The poll suggests that PVP is top priority! [hotas]
The unavoidable poll: PvP vs PvE!
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The poll suggests that PVP is top priority! [hotas]
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I think it's fair to say that most PvP players avoid these forums as much as possible. The majority here is always going to be PvE.
why?
the forums are linked at the top of the launcher. many of us don't like reddit...
Killing other players is the only form of direct PvP that can only be done through OPEN.
Doing PvE to undermine a player faction is still PVE [woah] - at least in it's raw sense, as you dont actively have to shoot anyone. But I'd be happier labeling it as 'indirect' PVP
You are correct however I believe RhymeRyme was alluding to other games where players compete in other less bloodthirsty ways such as marketeering, crafting and trade. For instance building ships and undercutting everyone else for a fast profit is direct PVP also. Something Elite lacks for now.
No, it suggests that putting 'pvp' in binary opposition to 'pve' seeks to alienate player interaction by making it apart from the game, whereas it is the 'open' mode. Open mode is pvp mode - this doesn't mean it's all about fighting other players, but the two are inseparable. It's like asking, if one had to go, would it be open or solo? Thinly disguised thread to discredit 'open' play yet again.
PvPers didn't do themselves any favours with their reluctance to accept any opinion other than their own, but that situation was really a symptom that stemmed from the utter lack of crime & consequence system.
In my real life I'm a carer for intellectually handicapped adults, and if there's one thing I've learned from them it's that if you fail to provide appropriate consequences for antisocial behaviour you just encourage worse and worse behaviours as people compete to find out how plain nasty they can get before someone pulls them up. That's exactly what's happened here, and just like in real life if a group insists on acting in antisocial ways people will eventually get sick of them and do whatever they need to avoid them.
Add to that the frustration of those who DO want to have PvP not being able to find a fight (either coz everyone went to solo or group, or coz the game was never really set up to support a PvP playstyle) and them leaving to play eve or whatever other PvP game suits their taste and you end up with the situation you see here.
If there'd been sensible tools to both find and manage/control PvP encounters in the first place (as we BEGGED them for) none this would have happened, but the powers that be were adamant that "the community will manage griefing" etc and they did nothing about it.
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Sorry mate, but that's just sophistry.
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Impossible to disagree with you
You'd just get a bunch of armchair PvP warriors in SOLO playing the margin game all day every day. That would annoy me more than anything else. I'd be asking FDEV for space legs so I could exact some 'dagger in the neck' PvP of my own lol.. then i'll be voting for some PVP
Open mode is just Open mode. It's not PVP mode. Saying other wise is as much likely to put people off open as anything else. I play open all the time but hardly see another player and probably 9/10 times the other people in the instance aren't interested in killing me and attempting to kill me is the only way another player is able to relieve their competitive streak at the moment. Open mode and PVP are totally separable.. Jump ten systems away from the starter areas and you can PVE in Open just fine with rare interaction from others and even rarer psychos looking for kicks.
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PvE, obviously.
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how so? I wasnt trying to be obtuse... one of the things Frontier kind of said we were not gettting any time soon were player factions and guilds. I dread the day they come I really do, I personally truly dislike guilds and player factions and find these the biggest downside of say, star citizen - and one of the reasons i will never play EVE again.
I say again, imo there no player factions in ED, and I honestly believe this and do not see why you think i am being some how underhanded. (assuming sophistry means what i think it means).
Now if I am wrong and you have reasons to show me why, I am all ears.
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Of course it's PVP mode...it means you put players in contact, in opposition to, in dialogue with, other players. Yes, you could go off exploring and never see another person, but Open is where humans can meet other humans, friend, shoot them, talk about the weather or ignore them. Your idea of PVP is more like Arena or something, but to call Open mode PVP mode will not put players off - open mode is where you interact with other players. Of course, if you are going to put PVP in opposition to PVE, then you are seeing the fallacy because that separates player interaction from PVE, which doesn't make sense in Open mode.
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Because you're right, but your argument patently ignores the commonly held interpretation of "PvP" as player on player, non-consensual, non-managed, non-arena-based combat.
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His point (I believe) was that being in "open" was not the same as being in an arena like cqc or the old quake/unreal tournament type games where PvP combat was the only thing to do.
right, I am confused now I have no idea now what it is I have said which is wrong - in principle or in practice (it does not take much to confuse me these days) but its 5pm and i am off home.... bizarrely I am not sure we are even in disagreement so on that note i shall see you next time.. fly safe
right, I am confused now I have no idea now what it is I have said which is wrong - in principle or in practice (it does not take much to confuse me these days) but its 5pm and i am off home.... bizarrely I am not sure we are even in disagreement so on that note i shall see you next time.. fly safe
Lol. Take it easy commander.
Problem is, almost all PvP interaction is at knife-point. It does get old, fast, and swings opinion of PvP.
Yes, but interaction with other players doesn't necessarily mean Player Vs Player. Those interactions would be and are mostly for me anyway, PWP - Player With Player. There are several interactions which can take place between players who are instanced with each other, only one of them is PVP.
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PVP means player versus player, most people understand "versus" as against, meaning two players fighting against each other. Since open allows all activities that you can do with other players it's not the PVP mode.