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North Korea, Venezuela ... These countries are condemned by the international community. With the game of alliances, perhaps we are going towards the third world war ?
That's why...

Belívable / acceptable target but his intentions are solely self serving. Not even his country only him.

It's all about to save his own sorry butt.
 
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895970429734711298

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/14/upshot/if-americans-can-find-north-korea-on-a-map-theyre-more-likely-to-prefer-diplomacy.html

Looks like diplomacy is doomed then. The masses couldn't find their asses in a mirror, let alone North Korea on a map.

Are we really expected to believe that they managed all this so quickly by trial and error?

I'm sure they spent many billions in very finely crafted counterfeit dollars as well.

When exactly has that become a thing again?

When did it ever stop?
 
It is the old; 45 minute wmd thing again. A so called intelligence service, making a claim, to be used as a reason to move the def-com number up a notch.

Seemed so at first, but there are some important differences.

War is NOT what the US wants, this time.*
There are no actual military preparations going on in terms of equipment or troop movements. The allies have been mobilized to Diplomatic efforts, not military ones.

POTUS must surely know about the threat before the WAPO, and his response was to go play golf.

Most of the secondary official responses are to de escalate the rhetoric.

Other than turning POTUS into a visible golf-playing red-faced bombastic bungler who has reduced support from his staff, and getting more people to call for his removal, nothing new has been achieved.

I still suspect that this leak was designed to hurt POTUS.

Edit: * We draw a distinction between what the US wants vs what the POTUS says he wants.
 
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"With other members of the security council, France asks to North Korea to conform immediately to its international obligations and to proceed to the complete, verifiable and irreversible dismantling of its nuclear and ballistic programs".

I believe Macron is a great dreamer !

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Seemed so at first, but there are some important differences.

War is NOT what the US wants, this time. There are no actual military preparations going on in terms of equipment or troop movements. The allies have been mobilized to Diplomatic efforts, not military ones.

POTUS must surely know about the threat before the WAPO, and his response was to go play golf.

Most of the secondary official responses are to de escalate the rhetoric.

Other than turning POTUS into a visible golf-playing red-faced bombastic bungler who has reduced support from his staff, and getting more people to call for his removal, nothing new has been achieved.

I still suspect that this leak was designed to hurt POTUS.
Maybe Pence orchestrated it?
 
Are you sure? Every so often the USofA gives me the impression of wanting to make up for being late to the last two world wars by being the first "in there" for the next. ;)

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I can't be sure. It's an inference from incomplete info. I'm suggesting it because it seems plausible, but mostly because I want to see what the international opinions are.
There are some incisive people here who play Elite. Often, they educate me.


But take a look at this:


It is humiliating for the world’s greatest superpower to disregard its president as a weird old man who wanders in front of microphones spouting off unpredictably and without consequence. But at this point, respect for Trump’s capabilities is a horse that’s already fled the barn. New chief of staff John Kelly has supposedly instilled military-style order and message discipline into the administration, but Trump is unteachable. Minimizing the havoc means getting everybody to pretend Trump isn’t really president.

It's taken from this article: Ignore Our Crazy President, U.S. Government Tells North Korea

Maybe nobody has the complete picture, not even the intel services in the relevant countries.
And I'm just a third-party member of the public.

But the actual result of that leak so far hasn't been for ships and troops and guns to move.
At least not according to my unofficial sources in the US armed forces, who have not been deployed, or in the Press, but it could be secret.
( That would be bad, because it wouldn't be a bluff. The Boomer subs couldn't be seen, so Trump made sure to talk about them before : QED= Bluff)

It's been Public Opinion that's shifted, from a leak made on purpose.
QED = political attack on the POTUS

In any case, I'm turning down my own anxiety over the prospect of war.
So has the US stock market.
 
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It is the old; 45 minute wmd thing again. A so called intelligence service, making a claim, to be used as a reason to move the def-com number up a notch.

Except this time there's nothing to gain.

Trump would get a boost to his approval ratings, as Americans temd to rally behind a wartime president, but attacking North Korea would be like diving into a sewer. They are dirt poor, armed to the teeth, and poised to wreck South Korea as they go down.

Starting this war would be an own goal of epic proportions.
 
A hell of a day for Trump to forget how to tweet.

https://twitter.com/_CraigStanley/status/896349016929206272

What the hell is going on in the USA?

I'm still not entirely sure how Trump is going to kill the most Americans...


blow them up as terrorist retaliations to the Muslim ban

burn them to a crisp and/or drown them with extreme weather

natural causes, that could be treated if they had the money for it

death of a thousand suns because of something Kim Jong-Un said about the size of his hands

or tear the country apart in a bloody civil war
 
or tear the country apart in a bloody civil war

That one doesn't look altogether unlikely right now to be honest. I've just been watching the "protest march" of white supremacists, complete with Swastika flags as well as Confederate flags, chanting Trumps name in Charlottesville, and saw the raw footage of the car going into people. It's quite horrific.

If Trump doesn't actually condemn this specifically the tensions could boil over very quickly.
 
That one doesn't look altogether unlikely right now to be honest. I've just been watching the "protest march" of white supremacists, complete with Swastika flags as well as Confederate flags, chanting Trumps name in Charlottesville, and saw the raw footage of the car going into people. It's quite horrific.

If Trump doesn't actually condemn this specifically the tensions could boil over very quickly.

As per usual, no condemnation of the White Supremacists. No mention of the terrorist attack.
Meanwhile Gorka and Bannon have offices at the White House.

Lovely, isn't it?

Here's what David Duke says:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/896431991821926401?p=v
 
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As per usual, no condemnation of the White Supremacists. No mention of the terrorist attack.
Meanwhile Gorka and Bannon have offices at the White House.

Lovely, isn't it?

Here's what David Duke says:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/896431991821926401?p=v

At least one dead because of this attack.

David Duke is at this point no different than ISIS gloating over a terrorist attack in Europe as far as I'm concerned. What has been unleashed here is unforgivable.
 
Not to worry. I run simulation of hundreds of Tsar Bombas and the world can't be destroyed: Maximum number of casualties is ~ 1 billion even with 100 Megaton devices. Kim jing ugh only has primitive nuclkear devs with just couple of kiltotones and they are not so good in arming their ICBMs. And the chances are that even if they fire they will miss target, or ex[plode on launch, or simply fail. Also the worst case scenario is just some damage on remote pacific island(s) (Guam, polynesia etc..) A few couple of thousand casualties.. 2011 Earthquakes and 2004 Tsunamies killed much more. Go back to your work there is nothing to see here.

Don't forget the nuclear aftermath. The nuclear winter and climate issues will kill many people in areas that were never bombed. And if NK amasses a large enough stock, we could be looking at some major damage to the world's ecosystem. If we lose, the major northern powers, there will be no countries rich enough to help with ensuing famine in the poor countries not worth bombing. This could scale up to something almost as dangerous as the cold war, but with people of questionable sense in power on both sides. And don't forget a third party may see this as a great time to strike as well. This is not good for anyone at all.
 
Don't forget the nuclear aftermath. The nuclear winter and climate issues will kill many people in areas that were never bombed. And if NK amasses a large enough stock, we could be looking at some major damage to the world's ecosystem. If we lose, the major northern powers, there will be no countries rich enough to help with ensuing famine in the poor countries not worth bombing. This could scale up to something almost as dangerous as the cold war, but with people of questionable sense in power on both sides. And don't forget a third party may see this as a great time to strike as well. This is not good for anyone at all.

NK doesn't have anywhere near enough bombs and ways to deliver them to create a nuclear winter.
 
NK doesn't have anywhere near enough bombs and ways to deliver them to create a nuclear winter.
But the US does, and if another country like Russia gets involved... If it stays a hissing match, we are fine, but if someone launches, others may see it as a chance to strike.
 
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