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Wait, I want my own little sandbox to play in? In fact I’m asking if you’re going to build castles in my sandbox not to do them in your own sandbox at home behind your wall and then come plant that castle right in the middle of my castle at the public park. Can you see how I would be offended you would think that it’s ok for you to do that? Can you not see how I would be frustrated I can’t stop you from building that castle and planting it there unless I go get more buckets of sand to dump on top of your sand?

I don’t mind others in other PUBLIC parks being able to impact my sandbox because I can ask my brother to then defend my sandbox on other side of town. I hope that picture was painted better


I like how you ignore everything about the BGS and what all FDev would have to do to separate everything and why they went with one common BGS to zero in on that comment. Yes.. you see those in solo, they know they are playing in the main sand box, people in PGs know they are also playing in the main sand box.. they just don't want to deal with certain people who like to leave droppings in the sand as if it was a cat box playing with them and disrupt them playing in the sand box just because they can. They prefer their sand clean even if someone in another mode is taking sand from their castle to build their own. Now there is a section of the sand box where people can get boisterous and kick over each others castles and such. It is allowed and most have fun. But there are some there, you and others, who don't like it that the other sections exist and want your own little sand box that no one can be in but those who play like you and don't like it that you have to share the sandbox... that that small pile of sand you were going to use for your castle is used by others for theirs as well even...


Clear now?
 
*Headdesk* 90 please... those are not CORE GAME CHANGES.... give it a rest... those are not massive change how the whole game plays type changes... you keep taking the small changes that happen over time and acting like they change the game into a completely different game.

Give it a bloody rest.


And Elite does make changes... and has since it came out.. but NONE of them again are CORE GAME CHANGES... the changes you want made ARE .. and are equivalent to NGE type change to a game.

Hey, do you want to see how out of the Element you guys around here are? There is a whole thread about the fuel rats being UA bombed, And talk about Open Private and Solo.

There is only one guy in there telling someone to find a different game.(Its agony aunt go figure). And 100's of people are agree to make changes rewarding open play.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/8d6jjy/fuel_rats_home_station_ua_bombed/

Its gonna happen whether some of you around here like it or not. Its only a matter of time mouse. Ive tried showing you videos about development, Ive showed you proof of people taking advantage of it when it comes to risk and reward.

Stomping your feet on the ground and slamming your head on the desk is NOT going to deter people from wanting these changes. And it WONT stop balancing either.

This little part of the subforums and the 12 people that continue to fight against it. Is now MINORITY. We flipped the script. Now you guys are the 1%

And its because as people grow and explore ALL OF THIS GAME not just some of it. They see exactly what people have been telling you guys for years.

You dont want to be wrong. But you dont want me to be right, Thats all this is at this point. There is only so much I can show you. But you'll purposefully poo poo it because you dont want the game to change. Thats fine. Im just showing you why its going to.
 
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I like how you ignore everything about the BGS and what all FDev would have to do to separate everything and why they went with one common BGS to zero in on that comment. Yes.. you see those in solo, they know they are playing in the main sand box, people in PGs know they are also playing in the main sand box.. they just don't want to deal with certain people who like to leave droppings in the sand as if it was a cat box playing with them and disrupt them playing in the sand box just because they can. They prefer their sand clean even if someone in another mode is taking sand from their castle to build their own. Now there is a section of the sand box where people can get boisterous and kick over each others castles and such. It is allowed and most have fun. But there are some there, you and others, who don't like it that the other sections exist and want your own little sand box that no one can be in but those who play like you and don't like it that you have to share the sandbox... that that small pile of sand you were going to use for your castle is used by others for theirs as well even...


Clear now?

So your philosophy is that because you don’t like people and the way they behave sometimes you want to build your castle at home in your private sandbox with sand from the public sandbox? You do realize that we all have to learn to deal with conflict and such right? I’m done arguing at this point. Wvery argument made is just another way to say the same thing and for each argument you make also work against you and the same with me to support your desire for all modes. I’m going to bed. All I can hope is that at some point you become active in PP and have to understand the detriment of 5c or the severe impact of BGS activities against your power and your constant effort just to move enough +s more than the other group. At that point then maybe the conversation changes.
 
Hey do you want to see how out of the Element you guy around here are. There is a whole thread about the fuel rats being UA bombed, And talk about Open Private and Solo.

There is only one guy in there telling someone to find a different game.(Its agony aunt go figure). And 100's of people are agree to make changes rewarding open play.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/8d6jjy/fuel_rats_home_station_ua_bombed/

Its gonna happen whether some of you around here like it or not. Its only a matter of time mouse. Ive tried showing you videos about development, Ive showed you proof of people taking advantage of it when it comes to risk and reward.

Stomping your feet on the ground and slamming your head on the desk is NOT going to deter people from wanting these changes. And it WONT stop balancing either.

This little part of the subforums and the 12 people that continue to fight against it. Is now MINORITY. We flipped the script. Now you guys are the 1%

And its because as people grow and explore ALL OF THIS GAME not just some of it. They see exactly what people have been telling you guys for years.

You dont want to be wrong. But you dont want me to be right, Thats all this is at this point. There is only so much I can show you. But you'll purposefully poo poo it because you dont want the game to change. Thats fine. Im just showing you why its going to.

Then I guess I will always oppose you wherever I can. I don’t hate you or your desire to improve your gameplay. But I do disagree with you trying to take away from mine. And I’m certain I’m not alone in that. I know I’m not wrong about what I want out of the game. I just want what I bought, which is what I have right now.
 
Then I guess I will always oppose you wherever I can. I don’t hate you or your desire to improve your gameplay. But I do disagree with you trying to take away from mine. And I’m certain I’m not alone in that. I know I’m not wrong about what I want out of the game. I just want what I bought, which is what I have right now.

No one is taking anything away from you. Didnt you say you were in open anyways?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...ce_and_the_bubble_need_you/dx5l29l/?context=3

You'll have that same option. Please dont contradict yourself here.
 
Hey do you want to see how out of the Element you guy around here are. There is a whole thread about the fuel rats being UA bombed, And talk about Open Private and Solo.

There is only one guy in there telling someone to find a different game.(Its agony aunt go figure). And 100's of people are agree to make changes rewarding open play.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/8d6jjy/fuel_rats_home_station_ua_bombed/

Its gonna happen whether some of you around here like it or not. Its only a matter of time mouse. Ive tried showing you videos about development, Ive showed you proof of people taking advantage of it when it comes to risk and reward.

Stomping your feet on the ground and slamming your head on the desk is NOT going to deter people from wanting these changes.

This little part of the subforums and the 12 people that continue to fight against it. Is now MINORITY. We flipped the script. Now you guys are the 1%

And its because as people grow and explore ALL OF THIS GAME not just some of it. They see exactly what people have been telling you guys for years.

You dont want to be wrong. But you dont want me to be right, Thats all this is at this point. There is only so much I can show you. But you'll purposefully poo poo it because you dont want the game to change. Thats fine. Im just showing you why its going to.

Note the UA bombing was countered almost instantly....so the 1% you claim we are were pretty fast in dealing with the attempt.

and maybe you should post what he actually said as there is context.. I know you hate truth and facts, but oh well.

The first line is the line he is replying to... from this:


[–]luminescent 143 points 10 hours ago
Personally, I find this BGS manipulation stupid beyond belief, because it can only be countered with the same boring methods. Carrying thargoid sensors and meta-alloys should force you into Open, and more importantly, into a single instance. Otherwise, you cannot create an effective blockade.
Which is really too bad, because it would create great emergent game play.




Someone advocating Open only.. so AA replied.




[–]CMDR_Agony_AuntI drive an ice cream van 6 points 7 hours ago
and more importantly, into a single instance.
That's not going to happen with the networking of ED and different platforms anyway.
Not to mention this is pretty much against FD's design goals and if you want blockades and stuff, you will need a different game.






What he said there.. is exactly what he has said here.. but hey.. instead of facts lets try and make him out as saying something else.

I've claimed I was wrong before.... you are putting words in my mouth just as you have been claiming to be the champion, genius, and all other accolades you've given yourself as you think you've done so well. All of it horse crap. You are right.. I will never deter the minority of you that want drastic changes.. that can't handle that they bought the wrong game and want to turn it into something else.

You call us the minority... keep believing that if it makes you feel better.
 
No one is taking anything away from you. Didnt you say you were in open anyways?

https://i.gyazo.com/38f72703e699c83cbf7bc070e296ecc4.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...ce_and_the_bubble_need_you/dx5l29l/?context=3

You'll have that same option. Please dont contradict yourself here.

Good out of context snipe! As I told you at that time, I was running in Open on XBL to prove the platform and instancing limitations to your solution. My illustration of the flaw in your plan doesn’t diminish the reason why I bought the game. But if Open only incentivization is implemented, then yes, there will be people that play in empty instances and impact the BGS and PP with no resistance. As evidenced by my 3 week period of time running my XBL Commander over WiFi. Empty instances at galactic hot spots.

Any bonus to open is equivalent to a deduction in solo. Thus taking away from my gameplay.
 
So your philosophy is that because you don’t like people and the way they behave sometimes you want to build your castle at home in your private sandbox with sand from the public sandbox? You do realize that we all have to learn to deal with conflict and such right? I’m done arguing at this point. Wvery argument made is just another way to say the same thing and for each argument you make also work against you and the same with me to support your desire for all modes. I’m going to bed. All I can hope is that at some point you become active in PP and have to understand the detriment of 5c or the severe impact of BGS activities against your power and your constant effort just to move enough +s more than the other group. At that point then maybe the conversation changes.


My philosophy is that FDev offered a game where people of all types, skills, abilities, and social skills can play the way they want to. And that a few of you have decided that FDev's "play your way" and their mode system is wrong because YOUR way of play in the sandbox has to be the right way to play and since you PVP or open yourself up to PVP that everyone else should have to as well. If not then FDev needs to spend vast amounts of money to appease your self-centered way of play. You made choices... and because of them you are complaining about other people's choices.

And the conversation won't change :) I've seen enough conflict and can deal with it, and just so you know... I am active in PP, I have been on and off for some time when I feel like messing with it. I have seen systems I worked on fall to a different power. I've seen a player faction I support and helped create fall to the wayside because of the actions of others. Yet here I am, Not demanding Fdev stop others I can't see from working the BGS, not whining that the modes are unfair, not demanding people play my way.... You know what I am doing. I am playing the game they gave us and doing what I can.
 
The funny thing to me is that FDev must be doing something right. Because in 3 years, the player base continues to grow across three platforms all while never alluding to any changes in modes. Changes the modes, in any way, has never been more than a “musing” that was quickly squashed. Yet the player base grows. Must be doing something right.
 
Good out of context snipe! As I told you at that time, I was running in Open on XBL to prove the platform and instancing limitations to your solution. My illustration of the flaw in your plan doesn’t diminish the reason why I bought the game. But if Open only incentivization is implemented, then yes, there will be people that play in empty instances and impact the BGS and PP with no resistance. As evidenced by my 3 week period of time running my XBL Commander over WiFi. Empty instances at galactic hot spots.

Any bonus to open is equivalent to a deduction in solo. Thus taking away from my gameplay.

Its not out of context. You said you were using Open. You'll still have that same option when they balance it. No one is taking the game away from you. The content would still exist. You would be able to be stopped by someone like me. Its not rocket science.
 
Its not out of context. You said you were using Open. You'll still have that same option when they balance it. No one is taking the game away from you. The content would still exist. You would be able to be stopped by someone like me. Its not rocket science.

So, it's all good that others might have a choice to follow your example, but that choice is not good enough for you right now? You are loosing nothing now, so there is no reason to alter a thing. You're reasoning in the quote above says so. Thank you for finally accepting the fact that you can chose to log into Solo, and save FD the trouble of messing with what we have. Choice for all.
 
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Wouldn't it be cool if you fly into any black hole in the game and it would throw you out in another universe.
A universe that is Open Only to play in. With harder NPCs and all the systems are Anarchy systems.
And when you want to come back, fly into any black hole there to return.

A pure PvP only universe add on to the game.


Anyway, that's my random thought for the day.
 
Wouldn't it be cool if you fly into any black hole in the game and it would throw you out in another universe.
A universe that is Open Only to play in. With harder NPCs and all the systems are Anarchy systems.
And when you want to come back, fly into any black hole there to return.

A pure PvP only universe add on to the game.


Anyway, that's my random thought for the day.

Hey how was star trek in VR?

you said you were checking it out. I seen a little gameplay. its something I was hoping ED would do with Elite and their ships with multicrew. Minigames for the extra guy to give extra power/buffs instead PIP Cosplay.
 

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Wouldn't it be cool if you fly into any black hole in the game and it would throw you out in another universe.
A universe that is Open Only to play in. With harder NPCs and all the systems are Anarchy systems.
And when you want to come back, fly into any black hole there to return.

A pure PvP only universe add on to the game.


Anyway, that's my random thought for the day.

Carving out a decent sized chunk of the galaxy and populating it with NPC Factions and Powers and any player Factions that would like to exist in that zone, then limiting access to that zone to Open only, could offer all of the existing gameplay with the difference that players not in Open could not affect anything in that zone. One zone per platform could be an additional option.

The game already has permit locked areas. The galaxy is big enough for all play-styles.
 
Carving out a decent sized chunk of the galaxy and populating it with NPC Factions and Powers and any player Factions that would like to exist in that zone, then limiting access to that zone to Open only, could offer all of the existing gameplay with the difference that players not in Open could not affect anything in that zone. One zone per platform could be an additional option.

The game already has permit locked areas. The galaxy is big enough for all play-styles.

I like it. Colonia already exists. Full of player factions.

I'd move there over night. Need engineers though. And a Balanced source of income. I understand thats part of draining someone out/risk and reward. But with the way it is now. Unless there are some mission changes that are more static like Engineers 3.0. Where they can set fixed mission rewards based of your experience and ranking for the job. Then I could see it working.

This way credits are self sustainable in passive but still value at a loss.

As it is right now, getting paid small amounts like 200-400k and some unstackable past 3. You just cant sustain on that income.

But then again, the game really doesnt reward the late game player much outside of credit fountains.

To give you an example. I have 2 billion spent in rebuys. I did'nt get that from "griefing" traders haha. I dont do that. But I do PVP against good PVPers.

We all get the same average, it all matters on what faction you max out. And you dont really get much of a buff the closer to Elite you get. You only make a few 100k more than neutral and novice.

Basically if I go to school to be a doctor. Pay me what a doctor gets. Not what the dude flippin burgers gets.
 
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Carving out a decent sized chunk of the galaxy and populating it with NPC Factions and Powers and any player Factions that would like to exist in that zone, then limiting access to that zone to Open only, could offer all of the existing gameplay with the difference that players not in Open could not affect anything in that zone. One zone per platform could be an additional option.

The game already has permit locked areas. The galaxy is big enough for all play-styles.

If the Galaxy is big enough for all play-styles do we also get a pve-bubble for those who want it? I don't think there should be special treatment for any group and believe all modes should stay equal, no splitting.

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What about other minority interests, I'd like a non-rngineers bubble, others would like a no-PP bubble etc, wheres does it stop? One of the strongest arguments against a pve mode was that it would split the player base, would this not do exactly that with dozens of 'special interest' bubbles splitting the open to fragments.
 
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Its not out of context. You said you were using Open. You'll still have that same option when they balance it. No one is taking the game away from you. The content would still exist. You would be able to be stopped by someone like me. Its not rocket science.

To be clear, you’re saying that I would be able to choose to engage in a mode (open) to affect the BGS the way that I want, even if I don’t enjoy that? The choice would be mine? And I could choose not to and then simply just incur the penalty in solo?

So we trade your perceived imbalance now for a defined imbalance at the detriment of the vast majority of the player base? All be cause you choose not to engage the game the way it was intended? Never going to happen. Your minority opinion may be loud, but the majority opinion speaks with gameplay and money. It’s a fight you lost before you started. Just like Sandro’s musing, it’s a non starter.
 
Carving out a decent sized chunk of the galaxy and populating it with NPC Factions and Powers and any player Factions that would like to exist in that zone, then limiting access to that zone to Open only, could offer all of the existing gameplay with the difference that players not in Open could not affect anything in that zone. One zone per platform could be an additional option.

The game already has permit locked areas. The galaxy is big enough for all play-styles.

I like it. Colonia already exists. Full of player factions.

I'd move there over night. Need engineers though. And a Balanced source of income. I understand thats part of draining someone out/risk and reward. But with the way it is now. Unless there are some mission changes that are more static like Engineers 3.0. Where they can set fixed mission rewards based of your experience and ranking for the job. Then I could see it working.

This way credits are self sustainable in passive but still value at a loss.

As it is right now, getting paid small amounts like 200-400k and some unstackable past 3. You just cant sustain on that income.

But then again, the game really doesnt reward the late game player much outside of credit fountains.

To give you an example. I have 2 billion spent in rebuys. I did'nt get that from "griefing" traders haha. I dont do that. But I do PVP against good PVPers.

We all get the same average, it all matters on what faction you max out. And you dont really get much of a buff the closer to Elite you get. You only make a few 100k more than neutral and novice.

Basically if I go to school to be a doctor. Pay me what a doctor gets. Not what the dude flippin burgers gets.

Still need PVP BGS buckets, a rewrite to the missions system, and the devs desire to do all that!
 
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