work: Just before each major release, he is informed of some terrible 'blocker' - "but don't worry Chris, we've managed to put together a demo you can show the fans. We'll crack it in a few months, I'm sure".
CR hits the stage, the fans go away disappointed but hyped anew, and SC rumbles on for another 6 months.
In other words, SC is a scam but CR doesn't know it. In fact, he's the biggest loser of the lot - you might be down an Idris, but he's lost five years of his life...
I've no proof for any of this, of course, but does anything not fit?
CR came up with an idea for a game which people liked. It's challenging, to say the least, but if you look at what NMS, ED and Hellion are doing it's not actually impossible and if done right could be quite good. So, you get the original KS project under way, things start moving and certain people are brought on board. These people don't think he can do it (maybe they saw the Wing Commander movie) but see the potential money involved, and decide to milk it.
They advise CR to build up the hype and get at much money flowing as possible: This is then quietly 'lost' in a financial maze while the appearance of work goes on. CR is kept busy with mocap and ship design, and every so often has a meeting where he is updated about progress of the great work: Just before each major release, he is informed of some terrible 'blocker' - "but don't worry Chris, we've managed to put together a demo you can show the fans. We'll crack it in a few months, I'm sure".
CR hits the stage, the fans go away disappointed but hyped anew, and SC rumbles on for another 6 months.
In other words, SC is a scam but CR doesn't know it. In fact, he's the biggest loser of the lot - you might be down an Idris, but he's lost five years of his life...
I've no proof for any of this, of course, but does anything not fit?
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http://kotaku.com/games-like-projec..._source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
Some Kickstarters are just fools. They should have researched the Roberts approach, who teached all the steps of how to pretend to make a promissed game project basically forever, while milking even more hopeless backers.
Some Kickstarters are just fools. They should have researched the Roberts approach, who teached all the steps of how to pretend to make a promissed game project basically forever, while milking even more hopeless backers.
The problem is that theory ignores CR own history. SC is following the same pattern that Freelancer did, the only difference is who is fitting the bill. CR tried to make SC before and failed miserably, finally having Microsoft kick him off the project and then they drastically reduce the scope, it still took them 3 more years to finish. 6 years total to release a game that was suppose to only take 3 (sound familiar? Claiming a 3 year development plain seems to be CR thing). During the first 3 years CR just released tech videos of what they were doing, the final product looked nothing like the videos they showed.
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Yes, but IMO that's down to incompetence rather than maleficence: I don't see any real sign he wasn't trying to get the game out...
But I admit that it's quite possible I'm wielding Hanlon's razor a bit generously after a few beers.
Yes. CR is by all accounts incompetent, but he's not harmless, and he's not being led around like a child.
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Yes, but IMO that's down to incompetence rather than maleficence: I don't see any real sign he wasn't trying to get the game out...
But I admit that it's quite possible I'm wielding Hanlon's razor a bit generously after a few beers.
Well, Star Citizen wouldn't be in the mess it's in if it weren't for Roberts. There are other people and other wills here too, but Roberts is the nucleation site and, to mix metaphors a bit, the rotten core.
If he were able to lead CIG well, it wouldn't be in this mess, at least to a first-order approximation. edit: and we know this because Roberts has done all this before, only in those cases there were backup systems, namely Microsoft in the case of Freelancer.
Or well, if backers weren't so gullible that he could do it (and I must include myself in that, since I backed too)
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Oh, no argument here, and there's no practical difference to the end result. It's still on him.
I'm reminded of a Douglas Adams short story, "Young Zaphod Plays It Safe":
I wouldn't worry too much about Chris Roberts. He and his Vice President of Marketing wife will both have received sufficient financial compensation (as shareholders and as employees of the various companies) to overcome the disappointment of not being able to deliver a finished game.
It will not be the Roberts family that suffers if Star Citizen is never released.
Which is something that some of the old timers said quite a bit in the past (far and near)...
This is also sadly true...
This is an excellent fan made video of Star Citizen. Shame it's clipped from CIG's promo material and only about 5% is in game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtFM5Z2Uy00
If I could do this stuff NOW in SC - I might change my mind about this game, but we got to wait years for this kinda stuff.
Still... Kudos to the guy who made it - I enjoyed that
I am not a SC player but you can do most of that stuff in a few months.
While accepting that English might not be your native language, and not a direct bash at you, this is typical phrasing for a SC fan.
Using present tense to talk about future events.
You need to make it conditional and future tense.
"You might be able to do this in a few months"
I mean, you could risk going with "You will be able to do this in a few months"... but going off CIGs track record, that would be a rather bold statement, a risky one.
There's a massive disconnect between what people say star citizen is (CiG and their fans) and the reality. Read up on missed dates broken promises the no refund policy and the current push for a reduced scope MVP before buying in, if you are considering it.
...as much as any other possible explanation I think when it comes to facts and what we know.
Thats what I said before. Bare any courts and being accountable to private recompensations he and his family are already the winners. This under the context that the project will eventually fail with the "finished product" being nothing more then an outdated testbed.
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If it does fail he will pull the same stunt again in 10 years after everybody forgets..only Mrs Roberts will be replaced with the younger model me thinks.
As you obviously know lots about game development, maybe you should apply for one of the many job opportunities at CIG. If you are talking from a player point of view, Citizens play most of this game in their minds, so this cuts down development costs, and adds longevity to the game.
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you know I d like to say the internet doesnt forget but in 10 years its gonna be a new generation of gamers or coming to age enough to invest disposable income so yeah....probably right
Unless they get sued; as I expect that they will be. Also, the benefits part is where "Unjust Enrichment" comes from. Whether they deliver or not, they would have benefited significantly from this project. Where you have well experienced teams struggling to get $500K to build a game, they've had millions and never delivered anything.
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