The unavoidable poll: PvP vs PvE!

[Vorxian]

Why pay 100% for a game and not play 100% of it, at one time or another? Plus, why are you worried about your life, your ship and your credits, are of which are easily replaced?

I guess it's because ED isn't unreal tournament. People spend a lot of time playing the game, slowly and the way they like to. No one wishes 3 weeks of gameplay wiped out because someone is in the mood for a turkey shoot.

The galaxy immersion is the biggest selling point to me, not just pointing guns in other players faces. I'm not one to wreck someone elses exploration ship as much as I wouldn't care for mine to be expended at anyones whim.

I too would like to see this question answered

aka why more than 80% of players think PvE is more important?

Think the simplest answer is because 80%+ of people think PvE is more important.

Maybe only 17.68% of people enjoy being the turkey shooters [hotas]

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Why pay 100% for a game and not play 100% of it, at one time or another?

Not really catching your drift, can you expand?

Plus, why are you worried about your life, your ship and your credits, all of which are easily replaced?

I'm worried about data I'm carrying, just because of that reason.

Reserving the right to be badly behaved and use the tools of destruction given to me as I see fit (and Damn the Consequences).

Which isn't contested is it?

 

[Deadspin]

aka why more than 80% of players think PvE is more important?

Think the simplest answer is because 80%+ of people think PvE is more important.

Maybe only 17.68% of people enjoy being the turkey shooters [hotas]

You missed the point entirely.

The person that response (and Marra's since I quoted her) was directed at worded his reply in such a way as to assume that the poll on this thread represented that 80% of the player base of Elite favored PvE over PvP. When in fact, if you go off of the number of copies of the game sold, less than 3% of the player base is represented by this forum. It goes right back to the Mobius volume-of-members argument, where 20,000 members is still barely 1/10th of the assumed active player base.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

aka why more than 80% of players think PvE is more important?

Sidestepping the representation of this forum with regard to playerbase, it differs from your first statement:

If less than 20% of the playerbase cares about PvP

Case in point: Me.

Since PvE needs to provide the backdrop and fill in the time between PvP encounters (for those who enjoy that sort of thing) PvE is more important.
But I do care about a solid PvP game mechanic since it will draw other types of players to the game, and variety is the spice or life. If it doesn't interfere with PvE mechanics why would I not want those who enjoy PvP to enjoy themselves?

 

[frostypaw]

You missed the point entirely.

The person that response (and Marra's since I quoted her) was directed at worded his reply in such a way as to assume that the poll on this thread represented that 80% of the player base of Elite favored PvE over PvP. When in fact, if you go off of the number of copies of the game sold, less than 3% of the player base is represented by this forum. It goes right back to the Mobius volume-of-members argument, where 20,000 members is still barely 1/10th of the assumed active player base.

Governmental polls and surveys that affect the lives of millions are made on the basis of studies with sample sizes of a few thousand. New medicines are tests on only thousands.

You can't invalidate everything by saying the sample is small, until it gets really small. With this forum linked at the top of the launcher everyone uses every time they play the game I think that's rather disingenuous.

I think Mobius and MobiusUSA both have populations don't they? So probably a bit higher than 10% who have not only left open to avoid the kind of PvP many insist upon, but have also ALL found exactly the same group.

You need to add every single Solo+PvE PG+Mobius+MobiusUSA and a multiplication factor for the fact they're hunting down the special group just to get a PvE open experience.

Basic surveying practise. And since none of us know how many are in Solo/PG's other than guesses at Mobius's population this cannot be used to silence discussion

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Governmental polls and surveys that affect the lives of millions are made on the basis of studies with sample sizes of a few thousand. New medicines are tests on only thousands.

Whoa there!

Those surveys you're talking about usually consist of more than 1 yes/no question. Often are not anonymous internet-based surveys, but target certain demographics. Questions are designed to nuance the answers you get from multiple-choice (as opposed to surveys in the media, where they are designed towards getting results that raises people's eyebrows and make them want to read the article)

Medicine tests also include measurements taken from blood samples and the like, next to surveys about their effectiveness.

 

[Mengy]

I hope we see both alien action and added exploration content, just a bit more balance of both. And no orrery maps, takes the fun out of going and seeing the bonkers

Well ideally, what I'd like to see when (if??) the orrery maps get implemented is a change to how the whole scanner honk thing works. I'd like the scanner horn to discover the locations and orbits of all stars and planetoids, heavy mass objects, but NOT tell you what type of planets or stars are in the system. You would actually have to fly to within scanner range to discover the types the objects are. Sure this would make exploration more time consuming but they could also boost the data value to compensate for that. It would certainly make exploring much more interactive than it is now, simply honking and glancing at the system map to see if you found anything worthwhile.

 

[Anopheles]

Not really catching your drift, can you expand?


I'm worried about data I'm carrying, just because of that reason.


Which isn't contested is it?

Everything is possible in this game, trading fighting other people, even mining for the technically insane, so why say "oh, blow that, I'm never going to do pvp".

Also, while I am free to do that, I am constantly told that I am ruining people's day, griefing or not respecting David Braben's vision. It can make you a little defensive from time to time.

Yours, Delighted,

Anopheles
Ruined of People's Fun
Psychopath supra Omni
Little Lord Fauntleroy
The Prince and The Pauper,
Etc, etc,

 

[frostypaw]

Whoa there!

Those surveys you're talking about usually consist of more than 1 yes/no question. Often are not anonymous internet-based surveys, but target certain demographics. Questions are designed to nuance the answers you get from multiple-choice (as opposed to surveys in the media, where they are designed towards getting results that raises people's eyebrows and make them want to read the article)

Medicine tests also include measurements taken from blood samples and the like, next to surveys about their effectiveness.

You're right, but my point was only that saying the survey isn't a huge %age of the population doesn't make it utterly invalid and useless such that the conversation should be shut down.

 

[Mengy]

Everything is possible in this game, trading fighting other people, even mining for the technically insane,

Excuse me good sir, but I honestly enjoy mining in Elite, and I am certainly not technically insane!






I know, because my mother had me tested......

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Everything is possible in this game, trading fighting other people, even mining for the technically insane, so why say "oh, blow that, I'm never going to do pvp".

Because I never enjoyed PvP in any game I played. I've always played PwP. Or PvE.

Also, while I am free to do that, I am constantly told that I am ruining people's day, griefing or not respecting David Braben's vision. It can make you a little defensive from time to time.

And I am constantly told I am cowering scared in Private Groups. Hiding from these brave individuals who dare to venture into Open

Conclusion: Bovine Crap is a stereo concept.

Cheerio

Ziggy Stardust
Player of guitar (left handed)
Cat from Japan
In possesion of god-given ass
Leper messiah
Killed by kids

Excuse me good sir, but I honestly enjoy mining in Elite, and I am certainly not technically insane!

You tell em!

Mengy is clinically insane, it's completely different!

 

[Deadspin]

I get what you're saying, Frosty, but you're still missing the point of why Marra and I asked for him to explain his findings.

 

[Vorxian]

A binary poll is just a binary poll.

It's like asking a small village to vote if they want their annual summer fayre's catering to be sweet or savory food.

It's not a difficult question. If only say 581 people of the few thousand inhabitants actually vote, then clearly it means they're not worried, dont care either way, and forfeit their voice and happy to swing with the consensus.

Ergo, if 82.44% of all those that vote decide that savory is more important, then the caterers can take verbatim that the choice of the village is savory.

Anyone that voted to have a 'sweet' menu may have something catered for them, in small part, but the concentrated efforts of the catering will be on that savory menu.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Excuse me good sir, but I honestly enjoy mining in Elite, and I am certainly not technically insane!

Yay, another one that knows the joy of mining!

Oh crap there're professional accomplices in this thread that are going to judge me ;-;

*Backspace backspace*

 

[frostypaw]

I get what you're saying, Frosty, but you're still missing the point of why Marra and I asked for him to explain his findings.

which was:

The person that response (and Marra's since I quoted her) was directed at worded his reply in such a way as to assume that the poll on this thread represented that 80% of the player base of Elite favored PvE over PvP. When in fact, if you go off of the number of copies of the game sold, less than 3% of the player base is represented by this forum. It goes right back to the Mobius volume-of-members argument, where 20,000 members is still barely 1/10th of the assumed active player base.

Hence all the stuff I just said. You can't dismiss it because it's a relatively small sample compared to the total userbase, not a valid objection - and the numbers in mobius are all the more significant for the effort involved in finding it. But this is a distraction from what felt briefly like progress towards some sort of understanding

 

[Deadspin]

Hence all the stuff I just said. You can't dismiss it because it's a relatively small sample compared to the total userbase, not a valid objection - and the numbers in mobius are all the more significant for the effort involved in finding it. But this is a distraction from what felt briefly like progress towards some sort of understanding

Dude, just put the salt shaker away and move along.

I can dismiss it just as easily as anyone else on this forum can dismiss pvp as a valid and enjoyable element of this game.

 

[Mengy]

Mengy is clinically insane, it's completely different!

Exactly! That's what my doctor said too!!!

Yay, another one that knows the joy of mining!

Yep! Since they added collector and prospecting drones I've found mining to be a much more enjoyable way to level trade rank than simply doing trade runs. Plus the missions are quite lucrative. And I find it fun like a treasure hunt, sending my little robotic minions to do my bidding, flying around beautiful scenic asteroid fields, thwarting the occasional pirate along the way, and now and then pretending to be Han Solo in The Empire Strikes Back flitting my ship in and about the huge deadly space rocks. I don't even mind the things my drones talk about while suiciding themselves against the rocks. I let them talk, it's good for morale and I find their intellectual musings quite fascinating. I don't plot against them. I don't accidentally shoot my drones for amusement, that would be wrong, and cruel....

 

[frostypaw]

Dude, just put the salt shaker away and move along.

I can dismiss it just as easily as anyone else on this forum can dismiss pvp as a valid and enjoyable element of this game.

Virtually no one does.... they just don't like the shoot-em-up flavour that randomly gets applied by certain players. We can either deal with that or tell them their concerns are invalid and stupid and they should shut up

Which is more productive?

 

[Vorxian]

But this is a distraction from what felt briefly like progress towards some sort of understanding

You're right on the money

No matter how you look at it, an 82.4% majority, even in a small % of player base is indicative of a certain demographic of gamers choosing to make ED their home.

It's natural politics that folks will counter argue against polls.

In fact i'm not even sure if FDEV will even second-glance this. It's mostly sheer curiosity that the results are what they are. Personally I thought the margins will be a lot tighter..

If it's on paper it's real

and is it just me or is Rinder trying to do a 'Magnum' pose?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Maybe we should make a poll whether we think internet polls are indicative.

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