Modes These arguments are tedious.

[Mohrgan]

I don't see any indication from FD that they intend to completely change course on the issue of the modes. FD had lengthy discussions with us over the KWS. Does anyone really suppose they will just do a 180 without mentioning it? If they are considering doing so, I would expect an equally lengthy debate over a decision that big, and that divisive.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

GO play WoW on a Vanilla server. Then go play WoW : Legion. The whole game changed friend.

Dont be surprised if it happens to this one sooner or later as well. Its inevitable.

This is a fundamental change that will drive away the majority of the player base, imo. At least the people who bought the game based on how it’s sold today. And the people who vehemently disagreed with incentivizing Open. But that’s why I’m confident the modes will remain as is. Agree to disagree.

 

[Cowboy Bats]

I don't see any indication from FD that they intend to completely change course on the issue of the modes. FD had lengthy discussions with us over the KWS. Does anyone really suppose they will just do a 180 without mentioning it? If they are considering doing so, I would expect an equally lengthy debate over a decision that big, and that divisive.

Exactly. As far as I'm concerned Frontier owes me and every other play a heads up if they're even considering it. It would really rile my feathers if I bought shiny new skins from the store only to have to uninstall the game a week later.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I just dont understand why people would be upset and leave over game balancing.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

I just dont understand why people would be upset and leave over game balancing.

Not balancing. Changing the fundamentals of a game 3 years or 3 hours after buying it is what would upset people.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

FDEV already proved their willingness to do exactly that when they dropped the engineers on us.

The Brits are a stubborn lot. None more so than their software houses.

They won't change for me... and they won't change for you.

If they decide to incentivize open, and we all agree that they must do so eventually, don't forget that you too, can select open mode, and play the game the way it was truly meant to be played. [yesnod][yesnod][yesnod][yesnod][yesnod][yesnod]

I don’t agree. The game, for me, is great just the way I bought it. But I recognize that’s not the case for everyone. That’s why I’m willing to help find a solution that is good for all instead of good for some.

 

[Meiko]

It’s fair because when you bought the game it was nothing but promises essentially, technically the game isn’t a finished product even. We are in year what 5? of a 10 year plan? Soto assume the game will be the same one you signed up for is a bit ridiculous isn’t it? There will and should be changes made during the development of a game before a finished product is reached.

While I can agree that changes happen, what you and others seem to be suggesting is removing the whole underlying mechanic of the game to change it. I mean if a program is written in a C# type environment they dont just decide ya know what C# just isnt edgy enough lets rewrite the whole thing from scratch in Delphi (or Visual Pascal) because it would make 10% [totally made up number ] of the players happy

I purchased the game because it wasn't PVP only. And from what I have seen on the forums so far if you want to do PVP you absolutely have to engineer your ships and that makes the price of admission a significant deterrent to new players.
The apparent lack of consideration towards the way others enjoy playing the game is one of the worst I have ever seen.
Its like a bunch of spoiled brats who only want things their way and are unwilling to try to reach a compromise so everyone gets at least something.
The pvp side of this argument seems to be the most guilty of this although both sides seem to have their bad apples.

I think the OP was looking for ideas where everyone got something its called compromise for those that don't comprehend the idea. But it has derailed into the mess it currently is.

Additions to the game would in my opinion be much better than taking away, which don't kid yourselves locking content to one mode, of actions that are currently in all, is without a doubt removing content.

It seems this has become a my way or the highway thread, and its a shame because some of the ideas might be able to work to everyones advantage.

 

[Mohrgan]

FDEV already proved their willingness to do exactly that when they dropped the engineers on us.

The Brits are a stubborn lot. None more so than their software houses.

They won't change for me... and they won't change for you.

If they decide to incentivize open, and we all agree that they must do so eventually, don't forget that you too, can select open mode, and play the game the way it was truly meant to be played. [yesnod][yesnod][yesnod][yesnod][yesnod][yesnod]

So you suppose those stubborn Brits are more likely to make a 180 change in a direction from a course they have staunchly defended, rather than stubbornly stick to their original vision? Yeah, that makes total sense....

 

[Mouse]

No mouse. Its balance. Remember those videos I showed you. And you said you watched? Especially the ones about choice and funneling content correctly. This is what hes talking about.

But what he and you ask for isn't balance, watch your own videos again. Maybe you will understand... there is balance now, there is CHOICE now... but you ignore it because it isn't the choices you want.

I’m not suggesting taking any content away from anyone here. I simply suggested if you desire to play alone then truly play alone. How can you expect others to be ok with you playing by yourself but impacting our shared universe? Do you not see how that is unfair as well? You clamor for fair play and yet you discredit me because I see your decision to play solo as unfair while impacting BGS and PowerPlay. And once again I pose the question if I have limited myself to one mode have you not as well since you do not want to do these things in open? Do you not see how your argument is then used against in you the same way and we continue to go no where with this?

First sentence you don't want to take any content away from anyone, oh wait... second sentence yes you do. because you and your PF "FEEL" one way doesn't mean Fdev or the community does. If you want to play that way fine by me. You say it yourself.. you have limited yourself to one mode and you are here preaching that because you have done so it is unfair that others have not and things need to change. Not to mention the insults you've thrown around.

But if you want to hamstring the other modes because you don't like them then Open has to give something up as well... so what will it be?

 

[Mouse]

GO play WoW on a Vanilla server. Then go play WoW : Legion. The whole game changed friend.

Dont be surprised if it happens to this one sooner or later as well. Its inevitable.

I can play Wow vanilla and Wow legend, have played both, and see a game that has change some but is still the same core game. Even played during cataclysm.

What you want to do is SWG vs SWG:NGE.... a complete and utter change to the CORE of the game that leaves everyone with a different game. What was the result of that game... it is dead

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I can play Wow vanilla and Wow legend, have played both, and see a game that has change some but is still the same core game. Even played during cataclysm.

What you want to do is SWG vs SWG:NGE.... a complete and utter change to the CORE of the game that leaves everyone with a different game. What was the result of that game... it is dead

No man, WoW changed big time. And its about to do it again.

Except in some miraculous way. They are using the Exact thing I have been saying here on these forums about risk and reward. Bonuses for taking part. Separation between PVE and PVP players and what they are able to influence.

Hell now they are even testing a MOBA Layout to go into the game as well. B4A is really impressing me.

They have done stuff that is common sense in a sandbox environment. Which is what they are turning B4A into.

And they reward the PVPer more than the PVEer for the greater risks vs reward. Its really awesome and not hard to figure out.

Elite can achieve this too. They just need to do it.

 

[Curvemn17]

But what he and you ask for isn't balance, watch your own videos again. Maybe you will understand... there is balance now, there is CHOICE now... but you ignore it because it isn't the choices you want.



First sentence you don't want to take any content away from anyone, oh wait... second sentence yes you do. because you and your PF "FEEL" one way doesn't mean Fdev or the community does. If you want to play that way fine by me. You say it yourself.. you have limited yourself to one mode and you are here preaching that because you have done so it is unfair that others have not and things need to change. Not to mention the insults you've thrown around.

But if you want to hamstring the other modes because you don't like them then Open has to give something up as well... so what will it be?

And yet my insults have almost entirely been in response to others, but that’s neither here nor there. I’m not entirely concerned if I’ve offended you or anyone as I’m sure that no one here is equally concerned if I’ve been offended. I still fail to see where I’ve asked other modes to be hamstrung or take content away. I propose you get your own BGS to impact. Heck you can have a BGS only impacted by solo players so you still get to impact a BGS along with others but from your solo option. Same with pg then. More simply I would prefer that starting a pg creates a BGS once for that universe and the same for your solo when you launch. I’ve not limited myself to one mode, I’m forced to board hop like anyone else. However I fail to see the benefit to playing the BGS or pp in solo with my feelings on the modes. I also fail to see how that limits my playstyle, in reality doesn’t playing in solo only hinder your play further because it lacks that element of unpredictability that open brings? By suggesting I’ve limited myself I was using words already put in play by others. It’s humorous to me that suggesting open have a separate BGS is considered unfair to you while I feel it’s unfair that you participate in those elements in solo.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

FDEV already proved their willingness to do exactly that when they dropped the engineers on us.

The Brits are a stubborn lot. None more so than their software houses.

They won't change for me... and they won't change for you.

If they decide to incentivize open, and we all agree that they must do so eventually, don't forget that you too, can select open mode, and play the game the way it was truly meant to be played. [yesnod][yesnod][yesnod][yesnod][yesnod][yesnod]

I do agree. No one is getting the game taken away from them. Its the same game. Pick the level of risk and reward. Right now its pick the level of risk and same reward. And thats not fair for anyone.

 

[Mouse]

And yet my insults have almost entirely been in response to others, but that’s neither here nor there. I’m not entirely concerned if I’ve offended you or anyone as I’m sure that no one here is equally concerned if I’ve been offended. I still fail to see where I’ve asked other modes to be hamstrung or take content away. I propose you get your own BGS to impact. Heck you can have a BGS only impacted by solo players so you still get to impact a BGS along with others but from your solo option. Same with pg then. More simply I would prefer that starting a pg creates a BGS once for that universe and the same for your solo when you launch. I’ve not limited myself to one mode, I’m forced to board hop like anyone else. However I fail to see the benefit to playing the BGS or pp in solo with my feelings on the modes. I also fail to see how that limits my playstyle, in reality doesn’t playing in solo only hinder your play further because it lacks that element of unpredictability that open brings? By suggesting I’ve limited myself I was using words already put in play by others. It’s humorous to me that suggesting open have a separate BGS is considered unfair to you while I feel it’s unfair that you participate in those elements in solo.

I am sure you are willing to pay FDev for all the servers they will need for all the new BGSs and for the people to writes more stories as all the different BGS's are not going to have the same things happen. Because I am not sure if you are aware of this but the playerbase has an effect on what happens in the story of Elite Dangerous. No... you just want to play in your own little sand box and are upset that you have to share it with others. I do find it interesting again that you are so vehemently against sharing the BGS with Solo or PGs and consider it unfair, but not with other platforms with which you cannot interact with either as long as that platform is Open... that is rather interesting and speaks volumes. And forced to board hop? Nope.. that again is your choice... never have done it never will, but again that is my choice and I know I won't make money as fast as others.

No man, WoW changed big time. And its about to do it again.

Except in some miraculous way. They are using the Exact thing I have been saying here on these forums about risk and reward. Bonuses for taking part. Separation between PVE and PVP players and what they are able to influence.

Hell now they are even testing a MOBA Layout to go into the game as well. B4A is really impressing me.

They have done stuff that is common sense in a sandbox environment. Which is what they are turning B4A into.

And they reward the PVPer more than the PVEer for the greater risks vs reward. Its really awesome and not hard to figure out.

Elite can achieve this too. They just need to do it.

I love it when you tell me something has changed "big time" yet I was JUST in the game you mentioned and can still see how it is still the same game it was before. Yes it has evolved some.. some new classes, races, and such. But the CORE game is pretty much the same which is what you want to change in ED.. but try to con people in to thinking it won't effect much.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

I do agree. No one is getting the game taken away from them. Its the same game. Pick the level of risk and reward. Right now its pick the level of risk and same reward. And thats not fair for anyone.

For me, incentivizing Open (perceived high risk) is equivalent to deincentivising solo (perceived low risk). That indeed takes progression away from me and my chosen faction as my actions are worth less. The game would change dramatically.

Right now, it’s choose level of interaction and have equal access to progression. Or instead, choose level of interaction and stifle progression behind forced direct PvP. And that’s not fair to someone who just bought the game.

 

[Curvemn17]

I am sure you are willing to pay FDev for all the servers they will need for all the new BGSs and for the people to writes more stories as all the different BGS's are not going to have the same things happen. Because I am not sure if you are aware of this but the playerbase has an effect on what happens in the story of Elite Dangerous. No... you just want to play in your own little sand box and are upset that you have to share it with others. I do find it interesting again that you are so vehemently against sharing the BGS with Solo or PGs and consider it unfair, but not with other platforms with which you cannot interact with either as long as that platform is Open... that is rather interesting and speaks volumes. And forced to board hop? Nope.. that again is your choice... never have done it never will, but again that is my choice and I know I won't make money as fast as others.




I love it when you tell me something has changed "big time" yet I was JUST in the game you mentioned and can still see how it is still the same game it was before. Yes it has evolved some.. some new classes, races, and such. But the CORE game is pretty much the same which is what you want to change in ED.. but try to con people in to thinking it won't effect much.

Wait, I want my own little sandbox to play in? In fact I’m asking if you’re going to build castles in my sandbox not to do them in your own sandbox at home behind your wall and then come plant that castle right in the middle of my castle at the public park. Can you see how I would be offended you would think that it’s ok for you to do that? Can you not see how I would be frustrated I can’t stop you from building that castle and planting it there unless I go get more buckets of sand to dump on top of your sand?

I don’t mind others in other PUBLIC parks being able to impact my sandbox because I can ask my brother to then defend my sandbox on other side of town. I hope that picture was painted better

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I am sure you are willing to pay FDev for all the servers they will need for all the new BGSs and for the people to writes more stories as all the different BGS's are not going to have the same things happen. Because I am not sure if you are aware of this but the playerbase has an effect on what happens in the story of Elite Dangerous. No... you just want to play in your own little sand box and are upset that you have to share it with others. I do find it interesting again that you are so vehemently against sharing the BGS with Solo or PGs and consider it unfair, but not with other platforms with which you cannot interact with either as long as that platform is Open... that is rather interesting and speaks volumes. And forced to board hop? Nope.. that again is your choice... never have done it never will, but again that is my choice and I know I won't make money as fast as others.




I love it when you tell me something has changed "big time" yet I was JUST in the game you mentioned and can still see how it is still the same game it was before. Yes it has evolved some.. some new classes, races, and such. But the CORE game is pretty much the same which is what you want to change in ED.. but try to con people in to thinking it won't effect much.

All the missions, rewards, zones everything has been reworked mouse. I can be a level 90 and quest in outlands and get the same XP gain. Were hitting for 10million instead of 500.

What you love is trying to show you're right. But everything has changed over time from what it once was. You dont have to travel to dungeons anymore. You dont have to grind for Resilience gear.

Sorry man you havnt a clue. Youre just trying to argue for the sake of being right.

Its very clear the game is no where close to the same it once was. And its changing even more the next expansion. Their whole mission giving system is changing mouse.

Elite can make changes with expansions too.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

For me, incentivizing Open (perceived high risk) is equivalent to deincentivising solo (perceived low risk). That indeed takes progression away from me and my chosen faction as my actions are worth less. The game would change dramatically.

Right now, it’s choose level of interaction and have equal access to progression. Or instead, choose level of interaction and stifle progression behind forced direct PvP. And that’s not fair to someone who just bought the game.

Good, Solo needs to be deincentivised. this is the whole issue here. Solo should not effect the multiplayer part of the game. Especially if you are removing yourself from open just to effect everyone else. Knowing I could be there to stop you.

Its not that youd be punished in any way as a solo player. Your personal Faction Rep and even your credit making would remain the same. The levels of effecting another player base system/Infleunce wise would be what changes here.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Good, Solo needs to be deincentivised. this is the whole issue here. Solo should not effect the multiplayer part of the game. Especially if you are removing yourself from open just to effect everyone else. Knowing I could be there to stop you.

Its not that youd be punished in any way as a solo player. Your personal Faction Rep and even your credit making would remain the same. The levels of effecting another player base system/Infleunce wise would be what changes here.

What if my supported faction is in the same system as your supported faction?

 

[Mouse]

All the missions, rewards, zones everything has been reworked mouse. I can be a level 90 and quest in outlands and get the same XP gain. Were hitting for 10million instead of 500.

What you love is trying to show you're right. But everything has changed over time from what it once was. You dont have to travel to dungeons anymore. You dont have to grind for Resilience gear.

Sorry man you havnt a clue. Youre just trying to argue for the sake of being right.

Its very clear the game is no where close to the same it once was. And its changing even more the next expansion. Their whole mission giving system is changing mouse.

Elite can make changes with expansions too.

*Headdesk* 90 please... those are not CORE GAME CHANGES.... give it a rest... those are not massive change how the whole game plays type changes... you keep taking the small changes that happen over time and acting like they change the game into a completely different game.

Give it a bloody rest.


And Elite does make changes... and has since it came out.. but NONE of them again are CORE GAME CHANGES... the changes you want made ARE .. and are equivalent to NGE type change to a game.