The unavoidable poll: PvP vs PvE!
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Ludite link as on phone...
This thread on 12/5 @ 0846 there is a link in Garbarrage's post to the reddit version of this poll
Eta 79% pve. I was very surprised
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Found it. That is rather impressive - open poll too, so fairly likely the PvPers tried to swing it to counter this one
edit> the vote count is actually really low on that one :/ shame
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Nah, I don't agree that free for all PvP can't work in Elite, the game just needs mechanics in place to make it more balanced and not so incredibly punishing to the victims with zero risk for the griefers. Ideally we want everyone playing in open together, it would make for a much more lively and fun galaxy to play in. I'm just afraid that the devs won't ever bother to implement said mechanics, in which case open will continue to lose players to the other more safe & balanced modes.
It's just that Frontier Development tried to grab every group like those who like to play in solitude and those who like to interact with other people but they FAILED big time because the system of the three mods is just flawed, they will continue losing players cause they clearly favor one group(Solo PVE hermits).
I think its time for FD to either make changes or just stop lying to people advertising the game as an MMO because sooner or later players will find the bitter truth about this game, that it is designed completely for PVE-solo/private players.
Well the other option is for people to readjust their ideas on what an MMO is.
Thousands of players fighting against each other seems like a pretty decent definition of an MMO. People just have to understand that the PVP is defined as the PVE movement of trophies and it all makes sense! Direct PVP is fun...but nothing that is really that great in this game...as most PVP players realize now. So, no, the devs do not have to change the way they are making their game....people just have to accept that game for what it is...or move on.
lol, who said "Thousands of players fighting against each other" is the definition of an MMO?, an MMO is a game which bring players together in a social experience in an Open environment where players can interact with each other through many game activities like PVE(Missions and action against NPCs), Playing the Market(in a game with real economy like Eve online), Crafting System(social activity which requires the corroboration of multiple individuals to achieve a goal or help each other), Social interface(Like in game settings to help create groups like Clans/guilds/ Corporations etc..) or even PVP...
All the above doesn't exist in game because the only MMO feature in game which is OPEN doesn't really support any of that right now and FD makes it harder when they don't create Risk/Reward factor in the game but instead they keep moving towards to other direction of supporting single player activity like the upcoming update the engineers which doesn't require group effort what so ever...
Have you even been in OPEN lately? its a dame waste land where you fly hours without seeing any other player or you just meet another player who kills you with out any reason and with out any consequences...
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Hard to understand why you get upset over what happens in a beta test. We are meant to be testing the weapons you know.
I didn't bother voting and I think a lot of people have given up on these forums. Player run polls are usually loaded. You make a good point though, these forums have been used as a platform to promote a hate campaign towards anyone who PvPs and its never been addressed by the moderators. I can only conclude its unofficial Frontier policy. Its been open season from day one against PvPers; with name calling and mudslinging rife, nothing the other way is tolerated. So I wouldn't take these poll results seriously. Its largely an echo chamber for PvE.
Regardless, this is not a pleasant place to discuss the game for anyone who enjoys a bit of PvP and the semi official brow beating and abuse that goes on.
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I must say that the moderators engage in discussions most of the time agreeing with the PVE players or just by pointing that the points made by some players which happens to be PVPers are wrong, FD and ED is the only game i have played where Moderators do more than just moderating the forum...
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First of all - we are allowed opinions, last time I checked. Where we've posted an opinion in a thread we won't usually moderate it
Secondly - we get just as many complaints from the PvE side that we favour PvP peeps as we do from PvP peeps saying we favour PvE.
Thirdly - this is well off-topic.
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Ahh see now I'm not sure if you're building a strawman or just remaining ignorant so you can argue that point. It was clearly stated in my message that he replied to that these were examples of why PvP vs PvE was still an issue 2+ years on. Noone was saying "youc an't do this" or "it shouldn't happen in a beta" rah rah rah... it was illustrative of behaviours of concern and the lack of progress in the area of effective consequence.
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Mods have to walk a narrow line between enforcing the forum rules for BOTH sides of any argument fairly, and being a human being with their own opinions. I could (but won't) name mods who have strong personal views on this subject on BOTH sides of the fence, but the only times I've seen them actually engage in the argument was AFTER they'd stated that they were doing so as a player and not a mod - which then means they won't do any moderating in that thread but will leave it to a compatriot. Remember, FDev doesn't pay them, they're not employed to mediate in our spats, they do it for the love of the game and as such as still allowed to have personal opinions on it. I've actually been a mod on a similar sized website (bikes, not computer games) and trust me I wouldn't do it again - it's a pain in the proverbial rear.
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My main interest is PvE with eventual Coop with a friend. But I`m very surprised about the pool results so far, was pretty sure majority would say PvP, interesting.
They got the game off the ground with a Kickstarter campaign, the biggest of its kind at the time, based in no small part on those three modes which were clearly understood and embraced. (In my experience, people backing Kickstarter campaigns tend to read the small print more than those who click a Buy Now button on Steam based on 30 seconds of shiny-shiny from the marketing department. YMMV).
I'd say they won big time.
Right. Like when they introduced that Wings release, such a perfect fit for Solo PVE hermits.
They got the game off the ground with a Kickstarter campaign, the biggest of its kind at the time, based in no small part on those three modes which were clearly understood and embraced. (In my experience, people backing Kickstarter campaigns tend to read the small print more than those who click a Buy Now button on Steam based on 30 seconds of shiny-shiny from the marketing department. YMMV).
I'd say they won big time.
Right. Like when they introduced that Wings release, such a perfect fit for Solo PVE hermits.
Like many who were invested and keen to see a new Elite game I was really chuffed, and relieved, when the project got its funding but there was a distinct period where it was looking very doubtful and the initial KS from Frontier was extremely weak.. What got the project past the post was folks upping their pledge, as I and many others did - so whilst on paper the project got 1.5 mil or so I wouldn't look back upon it and see it as a highly successful KS. Thats beside the point. Its quite correct three modes were discussed and it was made clear at the time.
I don't think I ever had a problem with that at the time and likely wouldn't have a problem with it now but for the hate filled campaigning and lobbying against Open play and those who participate in PvP whilst in it. This has been going on for years now.
Those who want to make sure they see no PvP really do have options in solo and private group. Yet that hasn't stopped the endless malignment of players in Open. This forum is littered with examples of some very nasty abuse towards anyone who PvPs. Folks might well have eventually responded but this all came from one direction with even Mobius promoting his group by slurring Open, the 'don't spoil my game' mantra. Which negatively and incorrectly catergoried Open as some sort of nightmare experience.
Even now, despite having solo and a private group focused entirely upon PvE all I see is hate towards Open play where anyone who PvPs is slurred and refered to with pejorative terms. This is not tolerated in the other direction.
I don't get it, if folks don't want PvP then don't play in Open, there are two other game modes to choose from. Yet thats never good enough, they are always talking pot shots. Its pretty sad, nasty, hysterical and totally out of proportion to any percieved offence. I suppose some won't be happy until PvP never happens and they have absolutely everything their way, no compromise, nothing.
This in my view is the true essence of this conflict. It comes down to PvE fanatics constantly kicking up a fuss and creating endless dramas.
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They got the game off the ground with a Kickstarter campaign, the biggest of its kind at the time, based in no small part on those three modes which were clearly understood and embraced. (In my experience, people backing Kickstarter campaigns tend to read the small print more than those who click a Buy Now button on Steam based on 30 seconds of shiny-shiny from the marketing department. YMMV).
I'd say they won big time.
Right. Like when they introduced that Wings release, such a perfect fit for Solo PVE hermits.
First- If people buy the game on steam or on the website based on the information presented then they have been false advertised by FD, just saying...
Second- The Wings is a feature which is used across the two modes Private and Open but is heavily used in Private more than Open, i can confirm that from the CG we had in Brestla where people left Open just to focus on the CG which left the PVPers killing NPCs in our space lol...
The features which encourage the player interaction in Open are more than the Wings, the Wings is a must in every single game, hell they have advertised this game as a game where you play with your friends so to say that this feature is a proof that they want more player to player interaction is just false...
Perhaps its time for Frontier to staff the moderation of their forums instead of relying upon volunteers. They have 8 mil in cash after all.. In my view its not possible to moderate and engage in a debate at the same time and remain impartial even if those doing so have the best intentions.
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That would imply that FDev take seriously what we say/do in the forums, and I've seen little evidence of that.