The Thargoids are more violent then us (with proof)
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Yeah i think generaly Drews work isn't been seen as cannon. His books are still good and worth a read tho.
Seeing as there was a sizeable event in game based on Drew’s work, I guess some of it must be canon at least.
partially, but not all. I think the whole "The Club" and "Two Thargoid Races" are not canon for example.
So...we cant really be sure about anything.
Seems like Frontier aren't sure either.
I can't remember a single instance over the last ~10 years where a question like "Is XY still canon?" has been answered.
I guess Elite's lore isn't set in stone over the long run and Frontier want to keep all the options whether to pick up or drop any particular story threads.
I can't remember a single instance over the last ~10 years where a question like "Is XY still canon?" has been answered.
I guess Elite's lore isn't set in stone over the long run and Frontier want to keep all the options whether to pick up or drop any particular story threads.
Ever wondered why it's not in the game? Did Frontier just forgot to add them?
Do you believe that Thargoid spaceship we have destroyed, are piloted by Thargoid species?
Ever wondered why after years of war with Thargoids, not a single picture of Thargoid species exists in the game story?
This is just a speculation, but that is what so strange about Thargoids. Millions of years have past since Guardian records - and yet in such a long long long time, they never learned how to communicate with other species.
And than Thargoids reaction to Guardian tech - they should have overcome and forgotten long long ago about it.
This is not just blunt ignorance, this show signs that they can not evolve or they were never intelligent to beging with. Maybe just organic machines fulfilling their programming millions of years after their creation.
You might be on to something with this.
Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
You are juste grasping at straws after being called out.
EDIT: I'd like to remind that we don't even know if the ships we fight are piloted by Thargoids or if they actually ARE the Thargoids themselves... Maybe you and I have seen many Thargoids bodies
(Unless I missed some story developments, that is entirely possible ^^ )This is pure speculation that ignores everything that happened in-game for the past 5 years, so false speculation. We know for a fact that their ships do evolve for example.
"Organic machine" makes no sense, either everything organic is a machine or nothing is. Is an insect more a machine than a cow or a human?
You have no idea of what actually happened between Guardians and Thargoids (because nobody does) , yet you claim that the Thargoids shouldn't hold any grief towards the Guardians or their tech......... Again, either you have informations that nobody has access to, or you are just spewing random ideas unrelated to the thread.
Stop spreading false informations.
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I think it is relevant, because it shape the fabric of relationship between Goids and Humans, or the lack of it.
It's not that hard to add Goids bodies to the game, so the lack of then could simply be part of the story. And it shapes story in a very different way.
Can you elaborate on how do Thargoids ship evolve?
And ruin the mystery of what Thargoids really look like? Not exactly worth the effort for them.
We know that the ships are piloted because live Thargoids have been captured and experimented on. Where did they come from if not a ship?
As for Thargoid evolution/adaptation...I believe there was a rather significant example of that in the HIP 22460 system recently. They are certainly intelligent, likely moreso than humans given their advanced technology.
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I recently had a discussion elsewhere about the Club, I believe they are still canon for two reasons so I'll just paste them here:
1) For the Club to be explicitly retired, there must be some reason for that. Some new big important plotline that requires the Club to no longer exist as a group. The two main candidates for this would be the NMLA plotline and Salvation.
But in the case of the NMLA, aside from the fact that they're pretty much a textbook Club operation, there are two details that have no reason to exist if the Club don't. There is the connection to the League of Reparation, an Alliance group - that shouldn't happen without the Club. And then there is the detail about the Nine Martyrs attack being unplanned. This neatly avoids the question of why the Club would sabotage the Galactic Summit, impacting Aegis and Sirius. If the Club no longer existed, it'd be preferable to just have the attack planned like all the others, possibly to disrupt superpower cooperation against the NMLA.
Salvation has more potential for requiring a retcon given his use of Black Flight. But the retcon there seems limited to just Black Flight - I don't think there's anything as of yet that requires the Club to no longer exist.
2) If they've retconned the Club, the retcon probably happened in time for this new phase of GalNet at the latest, post-shutdown. If that is the case, it'd be very weird for them to then dig up the Starship One storyline, a Club storyline, and then conclude it with the only and most obvious reference to the Club we've ever had on GalNet.
As for the two races, I don't think we'll ever see Klaxians ingame because of how Elite's development has gone, but I'd say they're still lore. We are yet to see anything that suggests the Klaxians don't exist, or that we're not currently dealing with Oresrians at the least.
I think the story that we played, tells a different scenario - that they simply don't exist. And the lack of bodies supports this version. Cause if there were piloted as you claimed, than the game story would have showed us the bodies, the pictures, the videos, from destroyed or crushed Thargoid ships. But they are not there, they are empty.
If you base evolution on HIP 22460 - that's a very far fetch theory, since no organic, would be abel to respond this fast. Ai - possibly, but than Ai would have also desyphered our language long time ago.
It is a Mystery indded, but as all mystery goes, the longer they exist the more plot holes emerges when the mystery is revealed.
Not necessarily, the base game seems quite averse to showing any corpses at all, probably because of its low PEGI rating. When you kill a human ship for example, you'll see no corpse in the wreckage, and that's with a clearly-visible cockpit. Doesn't mean that they're not piloted, nor do they have access to our magic invisible escape pods (though I think there's a chance they'll drop a normal one on death nowadays? But if that doesn't happen, they should still be in the ship). There's a lot of things the games don't show, just typical gameplay-narrative seperation.
If it's too fast now rather than too slow, then that rather changes things. But either way, we have no idea how long they've been preparing this. They've been around for millions of years, it could be that they've had this countermeasure designed for a while, and just didn't have any reason to use it up until now. Even if they just started after the first firing of Salvation's superweapon in Cornsar, that's nearly a year, which seems well within normal limits for a highly advanced race like the Thargoids, or anyone really given the weapon and its countermeasure both run on handwavium.
I didn't mean the game itself this time, but the game story. Like after few first succesful battles with Thargoids, bodies of Thargoids pilots would have been recovered, and studied by Scientific community as part of the story plot. The fact that after years of War it didn't happend, means only one thing - there are no pilots inside Thargoids ships that we have been fighting.
In that case, they could have just fired first in HIP 22460 if they were prepared. Since they were going to fire it anyway.
The further the story goes the more questions arises. Hope they have a solid story years prepared in advance, and not just comes up with it as they go along. The deeper they dig, the further the fall will be.
There where experiments on Thargoid though, not on their vessels, but on "specimen" that had limbs (since they got torn off) etc. Besides Stack, there was another ground settlement where "something" crawled out of a crashed alien ship. I just don't recall the name of it.
But sure, in general it would be possible that the interceptors are empty - But they still have an actual cockpit with enough room for a humanoidish creature.
^- All of that, is info that's found in game btw.
If it's a reaction on the way we use the weapon, they can't fire it first. They have to wait for us to make the mistake first. We also should not forget that the Thagoid so far have not shown any interest in actually destroying humanity. Everything we've seen in bigger actions was defensive, so it should be highly possible that they simply did not want to make the first step. They did not see us as proper danger, but rather as overly aggressive bipedal aliens.
Sure, as soon as you'll elaborate on how adding Thargoids corpses in the game would somehow answer if the Thargoids are more violent than Humans
Just because you think it is necessary to continue your rants doesn't make it relevant to the topic. We went from "They are violent" to "There is nobody inside" while spreading false informations and speculations, and with the extra feature of mocking other posters as soon as you can... Oh right, not to forgot the "they are MACHINES !" ^^
You used this topic and derailed it entirely, you provoked, lied and trolled. No matter how serious you try to sound now, you made your intentions clear from the very first of your posts.
You are not "discussing", you are trying to shove your ideas, very different.
Here is example scientific paper that studies aggressive behaviers based on genes in animal and humans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4092042/Sure, as soon as you'll elaborate on how adding Thargoids corpses in the game would somehow answer if the Thargoids are more violent than Humans
By studying Thargoids species one can try to determine how agressive are this species and look for alternative ways of dealing with them. It's real science.
But you need dead and live speciments for that. This is why i find it so bizzare that so much lore about Thargoids is just pure guess work, since no one in 2nd War even saw a live or dead Thargoid species.
It's not guess work. It's scientific research you learn about while playing the game. As you got told and shown multiple times in here now. The only person purely guessing is you sadly. While some people on here really tried to help you out with finding common ground.
But since we are running in circles here, lets get back to the actual topic of the thread:
Every 'proof' we have ingame right now from actions, to plans, over history clearly shows that humans are WAY more violent. I mean Salvation alone is responsible for the deaths of way too many innocent people, let alone what the faction leaders caused or allowed to happen. The current happenings in the story should have us all hope that the Thargoid don't decide to actually view us as a threat to them, because then it's looking really grim for the future of humanity.
But since we are running in circles here, lets get back to the actual topic of the thread:
Every 'proof' we have ingame right now from actions, to plans, over history clearly shows that humans are WAY more violent. I mean Salvation alone is responsible for the deaths of way too many innocent people, let alone what the faction leaders caused or allowed to happen. The current happenings in the story should have us all hope that the Thargoid don't decide to actually view us as a threat to them, because then it's looking really grim for the future of humanity.
Audio Logs are not scientific work. Yea, i was told a lot here, but shown nothing at all to back up the claims.
How is Salvation responsible and for whos death? Are you talking about HIP 22460 or something else?